just a few points i would like to address directly to Persian.
First point... When I got online (after work on the 15th) it was 4 pm my local time (approx), so the fact it was 1 am where your steward is, is irrelevant, he was showing online for over 2.5 hours on my end from the 15th when I got home, and right up until the time you logged in accepting the CF... I know that sounds wrong because of course his time zone is very relevant, just as what else is relevant is I had no idea what timezone he was in and my only information available was he was online and not communicating...
No you did not wave... you initiated hostilities to which we retalled and then later you began what looked like the start of an abduction run, to which I responded with the first message, we accept that you guys continued to hit until we sent the cf, that was not the issue that caused the double quad raze... we accepted the likelhood of being waved or at least continued hits from your side as a result of choosing to let our tm's off the chain a bit to stop them going stir crazy between wars... That was not the issue again i reiterate, the issue was your steward showing as online for 2.5 - 3 hours... I have had this situation before where the bigger kingdom decides to not respond to mails but simply continue to wave until they feel they cannot get any more from it then hit the accept button...
The double quad razes were a result of the hits your kingdom did after the CF was sent, and the perception from my side of the fence that your steward was just ignoring things... I had no idea he was not online, how could I know he was still asleep when he is showing as online? And yes I threatened continued razes and sending a dragon on you (probably when you would be at war with another kingdom) if you had not accepted the cf within the next 3 hours for a total of 5 hours of an open CF proposal... And yes the clock was ticking down on starting that dragon...
The time taken from when i first messaged you and then our side sending your kingdom the CF proposal and all that happened in between that time was never the issue from my perspective. it's what transpired (both actual and perceived) afterwards that I take issue with...
Quad raze a chained province that quad abducted hell yeah! Threaten a follow up 10 minutes later if the ONLINE showing steward does not accept the CF? you better believe it...
But if you like here is the timeframe from our side with first hit being from Murse in the 4th, which we double retal abducted i'll just post the summary for your kingdoms hits
** Kingdom news report **
For the time from July 4 of YR4 till January 17 of YR5 - 38 hours - initial hit 4th, then the start of an abduction run on the 13th
** The kingdom of **
Total land exchanged: -69 (23/13)
- Lord High Admiral (2/0)
- Professional Snuggler (1/0)
- Professional Poker Player (1/0)
- Chief of Unicorn Division (1/0)
- An unknown province (2/0)
-33 RubAndTugHandMasseuse (4/1)
-38 Murse (4/4)
-51 Drunk with a gun (2/2)
-132 Loli Streamer (6/6)
The reason for the withdrawal and repost of the cf (in the same tick actually within minutes of each other) was a duration thing, the initial timeframe would have ended in 20 hours or so, i resubmitted it with max duration...
I have no problems with you guys... but after your message telling me i was an asshole for double quad razing, i thought hmmm perhaps I am being an asshole and so come here seeking other peoples opinions on the matter... We stand up for ourselves, we have had to stand on our own a lot to be honest... going through from the lower tiers to upper mid can be a painful experience at times... But i want you to know the razes were intended to inflict reasonable damage on provinces that would quickly recover from them or we would have targeted razes on high gains provinces instead of your already chained guys who lost the least amount per raze...
