could you share it with us Elit how you pull this one with cow disadvantage,aside from undead/tact, what else? obviously the undeads but, Do AMA's elves have greater impact or those human during the war?. what role of your elves?
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could you share it with us Elit how you pull this one with cow disadvantage,aside from undead/tact, what else? obviously the undeads but, Do AMA's elves have greater impact or those human during the war?. what role of your elves?
He has me - that Elit's secret!
Have you realized that we almost never get declared :).
If you have a good KD anything is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathcliff
I've seen you don't, unless you are very on top, give button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
Also seen you set traps, in that econ or t/m provs are set up so that if you leave them, they can op and bottom feed with the attackers top feed. And if you hit them they op hard to open big top feeds and econ runs away. :)
But, I'm a nub, so obvious stuff.. :)
Makeo sounds a little stalkerish.
I also disapprove of his use of the word conflate. I admittedly had to look it up... and when I have to look up a word, I expect the usage and context not to piss me off. Saying that I am (or we are) somehow mistaken for not being able to separate this ages pew from last is just misguided nonsense. Every KD that carries forward it's name and core players also carries the history and grudges... and if the point is simply that the leadership change makes it a lesser, and thus different beast... well same deal. All named KD's are essentially a conflation of their past and current ages, at least as far as diplomacy and expectations go. It is known.
Perhaps he just misspoke.
Not sure if this qualifies as suggesting better ways, or talking smack. Please advise.
*yawn*
I'm just spamming/chatting in forum while doing war.
Not at all "Stalkerish" as frankly, I have no idea who you are, and have never seen a post from you worth a damn. :)
Don't give a **** really.
And, to be honest, I was not aware conflate was a difficult word.
Based on your attempt at an argument, I guess it is. :(
To put in terms you may...possibly... grasp.
Pew are now under different leaders. Understand?
They're likely to act different? Clear?
They've clearly tried to approach things differently. Obvious?
If you think that what happened previously, when they are making an effort to improve, is to be the central thrust because " well they did this **** last age, and they are obviously ****-players and all actions and reps go forward", well then you conflating things.
And that's logically retarded. :p
Let me know if, rather than attempting to be a patronising prick, you actually wanna discuss. :p
Cuz your little jibes just make think you're not worth talking to.
As I said, this conflation you speak of is natural and applies to all 'named' KD's. Adjective?Quote:
Originally Posted by makeo
Also, why in the name of non-retarded logic would the 'stalkerish' comment I made refer to you stalking me?
Ok, ZodZilla. I think I've been quite clear, and you've been a patronising prick, so no point talking more is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by ZodZilla
If you can't see how you've conflated issues and wanna do the whole "makeo is a stalker", " If I have to look up context, I expect better", "What's the adjective", "Pew should feel shame about playing near top this age when they ain't great cuz they ****played in the past" ( all quotes my paraphrases) then frankly, you're a waste of my time.
So, as I also think you're unlikely to ever teach me anything worth knowing, I'm just gonna s****** at whatever reply you give and not bother.
And hurr durr.... I guess your edit of "who said you were stalking me" when your the only twat replying really makes sense. :p
Bleh.... I wonder if you hit as slow as it'll take to respond to be honest.
Could actually probably get to page 80 at this rate.
I mean it's 0.91 hours to my army is home. So if you actually are going to say anything of value. I can always try to make a little time.
Nope.... boring the tits off me now.
Can't spam. Can't understand basic English. Can't argue/debate unless you're insulting. :p
And even that moves at glacial speed.
Jeez. Is that hard to even try to keep up?
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Originally Posted by makeo
Do not insult other users. 24 hour ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by makeo
Here you are wrong because pew did not try to play differently, they played same way as in past:Quote:
Originally Posted by makeo
1. Pewpew rob gold from ama in eow cf which is a big no no
2. Pewpew ****play ama by try to claim them and tell them they cant fight other kd without making any hits, all they did was start this thread and dragon project. None of this is hostile. If this was any other kd ama could have waved someone else as we were ready to fight after eow but had to wait an additional 3 days...if we hit another kd pew would have doubled.
3. Pew allied rage and pyro and openly anti-ama/bb alliance. Logs were leaked from alliance discussion where pew or rage consider waving ama into hostile with simians.
Main mistake is to keep grudge with a kd better than yours because you lose long term over and over and its bad for morale. This is especially important as "new" kd with weaker leaders. Pew should have said we have new leaders lets start relations over and play neutral, instead they join alliance and ****play/powerplay ama this age but still get farmed.
This is same mistake bio made when they tried to make grudge with much better kd, Rage. Bio did 2v1 to rage two times in different ages and end up farmed after, when bio did last 2v1 after robbing gc from ally they was farmed to 50% rage nw and quasi disbanded and never rose in charts again. Its good lesson to not keep grudge with someone who will beat you all the time because no one wants spend entire age playing just to lose.
Pew made no attempt to act differently and are same kd afaik, there was no apology for robbing gc in eow cf or fake hostile claim.
I'm just going to laugh at an AMA player making a comment about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
AMA thinks waving into a eowcf is perfectly fine but apparently stealing gold is horrible.. okey.Quote:
1. Pewpew rob gold from ama in eow cf which is a big no no
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2. Pewpew ****play ama by try to claim them and tell them they cant fight other kd without making any hits, all they did was start this thread and dragon project. None of this is hostile. If this was any other kd ama could have waved someone else as we were ready to fight after eow but had to wait an additional 3 days...if we hit another kd pew would have doubled.
We were ready but we have to wait 3 more days, logic? :(
AMA did wave into what, 2 of Pewpews wars previous ages even though they were supose to be allies.Quote:
3. Pew allied rage and pyro and openly anti-ama/bb alliance. Logs were leaked from alliance discussion where pew or rage consider waving ama into hostile with simians.
Do you listen to yourself? Rage has not "****played" AMA, I hope you are joking? AMA has on other hand ****played Rage like 3-4 Ages running now. But guess now pull your usual "John Kerry". Also hilarious when you call Pyro/Rage "anti-AMA/BB", when we they are the two KD's who like AMA/BB the most LOL we just think you guys powerplay people and do lame BS. Rage has never been a "sworn" enemy of AMA, well besides when you were here and created the whole beef with your back and forth ****talk with Elit. I really cant believe how two-faced you are. We have in spite of what AMA/BB has done in past attempted to approach AMA/BB fairly. Some private comments in a channel have no bearing on action taken, you are basically trying to accuse people of "thought" crimes and just reaching. Please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
It would also be nice if you would post something without repeating something you have said in the previous 900+ posts.
1. People can steal or hit into EOWCF unless there is a deal in place, to say otherwise is just n00b and crazy.
2. Starting a forum thread and "claiming" you as you call it is not lame, Elit does it himself, would you like me to quote him and show you an example? There is nothing wrong starting threads, calling people out, etc. Seriously?
3. Your KD along with others interfered into a 1 vs 1 involving one of our members, what did you think would happen? We actually acted fairly and clean, we didnt GB anyone although we had full right to GB whoever got involved. Stop trying to create boogeymen, the only thing we "hate" is the prideful and disrespectful manner in which your KD treats everyone then QQ when it is on receiving end. I still cant believe like last Age when you started off giving congratz on pump, then your KD makes up some BS to be lame per usual.
The thing is if you consider yourself the "best" KD on the server you only do yourself injustice playing in ways which allow the exact problems you complain about to exist and also have no problem with it seems when it benefits you. Basically no matter what someone does you will put them down and talk ****. Pew Pew warred you clean and your still in here showing you have no class or tact. Really, get real.
Korp you might be more of a noob than I originally had thought.Quote:
AMA thinks waving into a eowcf is perfectly fine but apparently stealing gold is horrible.. okey.
EOWCF= End Of War Ceasefire. AMA has NEVER hit into an EOWCF EVER. (while I have been here)
Just thought I would educate you on some basic utopia concepts. You may now proceed ranting but try to keep with truths. In the future log on to #tactics if you are unsure of the meaning of utopia terms, and someone there will gladly help you.
Yes korp is mistaken. AMA never hit/Rob in EOWCF. Its simple lame...
WAR is over and don't know why you all keep post there. Mods can close topic and ppl move on.
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Originally Posted by Elit
But you did, you hit into SWEAs eowcf. So either you two are smoking something or you two really have ****ty memories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Pete
for there to be an eowCF there has to be a war, that was a fake war that was actioned and ended by support and your opponents never actually touched you in war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
gg taking part in massive friendly farm out.
1. Interfering with EOW cf under any circumstance is perceived lame by the community. Obviously anyone "can" do anything they want including 2v1, farmear, dealbreak, etc. but its unamious that its not ok to interfere with eow cf same way its not ok to 2v1 someone. If you think its ok then are you ok with whatever kingdom you play to be robbed into eow cf as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion
2. Elit never "claimed " someone with a thread in the form where it implied "You cant hit anyone else or we will hit you anyways. Pewpew acted as if we were HOSTILE with them just because they made a thread/started dragon project yet there were no hostilities and AMA could have waved any kingdom they chosen to when they came out of EOW ready rather than waiting 4 days for pewpew to be ready because they messed up pump...only reason AMA did not because they did not want to get 2v1ed unprovoked.
3. How did we interfere with a 1v1 of "one of your members.:" Simians waved Pyro who was waving Legacy. Pyro was hitting Legacy and ignored Simians, we hit Simians as they were ignored by Pyro and hit into an active hostile. Hitting in Simians in no way interferes with Pyro. Furthermore, there was proof here how simians logs/channel/bot was leaked by overmitt which your ally exploited to begin hitting simias *AFTER* AMA has already hit simians. You were planning having either rage or pewpew wave AMA into *ACTIVE* hostile with Simians even though Simians had hit 120 pts on meter. Active retal war vs kd when meter is at 150-125 is not same as waving a kingdom who doubled someone and got no retals back.
You did do a good pump last age and would have won a min-time war and gained ~30k + WW under *normal circumstances* when your opponent acts rationally. Pewpew did not act rationally, they chose to farm out to you to interfere charts and try to make you big enough to beat AMA. There were logs from their monarch petrified confirming this and pasted in forums, perhaps use search function and find them. When soemone is farming out to you and you do nothing about it, you are a PARTICIPANT. Its unfair to anyone who plays the game fairly. If pewpew did TMs back for land and WD min-time as a normal kingdom would when losing you would never end #2 NW, you would end #4-5 land and #3-5 NW.
4. Yes I claim AMA is the best kingdom on the server because AMA was the #1 crown contender the past 3-4 ages since coming back to the game.
Age 57 AMA farmed Sanc & got free land from Rage and was pretty much #1 until Havoc doubled them with Sanc. Age 58 AMA was #1 majority of time time and would gangbanged by 3 kingdoms and pewpew deliberately farmed out to SWEA and was suspended for it by admins. Age 59 AMA won NW crown and was #1 land majority of age after which Jerks got shady war with a kingdom much smaller than WD few hours before eoa to shape charts (lots of irc logs here).
So if AMA hasn't been the best performing kingdom of late who has then?
5. ". Basically no matter what someone does you will put them down and talk ****. Pew Pew warred you clean and your still in here showing you have no class or tact. Really, get real."
First of all pewpew robbed our gold into eow cf, that is not clean.
Pewpew also accused us of running from them, talked massive ****, started this thread and "claimed" us from looking for other conflicts in the 3-4 days we had to wait for them to prepare. That is not playing clean, that is ****playing while talking **** and they got what they deserved.
I understand you fell big now when you sat OOW and pumped the whole age and made cows while we have been in 3 B2B wars all age, including one with your allies just now and you are getting ready to vulture us. Oh wait but its not vulturing when you hit someone after eow cf, except when I was leading old Rage, the whole kingdom including your leader now thought it was vulturing when we received 72h noticed after we just finished warring BB. Good luck on the propaganda, I personally don't care what you do as long as you don't QQ when you get vultured in future and cry foul.
I would like to add to this, any time Protie breaks it down into numbered sections skip the whole post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
Talking may not be as loud and clear as actual action taken but the intentions you stated in a private(although it turned out to be not so private but that's irrelevant) conversation with your supposed allies shows that you were perfectly ready and willing to go back on your given word on a paper-thin excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion
So that makes Rage the two-faced ones here because you intentionally made a deal in bad faith, having no intention of honoring it if a convenient situation came along.
The only other alternative is that all those logs were staged to dupe the public and were released on purpose but that doesn't really hold water because what exactly would you stand to gain by painting yourselves up as huge assholes and hypocrites?
So the only sensible conclusion is that the conversation was real and that your intentions at the time was to waive your deal with AMA and gb them, it's just that it never became convenient to do so. This has absolutely nothing to do with "thought crimes" because talking/typing is most definitely an action, you're the one who is reaching there.
First off that's just logical fallacies one after another it is hard to know where to even start. If we supposedly made a deal in bad faith and our whole plan and intention was just to act in bad faith I am pretty sure we would have. People can personally want revenge on you, discuss pretext and context for why it would be acceptable to return perceived treatment and pretexts used, without being a hypocrite or asshole. Quite the contrary, I would argue that the fact we acted honorable and didnt use our personal feelings and historical conventions to effect or influence our reaction and sense of fair-play means that your argument is just outright false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elldallan
To suppose that everything that one types/says is to be taken literally or as a supposition of factual reality is extremely poor logic. One thing has completely no correlation to the other. This is proven by the fact that in reality you never got ****played, in spite of the fact you QQ to contrary. I hope your are joking when you say there was never an opportune time for us to exploit the situation and GB or whatever if we wished. If we are such "two-faced assholes" as you say, we have actually had more than enough pretext to GB as soon as we knew where your KD was located.
Your KD and their allies ensured that any pretext can be used by any set of KD's to do whatever they wish. I find it interesting that now you dont understand why others are predisposed to treat you in a similar fashion to which you have treated them in past. Didnt AMA just last Age threaten to make a CF/deal void with Rage at a time of their leisure due to an arbitrary decision made by their member KD's? In spite what we say in private or our personal feelings we have never acted in such a manner diplomatically with you, while you have done whatever you see fit when it suits you.
Proteus your KD AMA has vultured Rage constantly how many Ages now, not claiming it is even vulturing? Basically AMA has vultured Rage after every war we had when we ran heavy human and Sages. It is really hard to even respond to you because you just go along constantly making up your own versions of reality. I could quote all of you all last Age in diplo threatening to B2B2B us as an ALLIANCE, not 1 vs 1. This was in spite of the fact that the only thing we even cared about is that YOU WOULD NOT HONOR YOUR DEALS. NOT THAT VULTURING IS BAD. We actually had no problem fighting you and expected to one after another. Too bad you dont see the difference between the two. Rest of your post is just you repeating yourself ad infinum again. One day I guess you will realize that no matter how much you repeat something that isnt relevant and seems to be like your canned response for everything, it isnt going to make people care any more than they do now. You missed the entire point of why it is a disservice to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Your arguments are very poor. You arbitrarily create definitions, rules, and play semantics. The fact you wont even acknowledge or accept reality then it is actually quite hard to explain, debate, or discuss anything with you. You are so prideful and arrogant and dont listen to anyone.
Good age lots of wars, could turn out to be epic!
Farming a 3 kingdom alliance one after another, the odds aren't in our favor and who knows what will happen. I assume Pyro are out to get us (can't speak for Pyro)......but I will have some fun in the process, and won't loose any sleep worrying about either 3 kingdoms.
I created beefs with most kds cause its fun. But i can say with Rage there is none. I still have one major concern regarding Rage and its the fact what allies they choosen for this age. Imo its attempt at powerplaying and one of the kds traded land for science with Rage last age. From what i could tell thier t/ms wad left more or less intact and no hits was made to take honor from them. (it had major impact on honor race, pew was left OP in perfect range to take out my kd from honor crown). I can see why many would get suspicious and this age hardly makes it look better. There is also our bot info that leaked and was used by your pact. I dont even need to say what i think about that. Then we have the other allied kd. Pyromaniacs that is this age joke in the top imo. That they got this far amazes me. You certainly picked allies that makes me and others raise an eyebrown. Needless to say, i am not a fan of ama. But kds like mine got stuck inbetween your terrible tries to powerplay the top this age. Your judgement must been all time low when picking allies. I still will let that slip under the table because after all preaching from Rage about honorable play i do have faith in Rage and its leaders. But there wont be many more straws to grasp after before its to much. Most can see thru the BS in the top. Unless they both blind and deff...
Enjoy
Valid points. We really don't care anymore what people think about last Age though, no one has any evidence or even logical arguments just alot of assumption and implications. Us allying with Pew Pew wasn't even discussed until after Age. The whole thing that initiated us even becoming friends was the blow-back and power-play that happened after we warred them. They know we more than paid for the land and had no control over how they chose to fight. To understand why we took actions we did should probably read the sequence of posts from start of conflict up until end of war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
I by no means claim that Rage is perfect or never makes mistakes. I do think that Rage, in spite of the constant BS we are thrown into middle of, plays quite fair with even KD's who have not exactly been the same towards us. We like anyone though sometime just get fed up, pissed, and wanna FSU. Can you really blame anyone for feeling like that or expressing that frustration, especially in private, when the game has become just a bunch of lameplay BS?
I understand. I just feel judgement is/was very clouded when you pick pewpew for allies after the ages they had. Cant claim superioty and a honorable GG feeling when siding with Pewpew. You better off alone. Fact is everyone is better of alone to make the top more competetive. You dont need them. They make Rage look bad imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion
wait a second....
What have I done?
I seriously can't be bothered reading the rest of your post. You must be completely clueless of how poor AMA and BB have conducted themselves as they sat in power, including last age. You don't get to choose who you fight when you're not on top. Trying to make a choice based on the CF's you have set up will result in dealbreaks and GB's. This is the way of AMA and BB. Take your seat and be happy that the kds on top right now have more respect toward their competitors than your groupie does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
you are a nubwegianQuote:
Originally Posted by Binar
AMA did noting wrong last age its was ED. First you vulture us after 9 days war and next after you loss this war you RUN FROM US in aranged war with Pew Pew x2 so we cant pay back. Sorry but its YOU did ****s not us. AMA is most fair and reasonable kd in top and its proved every age. Problem is there are so many n00bs and do ****s. ED was one from this n00b kds, same for Pew Pew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzerland
AMA "vultures" rage till now 0 times. For begin AMA is not Proteus kd its Elit and if some one can complain about ama hurt Rage its Proteus not you or drixx. AMA had only 1 hostile with Rage few ages ago when Proteus lead kd and we gave them 72h notice after kd left his post war. So its4+3 days and enough time for go fort stance and get max protection. Some facts about last 2 ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion
2 ages ago AMA smaller core prov was 10k acres Rage biggest provs was 10k acres. Drixx asked me for not hit his big so he can prepare for war. His prepare take 10 days!!! and we still didn't hit them till eoa. What did rage next for return favor? Hit our cow in active hostile !!!
Last age, we didn't punish RAGE for hit in active hostile and gave them CF. Late in age when deal was expired and had only notice WB come and asked us for not serve notice so he can have his pay back war with Pew Pew. AMA accepted his propose and didn't gave him notice. There is NO KD who will act like it constant.
Last age when we gave 72h notice hoh, they asked for more time for prepare to war us and we gave them it.
Last 2 ages we cf CR from begin so they have pure 1vs1 run with BB and keep it fair.
Last age We offered Pew Pew CF after win war but was rejected. This age we made same and offered them CF again.
I will tell it again. AMA is most honorable and fair kd in server last 5 ages. We don't start ****s but we return ****s when get them.
You must have me confused with someone else. I have never played for ED. You may have played fair this age, but there is still age to go for you to change that. It most definitely will not surprise me when you and BB make a move for it.