Pew Pew vs AMA

[makeo]

And even that moves at glacial speed.

[makeo]

Jeez. Is that hard to even try to keep up?

[Bishop]

Ok, ZodZilla. I think I've been quite clear, and you've been a patronising prick, so no point talking more is there?

If you can't see how you've conflated issues and wanna do the whole "makeo is a stalker", " If I have to look up context, I expect better", "What's the adjective", "Pew should feel shame about playing near top this age when they ain't great cuz they ****played in the past" ( all quotes my paraphrases) then frankly, you're a waste of my time.

So, as I also think you're unlikely to ever teach me anything worth knowing, I'm just gonna s****** at whatever reply you give and not bother.

And hurr durr.... I guess your edit of "who said you were stalking me" when your the only twat replying really makes sense. :p

Do not insult other users. 24 hour ban.

[Proteus]

*yawn*

I'm just spamming/chatting in forum while doing war.

Not at all "Stalkerish" as frankly, I have no idea who you are, and have never seen a post from you worth a damn. :)

Don't give a **** really.

And, to be honest, I was not aware conflate was a difficult word.

Based on your attempt at an argument, I guess it is. :(

To put in terms you may...possibly... grasp.

Pew are now under different leaders. Understand?
They're likely to act different? Clear?
They've clearly tried to approach things differently. Obvious?
If you think that what happened previously, when they are making an effort to improve, is to be the central thrust because " well they did this **** last age, and they are obviously ****-players and all actions and reps go forward", well then you conflating things.
And that's logically retarded. :p

Let me know if, rather than attempting to be a patronising prick, you actually wanna discuss. :p

Cuz your little jibes just make think you're not worth talking to.

Here you are wrong because pew did not try to play differently, they played same way as in past:
1. Pewpew rob gold from ama in eow cf which is a big no no
2. Pewpew ****play ama by try to claim them and tell them they cant fight other kd without making any hits, all they did was start this thread and dragon project. None of this is hostile. If this was any other kd ama could have waved someone else as we were ready to fight after eow but had to wait an additional 3 days...if we hit another kd pew would have doubled.
3. Pew allied rage and pyro and openly anti-ama/bb alliance. Logs were leaked from alliance discussion where pew or rage consider waving ama into hostile with simians.


Main mistake is to keep grudge with a kd better than yours because you lose long term over and over and its bad for morale. This is especially important as "new" kd with weaker leaders. Pew should have said we have new leaders lets start relations over and play neutral, instead they join alliance and ****play/powerplay ama this age but still get farmed.

This is same mistake bio made when they tried to make grudge with much better kd, Rage. Bio did 2v1 to rage two times in different ages and end up farmed after, when bio did last 2v1 after robbing gc from ally they was farmed to 50% rage nw and quasi disbanded and never rose in charts again. Its good lesson to not keep grudge with someone who will beat you all the time because no one wants spend entire age playing just to lose.

Pew made no attempt to act differently and are same kd afaik, there was no apology for robbing gc in eow cf or fake hostile claim.

[Ezzerland]

2. Pewpew ****play ama by try to claim them and tell them they cant fight other kd without making any hits, all they did was start this thread and dragon project. None of this is hostile. If this was any other kd ama could have waved someone else as we were ready to fight after eow but had to wait an additional 3 days...if we hit another kd pew would have doubled.

I'm just going to laugh at an AMA player making a comment about this.

[Korp]

1. Pewpew rob gold from ama in eow cf which is a big no no

AMA thinks waving into a eowcf is perfectly fine but apparently stealing gold is horrible.. okey.

2. Pewpew ****play ama by try to claim them and tell them they cant fight other kd without making any hits, all they did was start this thread and dragon project. None of this is hostile. If this was any other kd ama could have waved someone else as we were ready to fight after eow but had to wait an additional 3 days...if we hit another kd pew would have doubled.

We were ready but we have to wait 3 more days, logic? :(

3. Pew allied rage and pyro and openly anti-ama/bb alliance. Logs were leaked from alliance discussion where pew or rage consider waving ama into hostile with simians.

AMA did wave into what, 2 of Pewpews wars previous ages even though they were supose to be allies.

[PhoenixScorpion]

Here you are wrong because pew did not try to play differently, they played same way as in past:
1. Pewpew rob gold from ama in eow cf which is a big no no
2. Pewpew ****play ama by try to claim them and tell them they cant fight other kd without making any hits, all they did was start this thread and dragon project. None of this is hostile. If this was any other kd ama could have waved someone else as we were ready to fight after eow but had to wait an additional 3 days...if we hit another kd pew would have doubled.
3. Pew allied rage and pyro and openly anti-ama/bb alliance. Logs were leaked from alliance discussion where pew or rage consider waving ama into hostile with simians.


Main mistake is to keep grudge with a kd better than yours because you lose long term over and over and its bad for morale. This is especially important as "new" kd with weaker leaders. Pew should have said we have new leaders lets start relations over and play neutral, instead they join alliance and ****play/powerplay ama this age but still get farmed.

This is same mistake bio made when they tried to make grudge with much better kd, Rage. Bio did 2v1 to rage two times in different ages and end up farmed after, when bio did last 2v1 after robbing gc from ally they was farmed to 50% rage nw and quasi disbanded and never rose in charts again. Its good lesson to not keep grudge with someone who will beat you all the time because no one wants spend entire age playing just to lose.

Pew made no attempt to act differently and are same kd afaik, there was no apology for robbing gc in eow cf or fake hostile claim.

Do you listen to yourself? Rage has not "****played" AMA, I hope you are joking? AMA has on other hand ****played Rage like 3-4 Ages running now. But guess now pull your usual "John Kerry". Also hilarious when you call Pyro/Rage "anti-AMA/BB", when we they are the two KD's who like AMA/BB the most LOL we just think you guys powerplay people and do lame BS. Rage has never been a "sworn" enemy of AMA, well besides when you were here and created the whole beef with your back and forth ****talk with Elit. I really cant believe how two-faced you are. We have in spite of what AMA/BB has done in past attempted to approach AMA/BB fairly. Some private comments in a channel have no bearing on action taken, you are basically trying to accuse people of "thought" crimes and just reaching. Please.

It would also be nice if you would post something without repeating something you have said in the previous 900+ posts.

1. People can steal or hit into EOWCF unless there is a deal in place, to say otherwise is just n00b and crazy.

2. Starting a forum thread and "claiming" you as you call it is not lame, Elit does it himself, would you like me to quote him and show you an example? There is nothing wrong starting threads, calling people out, etc. Seriously?

3. Your KD along with others interfered into a 1 vs 1 involving one of our members, what did you think would happen? We actually acted fairly and clean, we didnt GB anyone although we had full right to GB whoever got involved. Stop trying to create boogeymen, the only thing we "hate" is the prideful and disrespectful manner in which your KD treats everyone then QQ when it is on receiving end. I still cant believe like last Age when you started off giving congratz on pump, then your KD makes up some BS to be lame per usual.

The thing is if you consider yourself the "best" KD on the server you only do yourself injustice playing in ways which allow the exact problems you complain about to exist and also have no problem with it seems when it benefits you. Basically no matter what someone does you will put them down and talk ****. Pew Pew warred you clean and your still in here showing you have no class or tact. Really, get real.

[Crazy Pete]

AMA thinks waving into a eowcf is perfectly fine but apparently stealing gold is horrible.. okey.

Korp you might be more of a noob than I originally had thought.

EOWCF= End Of War Ceasefire. AMA has NEVER hit into an EOWCF EVER. (while I have been here)

Just thought I would educate you on some basic utopia concepts. You may now proceed ranting but try to keep with truths. In the future log on to #tactics if you are unsure of the meaning of utopia terms, and someone there will gladly help you.

[Elit]

Yes korp is mistaken. AMA never hit/Rob in EOWCF. Its simple lame...

WAR is over and don't know why you all keep post there. Mods can close topic and ppl move on.

[Korp]

Yes korp is mistaken. AMA never hit/Rob in EOWCF. Its simple lame...

WAR is over and don't know why you all keep post there. Mods can close topic and ppl move on.

Korp you might be more of a noob than I originally had thought.

EOWCF= End Of War Ceasefire. AMA has NEVER hit into an EOWCF EVER. (while I have been here)

Just thought I would educate you on some basic utopia concepts. You may now proceed ranting but try to keep with truths. In the future log on to #tactics if you are unsure of the meaning of utopia terms, and someone there will gladly help you.

But you did, you hit into SWEAs eowcf. So either you two are smoking something or you two really have ****ty memories.

[John Snowstorm]

But you did, you hit into SWEAs eowcf. So either you two are smoking something or you two really have ****ty memories.

for there to be an eowCF there has to be a war, that was a fake war that was actioned and ended by support and your opponents never actually touched you in war.

gg taking part in massive friendly farm out.

[Proteus]

Do you listen to yourself? Rage has not "****played" AMA, I hope you are joking? AMA has on other hand ****played Rage like 3-4 Ages running now. But guess now pull your usual "John Kerry". Also hilarious when you call Pyro/Rage "anti-AMA/BB", when we they are the two KD's who like AMA/BB the most LOL we just think you guys powerplay people and do lame BS. Rage has never been a "sworn" enemy of AMA, well besides when you were here and created the whole beef with your back and forth ****talk with Elit. I really cant believe how two-faced you are. We have in spite of what AMA/BB has done in past attempted to approach AMA/BB fairly. Some private comments in a channel have no bearing on action taken, you are basically trying to accuse people of "thought" crimes and just reaching. Please.

It would also be nice if you would post something without repeating something you have said in the previous 900+ posts.

1. People can steal or hit into EOWCF unless there is a deal in place, to say otherwise is just n00b and crazy.

2. Starting a forum thread and "claiming" you as you call it is not lame, Elit does it himself, would you like me to quote him and show you an example? There is nothing wrong starting threads, calling people out, etc. Seriously?

3. Your KD along with others interfered into a 1 vs 1 involving one of our members, what did you think would happen? We actually acted fairly and clean, we didnt GB anyone although we had full right to GB whoever got involved. Stop trying to create boogeymen, the only thing we "hate" is the prideful and disrespectful manner in which your KD treats everyone then QQ when it is on receiving end. I still cant believe like last Age when you started off giving congratz on pump, then your KD makes up some BS to be lame per usual.

The thing is if you consider yourself the "best" KD on the server you only do yourself injustice playing in ways which allow the exact problems you complain about to exist and also have no problem with it seems when it benefits you. Basically no matter what someone does you will put them down and talk ****. Pew Pew warred you clean and your still in here showing you have no class or tact. Really, get real.

1. Interfering with EOW cf under any circumstance is perceived lame by the community. Obviously anyone "can" do anything they want including 2v1, farmear, dealbreak, etc. but its unamious that its not ok to interfere with eow cf same way its not ok to 2v1 someone. If you think its ok then are you ok with whatever kingdom you play to be robbed into eow cf as well?

2. Elit never "claimed " someone with a thread in the form where it implied "You cant hit anyone else or we will hit you anyways. Pewpew acted as if we were HOSTILE with them just because they made a thread/started dragon project yet there were no hostilities and AMA could have waved any kingdom they chosen to when they came out of EOW ready rather than waiting 4 days for pewpew to be ready because they messed up pump...only reason AMA did not because they did not want to get 2v1ed unprovoked.

3. How did we interfere with a 1v1 of "one of your members.:" Simians waved Pyro who was waving Legacy. Pyro was hitting Legacy and ignored Simians, we hit Simians as they were ignored by Pyro and hit into an active hostile. Hitting in Simians in no way interferes with Pyro. Furthermore, there was proof here how simians logs/channel/bot was leaked by overmitt which your ally exploited to begin hitting simias *AFTER* AMA has already hit simians. You were planning having either rage or pewpew wave AMA into *ACTIVE* hostile with Simians even though Simians had hit 120 pts on meter. Active retal war vs kd when meter is at 150-125 is not same as waving a kingdom who doubled someone and got no retals back.

You did do a good pump last age and would have won a min-time war and gained ~30k + WW under *normal circumstances* when your opponent acts rationally. Pewpew did not act rationally, they chose to farm out to you to interfere charts and try to make you big enough to beat AMA. There were logs from their monarch petrified confirming this and pasted in forums, perhaps use search function and find them. When soemone is farming out to you and you do nothing about it, you are a PARTICIPANT. Its unfair to anyone who plays the game fairly. If pewpew did TMs back for land and WD min-time as a normal kingdom would when losing you would never end #2 NW, you would end #4-5 land and #3-5 NW.

4. Yes I claim AMA is the best kingdom on the server because AMA was the #1 crown contender the past 3-4 ages since coming back to the game.

Age 57 AMA farmed Sanc & got free land from Rage and was pretty much #1 until Havoc doubled them with Sanc. Age 58 AMA was #1 majority of time time and would gangbanged by 3 kingdoms and pewpew deliberately farmed out to SWEA and was suspended for it by admins. Age 59 AMA won NW crown and was #1 land majority of age after which Jerks got shady war with a kingdom much smaller than WD few hours before eoa to shape charts (lots of irc logs here).

So if AMA hasn't been the best performing kingdom of late who has then?

5. ". Basically no matter what someone does you will put them down and talk ****. Pew Pew warred you clean and your still in here showing you have no class or tact. Really, get real."

First of all pewpew robbed our gold into eow cf, that is not clean.
Pewpew also accused us of running from them, talked massive ****, started this thread and "claimed" us from looking for other conflicts in the 3-4 days we had to wait for them to prepare. That is not playing clean, that is ****playing while talking **** and they got what they deserved.

I understand you fell big now when you sat OOW and pumped the whole age and made cows while we have been in 3 B2B wars all age, including one with your allies just now and you are getting ready to vulture us. Oh wait but its not vulturing when you hit someone after eow cf, except when I was leading old Rage, the whole kingdom including your leader now thought it was vulturing when we received 72h noticed after we just finished warring BB. Good luck on the propaganda, I personally don't care what you do as long as you don't QQ when you get vultured in future and cry foul.

[Band of Horses]

I've developed a system for reading Protie posts. You read the first 4 words of the paragraph, if in those 4 words he uses I/It's/Win/Lose/**** then stop there and skip to next paragraph.

I would like to add to this, any time Protie breaks it down into numbered sections skip the whole post.

[Elldallan]

Some private comments in a channel have no bearing on action taken, you are basically trying to accuse people of "thought" crimes and just reaching. Please.

Talking may not be as loud and clear as actual action taken but the intentions you stated in a private(although it turned out to be not so private but that's irrelevant) conversation with your supposed allies shows that you were perfectly ready and willing to go back on your given word on a paper-thin excuse.
So that makes Rage the two-faced ones here because you intentionally made a deal in bad faith, having no intention of honoring it if a convenient situation came along.
The only other alternative is that all those logs were staged to dupe the public and were released on purpose but that doesn't really hold water because what exactly would you stand to gain by painting yourselves up as huge assholes and hypocrites?

So the only sensible conclusion is that the conversation was real and that your intentions at the time was to waive your deal with AMA and gb them, it's just that it never became convenient to do so. This has absolutely nothing to do with "thought crimes" because talking/typing is most definitely an action, you're the one who is reaching there.

[PhoenixScorpion]

Talking may not be as loud and clear as actual action taken but the intentions you stated in a private(although it turned out to be not so private but that's irrelevant) conversation with your supposed allies shows that you were perfectly ready and willing to go back on your given word on a paper-thin excuse.
So that makes Rage the two-faced ones here because you intentionally made a deal in bad faith, having no intention of honoring it if a convenient situation came along.
The only other alternative is that all those logs were staged to dupe the public and were released on purpose but that doesn't really hold water because what exactly would you stand to gain by painting yourselves up as huge assholes and hypocrites?

So the only sensible conclusion is that the conversation was real and that your intentions at the time was to waive your deal with AMA and gb them, it's just that it never became convenient to do so. This has absolutely nothing to do with "thought crimes" because talking/typing is most definitely an action, you're the one who is reaching there.

First off that's just logical fallacies one after another it is hard to know where to even start. If we supposedly made a deal in bad faith and our whole plan and intention was just to act in bad faith I am pretty sure we would have. People can personally want revenge on you, discuss pretext and context for why it would be acceptable to return perceived treatment and pretexts used, without being a hypocrite or asshole. Quite the contrary, I would argue that the fact we acted honorable and didnt use our personal feelings and historical conventions to effect or influence our reaction and sense of fair-play means that your argument is just outright false.

To suppose that everything that one types/says is to be taken literally or as a supposition of factual reality is extremely poor logic. One thing has completely no correlation to the other. This is proven by the fact that in reality you never got ****played, in spite of the fact you QQ to contrary. I hope your are joking when you say there was never an opportune time for us to exploit the situation and GB or whatever if we wished. If we are such "two-faced assholes" as you say, we have actually had more than enough pretext to GB as soon as we knew where your KD was located.

Your KD and their allies ensured that any pretext can be used by any set of KD's to do whatever they wish. I find it interesting that now you dont understand why others are predisposed to treat you in a similar fashion to which you have treated them in past. Didnt AMA just last Age threaten to make a CF/deal void with Rage at a time of their leisure due to an arbitrary decision made by their member KD's? In spite what we say in private or our personal feelings we have never acted in such a manner diplomatically with you, while you have done whatever you see fit when it suits you.