Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

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Originally Posted by Rager1234

So why the insult in the initial contact message back
you could of just let it go
there was no loss to you

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I assume this is directed at me?

insult? Because I said moron? LOL.

Why the thin skin?

Takes two to tango.

Etc.

Horses please use it in full context

Sounds like abi.

Sheister yes it takes two to tango but it also takes two to let things go and move on

Both sides already know what they want to do, so with regard this matter is 'resolved'. I assumed things wont change no matter how, so theres no reason to be emotionally involved in this debate any longer.

I take it this Abi is from DD?

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Originally Posted by Sheister

I dunno, it is almost Elitish really.

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Very Elitish indeed, that is why I love it.

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Originally Posted by Rager1234

Horses please use it in full context

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Context doesn't help it tbh. It is very funny on it's own, doesn't need build up for the punchline.

so true horses
It does and is meant that way

ok, I just got back from an afternoon at the vinyard, so please forgive me. I need someone to explain how horses fit in here. I am intensely curious as I was trailriding to (and from ) the vinyards so I could use some horse humor.

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Originally Posted by StratOcastle

You have to be both for Mrs Significant.

I'm just the creepo that nods with approval when folks kiss at the end - don't mind me.

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WAIT A SECOND!!!

Are you saying that I need to find the love of a good woman to make me realize the true meaning of Christmas?

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Originally Posted by Sheister

ok, I just got back from an afternoon at the vinyard, so please forgive me. I need someone to explain how horses fit in here. I am intensely curious as I was trailriding to (and from ) the vinyards so I could use some horse humor.

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*Looks around all shifty eyed* Can Sheister not see me?

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Originally Posted by Sheister

WAIT A SECOND!!!

Are you saying that I need to find the love of a good woman to make me realize the true meaning of Christmas?

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That's right. You've been riding through the vineyard, with 3 open buttons, on this search all your life: the true meaning of Christmas. And there she was like the breath of destiny.

@ all.

There was a pastry one on today, btw. Two mothers had a baking fued/rivalry. Here's the twist: one had a son, the aforementioned iron sin, and the other a daughter. Then there was a baking contest. I won't ruin it for you....

On Topic ~ I thought I saw you guys, but it may've been someone else. I never SN oow but there's a first for everything. All I saw were razes on 2 tiny kingdoms.

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Originally Posted by Rager1234

And that gentlemen is why you are just acting like 10 year olds
your immaturity is there for all to see .
yes it looks like you killed one of theirs but he /she will just reset and so this continues
so NO winners at all just some stupid 10 year olds acting tough
because you think that you are messing with their age but in the process you are messing with your age aswell
as it sounds like they are just as willing to be razing into you for the next how many ages too.
I think you all just are doing this because you just want the attention like spoilt brats

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How can you expect maturity from "stupid 10 year olds"? Weird expectations.
For me personally it's a win every time I manage to wholeheartedly laugh about this, that's where people like Sheister and Rizen (especially you babe) come in.
I enjoy attention, this is known.

Now answer this, what are you doing here? Are you trying to prove something or what? Let's hear it.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

How can you expect maturity from "stupid 10 year olds"? Weird expectations.
For me personally it's a win every time I manage to wholeheartedly laugh about this, that's where people like Sheister and Rizen (especially you babe) come in.
I enjoy attention, this is known.

Now answer this, what are you doing here? Are you trying to prove something or what? Let's hear it.

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Funny thing is that 10 year olds by far do not spend as much time justifying their ****ty actions towards each other.

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

*Looks around all shifty eyed* Can Sheister not see me?

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Laugh out loud! No.

I was on my phone with the text expanded and not reading names......

Now I feel silly.

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Originally Posted by Rager1234

Sheister yes it takes two to tango but it also takes two to let things go and move on

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We offered several chances to move on. All rejected.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Never said that.

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Really?? You sure??

Sender Knight Ho Ho Ho the Hero of Now I Have A Machine Gun (X:X)
Recipient Queen Abigail the Blessed of Dungeon Diva (X:X)
Subject Re:Hi

No problem. Enjoy not warring all age.



Still sure?

Rekt

Damn. Nice win though.

I am pretty sure that he was assuming that you would not be dumb enough to go to war with a kingdom out there waiting to raze into you. He was wrong Abi, you are that dumb.

Congrats!

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Originally Posted by Sheister

I am pretty sure that he was assuming that you would not be dumb enough to go to war with a kingdom out there waiting to raze into you. He was wrong Abi, you are that dumb.

Congrats!

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Basically came here to post that! But since you beat me to it have this

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<Abi> hmm.. hostility meter with RoO mysteriusly resets to 0 after they push it well past hostile
<Abi> that's not at all suspicious
<Sjet> post pictures!
<Abi> Wars Won / Concluded Wars 0 / 0 Average Opponent Relative Size 100%
<Abi> Them
<Abi> Normal
<Abi> Unfriendly
<Abi> Hostile
<Abi> War
<Abi> Us
<Abi> Their Attitude To Us Normal (0 points) Our Attitude To Them Normal (0 points)
<Abi> Taunt into battle Hostility meter for all
<Abi> ** The kingdom of RoO **
<Abi> Total land exchanged: -14 (87/132)
<Abi> I guess the meter was getting real close to being maxed on both sides
<Abi> and someone in the kingdom with the ability to reset it, didn't want things escalting into war lol
<EvilEndures> You are in a war?
<Abi> oh **** yeah.. it cacels

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Originally Posted by Sheister

Laugh out loud! No.

I was on my phone with the text expanded and not reading names......

Now I feel silly.

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I figured you would lol. But that may have been the first time someone called me "horses".

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Originally Posted by Pillz

Basically came here to post that! But since you beat me to it have this

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Love the bonus content.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

We offered several chances to move on. All rejected.

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Incorrect. The negotiation between you and Krynn was never rejected by us. Plus you are just as guilty for refusing to move on.

To get some facts straight -

1. 6 free hits by RoO (REJECTED by DD)
2. No-term CF (REJECTED by RoO)
3. 5k acres to octobrev (REJECTED by DD with a counteroffer)
4. 2.5k acres to octobrev (REJECTED by RoO with a "counteroffer")

The last counteroffer from you was the 7500 acres that was obviously suggested for vindictive purpose only, knowing that we would reject it. So we don't see it as a legitimate negotiation term. The essence of negotiation is compromising - BOTH SIDES should be able to give in a portion of what they value to reach an agreement. When you throw out a term that further deviates from the middle, we have every reason to believe that you are the one that is unwilling to move on from this.

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Originally Posted by Papa Legba

Incorrect. The negotiation between you and Krynn was never rejected by us. Plus you are just as guilty for refusing to move on.

To get some facts straight -

1. 6 free hits by RoO (REJECTED by DD)
2. No-term CF (REJECTED by RoO)
3. 5k acres to octobrev (REJECTED by DD with a counteroffer)
4. 2.5k acres to octobrev (REJECTED by RoO with a "counteroffer")

The last counteroffer from you was the 7500 acres that was obviously suggested for vindictive purpose only, knowing that we would reject it. So we don't see it as a legitimate negotiation term. The essence of negotiation is compromising - BOTH SIDES should be able to give in a portion of what they value to reach an agreement. When you throw a term out that further deviates from the middle, we have every reason to believe that you are not willing to move on from this.

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1) You're omitting the offer to CF if Abi deletes her province
2) You're omitting the offer to CF if Abi issues a sweeping apology (to be approved by Bishop)

And there was nothing vindictive about that offer. New offer is indicated below.

DD (summary)

own_tm 440 (15)
own_raze 1,314 (86)
own_fail 0 (4)
own_bush 38 (2)
enemy_tm 792 (30)
enemy_raze 15,033 (946)
enemy_plunder 0 (8)
enemy_learn 0 (4)
enemy_fail 0 (28)

TOTAL -15347

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Originally Posted by Papa Legba

Incorrect. The negotiation between you and Krynn was never rejected by us.

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What exactly does not accepting a proposal and continuing razing mean then if it's not a rejection?

Where is your compromise? I requested an apology. Too much?

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Originally Posted by Pillz

1) You're omitting the offer to CF if Abi deletes her province
2) You're omitting the offer to CF if Abi issues a sweeping apology (to be approved by Bishop)

And there was nothing vindictive about that offer. New offer is indicated below.

DD (summary)

own_tm 440 (15)
own_raze 1,314 (86)
own_fail 0 (4)
own_bush 38 (2)
enemy_tm 792 (30)
enemy_raze 15,033 (946)
enemy_plunder 0 (8)
enemy_learn 0 (4)
enemy_fail 0 (28)

TOTAL -15347

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I deliberately omitted those offers. Accepting either of those actions forces us to acknowledge that the fault is on us while you lose nothing. The whole "you razed us 1000x" is a null point since you have clearly indicated that your kd had no clear goal this age except to FSU so having your kingdom razed down will be perceived as having had a minimal effect on your overall (almost) non-existing goal.

This whole fiasco started because neither side was willing to acknowledge each side's fault. Now a fairer term would be for Abi to apology if RoO is willing to do the same (approved by us), shake hands and move on. Both sides' ego gets hurt.

Of course, RoO will never accept such term because that will force them to move on from this, which was never their intent since the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

What exactly does not accepting a proposal and continuing razing mean then if it's not a rejection?

Where is your compromise? I requested an apology. Too much?

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You did. But that was after holding me off for over 24 hours and after Abi replied to the nub. Everything blew up then and I could no longer deal. Too bad it took too long. This would be done with.

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Originally Posted by Papa Legba

Accepting either of those actions forces us to acknowledge that the fault is on us..

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I feel like some progress has just been made.

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Originally Posted by Papa Legba

I deliberately omitted those offers. Accepting either of those actions forces us to acknowledge that the fault is on us while you lose nothing. The whole "you razed us 1000x" is a null point since you have clearly indicated that your kd had no clear goal this age except to FSU so having your kingdom razed down will be perceived as having had a minimal effect on your overall (almost) non-existing goal.

This whole fiasco started because neither side was willing to acknowledge each side's fault. Now a fairer term would be for Abi to apology if RoO is willing to do the same (approved by us), shake hands and move on. Both sides' ego gets hurt.

Of course, RoO will never accept such term because that will force them to move on from this, which was never their intent since the beginning.

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But you are at fault... all the way through. How you guys still can't realize or admit that is beyond me. Especially since most of the apologies due are for Abi's personal actions since this began, rather then the situation itself.

Our goals are not really to FSU, we just have none. FSU just crops up whenever a kingdom, any kingdom, picks a fight with us. In previous ages this included Simians/Pandas, CR, and BB. This age it was you and 'Strippers' who stirred ****.

There is no fault for us to apologize for. You waved into an active hostile, you acted like pricks, and you are paying the price. We said we'd raze into your future wars, we did. Sheister and I at least have vowed to disband you, and we will. And that promise only came after Abi so deftly tried to have us permakilled from our own KD.

We would be happy to move on for 15k acres, the deletion of abi's province, or an apology. Else you can enjoy what time you have left before I make you all quit.

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Originally Posted by Krynn

You did. But that was after holding me off for over 24 hours and after Abi replied to the nub. Everything blew up then and I could no longer deal. Too bad it took too long. This would be done with.

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Stop using the delay as an excuse. It's irrelevant as there was no time limit put on negotiations and I had allowed allowed you delays as you had to work.

Abi went behind your back and negated all discussions. We offered a very fair compromise which was still on the table until you guys pulled it.

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Originally Posted by Pillz

But you are at fault... all the way through. How you guys still can't realize or admit that is beyond me. Especially since most of the apologies due are for Abi's personal actions since this began, rather then the situation itself.

Our goals are not really to FSU, we just have none. FSU just crops up whenever a kingdom, any kingdom, picks a fight with us. In previous ages this included Simians/Pandas, CR, and BB. This age it was you and 'Strippers' who stirred ****.

There is no fault for us to apologize for. You waved into an active hostile, you acted like pricks, and you are paying the price. We said we'd raze into your future wars, we did. Sheister and I at least have vowed to disband you, and we will. And that promise only came after Abi so deftly tried to have us permakilled from our own KD.

We would be happy to move on for 15k acres, the deletion of abi's province, or an apology. Else you can enjoy what time you have left before I make you all quit.

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OK, so you have once more demonstrated that you have no interest in settling this. Please tell bishop to never blame us again for "refusing to move on".

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Stop using the delay as an excuse. It's irrelevant as there was no time limit put on negotiations and I had allowed allowed you delays as you had to work.

Abi went behind your back and negated all discussions. We offered a very fair compromise which was still on the table until you guys pulled it.

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Did you miss that half of the discussion? Abi explained it in clear detail in this very thread.

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Originally Posted by Kestrel038

Just to clarify. Samsung messaged me asking for help in killing Korp as he already had votes and wanted monarchy. (I think he even tried to offer a FW arrangement in return for the help.. maybe he really IS a nub... but anyway). I explained that we had killed korp several times and he kept respawning. I informed Samsung how the mechanics work and what it would take to remove him. I also explained that he had several friends in the kingdom who would likely try to get him back/cause trouble. (Obviously I didn't even give the war offer a mention).

Samsung messages me back asking who his friends were. I replied saying. "The ones who have been involved against us are as follows...

At no point did I offer, agree or suggest any collusion, I simply answered his questions to the best of my ability.

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But then, you never replied to her (I won't go so far to say it was deliberate) so it is rather convenient for you to say that you missed it.

For any objectively minded, it is clear that Abi's explanation by no means suggests that she made an attempt at a collusion or to go behind the negotiations. Your noob approached her FIRST because he wanted the monarchy (his free will), he wanted to know how to go about doing it and Abi explained the mechanics behind it.

But then, there is a suspicion on why that particular noob bothered to disclose his convo with Abi to you guys if he wanted you guys gone. Something certainly worthy of discussion.

If this is your biggest argument on why the term was never reached, please try harder to come up with something else that is not entirely based on groundless assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Stop using the delay as an excuse. It's irrelevant as there was no time limit put on negotiations and I had allowed allowed you delays as you had to work.

Abi went behind your back and negated all discussions. We offered a very fair compromise which was still on the table until you guys pulled it.

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So let me get this straight.

Sheister mouths off and threatens OOW razes unless we CF him to Yr5. - Our fault.
Sheister razes into our war 44 times - Our fault
Sheister believes the conflict is dealt with even though we already had plans to repay him - Our fault
You managed to pick a fight with Strippers which you recruit Sheister to help you with - Our fault
You threatened to raze into our wars which prompted our hits on you - Our fault
A province from YOUR kingdom messages us saying they want to kill you off - Our fault
Steel and Korp insist that only Bishop (who has a lot of other things to do) can do diplo - Our fault
Bishop as expected, has a busy schedule and is unable to conclude talks before your "nub" messaged me - Our fault
We did not continue hits until after Steel and Korp had mouthed off in forums and stated that talks were ended - Our fault

Yes, we were in control of every single of the above actions.. we were able to control and dictate every single act listed.. clearly our fault 100%.

We have made every effort to bring this to conclusion. You guys have made every effort to prolong it. we shall let karma decide. :)

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Originally Posted by Papa Legba

OK, so you have once more demonstrated that you have no interest in settling this. Please tell bishop to never blame us again for "refusing to move on".



Did you miss that half of the discussion? Abi explained it in clear detail in this very thread.



But then, you never replied to her (I won't go so far to say it was deliberate) so it is rather convenient for you to say that you missed it.

For any objectively minded, it is clear that Abi's explanation by no means suggests that she made an attempt at a collusion or to go behind the negotiations. Your noob approached her FIRST because he wanted the monarchy (his free will), he wanted to know how to go about doing it and Abi explained the mechanics behind it.

But then, there is a suspicion on why that particular noob bothered to disclose his convo with Abi to you guys if he wanted you guys gone. Something certainly worthy of discussion.

If this is your biggest argument on why the term was never reached, please try harder to come up with something else that is not entirely based on groundless assumptions.

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Abi is lying. She lies. Did you not know that?

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Originally Posted by Kestrel038

So let me get this straight.

Sheister mouths off and threatens OOW razes unless we CF him to Yr5. - Our fault.
Sheister razes into our war 44 times - Our fault
Sheister believes the conflict is dealt with even though we already had plans to repay him - Our fault
You managed to pick a fight with Strippers which you recruit Sheister to help you with - Our fault
You threatened to raze into our wars which prompted our hits on you - Our fault
A province from YOUR kingdom messages us saying they want to kill you off - Our fault
Steel and Korp insist that only Bishop (who has a lot of other things to do) can do diplo - Our fault
Bishop as expected, has a busy schedule and is unable to conclude talks before your "nub" messaged me - Our fault
We did not continue hits until after Steel and Korp had mouthed off in forums and stated that talks were ended - Our fault

Yes, we were in control of every single of the above actions.. we were able to control and dictate every single act listed.. clearly our fault 100%.

We have made every effort to bring this to conclusion. You guys have made every effort to prolong it. we shall let karma decide. :)

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This is a terrible apology, Bishop will never accept it. - your fault

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Originally Posted by Kestrel038

So let me get this straight.

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You have it wrong. You missed the first bit.

Edit: actually you twisted an awful lot of that, i am not surprised.

Karma is a premise for fools and morons. You reap what you sow. Nothing to do with karma.

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Originally Posted by Kestrel038

So let me get this straight.

Sheister mouths off and threatens OOW razes unless we CF him to Yr5. - Our fault.
Sheister razes into our war 44 times - Our fault
Sheister believes the conflict is dealt with even though we already had plans to repay him - Our fault
You managed to pick a fight with Strippers which you recruit Sheister to help you with - Our fault
You threatened to raze into our wars which prompted our hits on you - Our fault
A province from YOUR kingdom messages us saying they want to kill you off - Our fault
Steel and Korp insist that only Bishop (who has a lot of other things to do) can do diplo - Our fault
Bishop as expected, has a busy schedule and is unable to conclude talks before your "nub" messaged me - Our fault
We did not continue hits until after Steel and Korp had mouthed off in forums and stated that talks were ended - Our fault

Yes, we were in control of every single of the above actions.. we were able to control and dictate every single act listed.. clearly our fault 100%.

We have made every effort to bring this to conclusion. You guys have made every effort to prolong it. we shall let karma decide. :)

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try again and insert your actions and omissions. LOL!

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Abi is lying. She lies. Did you not know that?

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This is a half-assed 2nd grade tier level response. For a moment I wanted a discussion based on reason, yet you have degraded this into playground bickering. If you choose to believe your kingdom-mate and is convinced that your interpretation of the situation is the truth, that's fine. I, too, have no reason to believe your words over Abi's. We might as well call each other liars until the end of time.

But the fact still stands - your kingdom has continued to raise your demands - from 5k to 7.5k to now 15k. DD, on the other hand, has demonstrated a willingness to come to terms by giving up what is rightfully ours despite belief that we are not to blame here - from no term CF to 2.5k land to Octobrev. We are not the one who brought up side-issues to circumvent our way out of agreement.

Yet how you have the guts to accuse us as fools who refuse to move on is mind-numbing.

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Originally Posted by Papa Legba

This is a half-assed 2nd grade tier level response. For a moment I wanted a discussion based on reason, yet you have degraded this into playground bickering. If you choose to believe your kingdom-mate and is convinced that your interpretation of the situation is the truth, that's fine. I, too, have no reason to believe your words over Abi's. We might as well call each other liars until the end of time.

But the fact still stands - your kingdom has continued to raise your demands - from 5k to 7.5k to now 15k. DD, on the other hand, has demonstrated a willingness to come to terms by giving up what is rightfully ours despite belief that we are not to blame here - from no term CF to 2.5k land to Octobrev. We are not the one who brought up side-issues to circumvent our way out of agreement.

Yet how you have the guts to accuse us as fools who refuse to move on is mind-numbing.

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No honestly. Abi lies. She's been found out several times she lied about this exact scenario and sloped off to hide when I offered to confirm it.

Take no heed of steels demand of 15k. There is no demand. I'm going to raze into your wars.

DD, and I mean abi here as I have no real issue with krynn et all, have only demonstrated that you are not to be trusted.

The question remains: Who watches the watchmen?

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Originally Posted by elmoheadbutt

The question remains: Who watches the watchmen?

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Alan Moore is my hero.