Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

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Originally Posted by elmoheadbutt

The question remains: Who watches the watchmen?

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When it can't be interpreted as fun anymore I'm sure throngs will converge. I'm telling you guys to look at this as one of those ongoing SE Asian conflicts, or whatever...several hundred years in Europe.

Here you have a chance to weave another Utopian tapestry. Yeah, old guys will say "In the dying days..." but even the WWE had some of its best wrestling drama when they suffered a great exodus of superstars(and I never liked them). Don't let these things wear you out, let them make you a campaigner.

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Originally Posted by Bishop

No honestly. Abi lies. She's been found out several times she lied about this exact scenario and sloped off to hide when I offered to confirm it.

Take no heed of steels demand of 15k. There is no demand. I'm going to raze into your wars.

DD, and I mean abi here as I have no real issue with krynn et all, have only demonstrated that you are not to be trusted.

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And what makes you think your kingdom is any more trustworthy than we are? How is this even relevant at this point? Again, Abi's words over yours. It doesn't matter who you think lied and who didn't - it won't convince me, unless you are able to post a definite proof of it (which I have yet to see). As far as I'm concerned, your kingdom has done more than its share to demonstrate that you will not settle for anything less than razing into our wars. Your negotiation attempt with Krynn was a sham, you never intended it to settle in the first place, and found the perfect opportunity at the right time to turn Abi into a perfect scapegoat for you to sidetrack the issue. Am I wrong? Well I guess it doesn't matter since you chose to turn this discussion into something about "what we THINK happened" rather than what actually happened.

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Originally Posted by Papa Legba

And what makes you think your kingdom is any more trustworthy than we are? How is this even relevant at this point? Again, Abi's words over yours. It doesn't matter who you think lied and who didn't - it won't convince me, unless you are able to post a definite proof of it (which I have yet to see). As far as I'm concerned, your kingdom has done more than its share to demonstrate that you will not settle for anything less than razing into our wars. Your negotiation attempt with Krynn was a sham, you never intended it to settle in the first place, and found the perfect opportunity at the right time to turn Abi into a perfect scapegoat for you to sidetrack the issue. Am I wrong? Well I guess it doesn't matter since you chose to turn this discussion into something about "what we THINK happened" rather than what actually happened.

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I believe if Bishop and I were left on our own to come up with the CF we could have made it happen. too much other BS going on.

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Originally Posted by Krynn

I believe if Bishop and I were left on our own to come up with the CF we could have made it happen. too much other BS going on.

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which is why flaming is usually left in the forums and things actually get done in IRC and people like Abi are told to STFU and stay out of it.

Lol @ this papa legba fellow.

In this thread logs have shown Abi to be lying many times. By abi's own admission she explains to the random how to kill us (though she lies as to the circumstances).

Why is your monarch instructing one of our random how to kill us during sensitive negotiations that both kds had explicitly agreed would be between just two KD members?

Are you retarded or do you just stew in a pot of cognitive dissonance?

now now pillz,

he could be smoking the pot of cognitive dissonance....

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Originally Posted by Pillz

We would be happy to move on for an apology.

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This is like dealing with the small weird kid at school who smells bad and picks his nose. He has got hold of your marbles, he won't give them back unless you give him a kiss in the playground.

What you have to decide is whether to let him keep your marbles while you shout it's not fair, wear a disguise next term, or give him a kiss and let him feel he's won while you get your marbles back and enjoy playing with them and laugh with your friends behind his back at how simple minded he is.

Or you can keep the epic saga going, guess the forum's got more action out of this than it has for a long time. It even got me posting and that's real hard.

Your choice really Kestrel, it's in your hands.

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Originally Posted by Pillz

Lol @ this papa legba fellow.

In this thread logs have shown Abi to be lying many times. By abi's own admission she explains to the random how to kill us (though she lies as to the circumstances).

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I am aware of Abi's "instruction" and the circumstances in which it happened. If you choose not to believe her, it's not my problem. I believe Abi, you believe yours. But your kingdom has the burden of proof since you are the accuser, and you haven't provided a single piece of convincing evidence to support your suspicion. Until then, I will stick to my own belief on what happened.

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Why is your monarch instructing one of our random how to kill us during sensitive negotiations that both kds had explicitly agreed would be between just two KD members?

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Your random wanted to be the monarch and wanted to raze you all down to take the claim. It was a kindly gesture of passing down the info from a veteran to a noob on how the mechanism works. Whether or not he really razed you is really none of our concern; we ceased all razes on you during the negotiation and your random acted on his own will. We won't stop him from razing you if he had his own agenda since it had nothing to do with this conflict.

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Originally Posted by Papa Legba

I am aware of Abi's "instruction" and the circumstances in which it happened. If you choose not to believe her, it's not my problem. I believe Abi, you believe yours. But your kingdom has the burden of proof since you are the accuser, and you haven't provided a single piece of convincing evidence to support your suspicion. Until then, I will stick to my own belief on what happened.



Your random wanted to be the monarch and wanted to raze you all down to take the claim. It was a kindly gesture of passing down the info from a veteran to a noob on how the mechanism works. Whether or not he really razed you is really none of our concern; we ceased all razes on you during the negotiation and your random acted on his own will. We won't stop him from razing you if he had his own agenda since it had nothing to do with this conflict.

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Full retard: the kingdom

Thank God you don't have long left. But on the other hand, maybe concentrating all this stupidity to one named **** hole is beneficial to the server.

Guess we'll find out.

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Originally Posted by Pillz

Full retard: the kingdom

Thank God you don't have long left. But on the other hand, maybe concentrating all this stupidity to one named **** hole is beneficial to the server.

Guess we'll find out.

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I know you think you are the smartest guy in the room but just because you say radical things (i.e. "Hitler didn't do anything that is objectively bad", "Hitler's house deserves to be preserved more than Anne Frank's", "[while discussing holocaust] who cares about gays and disabled?", "Jews didn't pay up") doesn't mean you are the beacon of all intellect. You've responded to my post twice in the past 30 minute, and at both times you've called me a retard on each post and hardly any reason other than "you are wrong because you are DD, I am right because I'm not DD". Now tell me why I should take you seriously?

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Originally Posted by Papa Legba

I know you think you are the smartest guy in the room but just because you say radical things (i.e. "Hitler didn't do anything that is objectively bad", "Hitler's house deserves to be preserved more than Anne Frank's", "[while discussing holocaust] who cares about gays and disabled?", "Jews didn't pay up") doesn't mean you are the beacon of all intellect. You've responded to my post twice in the past 30 minute, and at both times you've called me a retard on each post and hardly any reason other than "you are wrong because you are DD, I am right because I'm not DD". Now tell me why I should take you seriously?

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Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.weve demonstrated that Abi talks out her ass at every chance, since our first day of communication. All relevant PMs and logs have been provided.

Your and your kingdoms paranoia doesn't change the facts, which are that Samsung contacted Abi and then began killing us. He provided the PMs exchanged and his and his summary of events. And he did contact us once we began to stir and respond to his actions. Why, who can say?

As for "she did nothing wrong", you have to be lacking something upstairs to not see he fault in our opponent's monarch communicating details of how to kill us to a random ass province 24 hours after she agreed to one-on-one negotiations between Bishop and Krynn. And doing so during the course of those negotiations. Even Korp and I declined to steal the thunder from that agreement, at least until after it was revealed Abi had helped orchestrate Korp's perma kill.

I mean... If it was one of your drones I could understand. But how you don't see the issue in your monarch circumventing negotiations she helped arrange and agree to... What the ****?

And why the assaults on our reputations at every opportunity? None of us in this kingdom are liars, and thus far no evidence has been put forth to suggest we are. But time after time that's what you insist. Similarly with Bishop's "abuses" left and right.

Meanwhile, a half dozen examples of Abi lying to us have been presented... I can screen **** you our ingame forum with the original PMs where she claims to be good friend with our monarch (Korp) and says Octo "doesn't think very highly of us". There is a channel full of people with logs of the time she insisted retroactively that Krynn had no authority to make a deal with me. We've given ample logs & a PM regarding the perma kill stuff. And she's lied about other things as well, that I'm probably forgetting.

So what am I supposed to call you if not retarded, when you blindly follow Abi to slaughter to protect her reputation (which never existed to begin with)?

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Originally Posted by Pillz

Your and your kingdoms paranoia doesn't change the facts, which are that Samsung contacted Abi and then began killing us. He provided the PMs exchanged and his and his summary of events. And he did contact us once we began to stir and respond to his actions. Why, who can say

As for "she did nothing wrong", you have to be lacking something upstairs to not see he fault in our opponent's monarch communicating details of how to kill us to a random ass province 24 hours after she agreed to one-on-one negotiations between Bishop and Krynn. And doing so during the course of those negotiations. Even Korp and I declined to steal the thunder from that agreement, at least until after it was revealed Abi had helped orchestrate Korp's perma kill.

I mean... If it was one of your drones I could understand. But how you don't see the issue in your monarch circumventing negotiations she helped arrange and agree to... What the ****?

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I never said Abi did "nothing wrong". As a matter of fact, I implied the opposite - that both sides are at fault to some degree and that the fair term would be for both sides to apology if you really want to go that route.

This is getting repetitive and I'm tired of regurgitating the same explanation for the third time today. All you are doing is speculating. It's not some "random ass province", it's a province that reached out to her asking for explanation on how to become a monarch (again, on his own will, we have no part in his decision). You haven't brought anything new to the table, try again.

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And why the assaults on our reputations at every opportunity? None of us in this kingdom are liars, and thus far no evidence has been put forth to suggest we are. But time after time that's what you insist. Similarly with Bishop's "abuses" left and right.

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I never call you or anyone in your kingdom a liar. All I'm saying is that you have built a reputation of side-tracking from the real issue based on postulates backed by groundless assumptions.

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Meanwhile, a half dozen examples of Abi lying to us have been presented... I can screen **** you our ingame forum with the original PMs where she claims to be good friend with our monarch (Korp) and says Octo "doesn't think very highly of us".

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And this is relevant how? I don't know what Abi's intention was in saying that (could be a bluff, a typo, or numerous other reasons) but I fail to see how this plays into the issue of us deliberately refusing to move on from this conflict.

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There is a channel full of people with logs of the time she insisted retroactively that Krynn had no authority to make a deal with me.

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And how does this make Abi dishonest? Did Abi tell you that Krynn had an authority to make deals on his behalf before this happened? (honest question - I wasn't there to review the log)

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So what am I supposed to call you if not retarded

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If you are incapable of having a discussion without resorting to name-calling, it tells more about you. It could work in school playground but people get educated and learn the proper way to argue. Apparently you got left behind. Learn to argue.

This has gone on long enough....

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Originally Posted by Krynn

This has gone on long enough....

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Like 45 ages too long.

#Disband

Play nice pillz

Any tldr version?

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Originally Posted by Pillz

And why the assaults on our reputations at every opportunity? None of us in this kingdom are liars, and thus far no evidence has been put forth to suggest we are.

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I'm not sure what your exact definition of a liar would be but I've found Korp lying a few times in the past (about this conflict I wouldn't know).
As for evidence I'll use Bishop's: "Honestly, he lies." That's the norm set by you right?

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Originally Posted by Over

Any tldr version?

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Abi mouths off but can't handle the heat.
Bishop is still sticking to his authoritative arguments but he seems to be having fun so who cares.
Sheister is funny.
Rizen is king.
Steel is mad.

Probably forgot a few others but you get the gist of it.

Korp likes to twist people's words up but I've never seen him straight up lie about something. Like bragging about being in communication with someone he doesn't know...

And @ papa legba - what side issues? The in game issue is simple. You hit us, you're paying for it, and at no loss to us or our kingdom.

Utopia is about at meta as games come to subsequent issues like Abi's chronic lying and slander do play an important role in negotiating a settlement. Our offers are only 'extreme' on the acre side of things because they can be. You've made it clear you have no intention of losing face with an apology and we aren't going to let you walk away without paying a toll.

For Bishop that toll is razing into all your wars.
For some of us it has become a bit more final. Maybe you can keep a diary of it and DD can be posthumously famous like your girl Anne Frank, Idk.

From your initial diplo with sheister to your initial diplo with us your KD has over played its hand and now you're in a position where this will continue until you give in, you disband, or the game comes down.

I maintain our side has done nothing wrong, by the way.

"random ass province" is in reference to the fact he randomly landed in our kingdom while the wall was down. What he wanted or reached out to you for is irrelevant. You agreed, and Abi in particular, to bishop/Krynn talks. Abi directly and intentionally went around that by communicating with this random province.

You have no leg to stand on with your "passing down knowledge" bull**** since you have already revealed publicly how you deal with new provinces in your own kingdom.

Krynn was the one who said he had authority. So maybe Abi made a liar out of Krynn. Which is unfortunate, he seems like an OK fellow thrust in a bad position by worse friends.

Korp straight up lies about not hitting bigger KDs as a form of FSU page 36/37 of this thread for one, honestly.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Korp straight up lies about not hitting bigger KDs as a form of FSU page 36/37 of this thread for one, honestly.

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Meh, that's Korp's problem. And yours for actually finding it.. Bruh maybe you and Korp need counseling.

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Originally Posted by Pillz

Meh, that's Korp's problem. And yours for actually finding it.. Bruh maybe you and Korp need counseling.

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We ALL need counseling bruh.

You said you didn't have liars in your KD. I provide an aspect that might contradict that statement. Counseling? Nah already had a session; mom had me tested 100% sane :D

Lol someone stepped on the needle.

Is that an actual idiom? Couldn't find it on Google, I thought Google knew everything, are you pulling a fast one on me Sheister?

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Originally Posted by Sheister

try again and insert your actions and omissions. LOL!

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I don't have to. The claim is that RoO are completely blameless in all of this. It is only necessary to highlight the things you've done in order to debunk that claim. highlighting the errors I may have made during this is not required to show that we are not solely to blame.

I've already made admissions several times in this thread that I could have handled certain aspects differently. I have yet to see yourself, Korp or Bishop admit that any of you have done even the slightest thing wrong.

To hear you guys tell it, you're all little angels who were picked on by a big bully kingdom for no reason whatsoever. It's quite sad really.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Korp straight up lies about not hitting bigger KDs as a form of FSU page 36/37 of this thread for one, honestly.

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Could you provide a single instances where I am lying? But for example someone that lies would be like someone that claimed he would quit playing Utopia and stop visiting these forums but didnt do neither of those things. ;)


Oh I remember now, i asked for an example but you refuse to answer so you made some accusations but you had nothing to back it up with. You seem more butthurt than usual Matija, whats the problem want a hug?

I'd appreciate a hug, but not from a lying scumbag :/

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

I'd appreciate a hug, but not from a lying scumbag :/

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As suspected no factual arguments just slander. :)

You don't deserve any better :(

It doesnt have to reaping what you sow always. Just because you didnt trained up to be an athlete, doesnt mean its your fault when you couldnt dodge a car when someone who is drink driving steers one at your direction.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

You don't deserve any better :(

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You claim I lie but refuse to provide proof for your claims yet claim it's a fact. You just make yourself look dumber and dumber.

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Originally Posted by Korp

You claim I lie but refuse to provide proof for your claims yet claim it's a fact. You just make yourself look dumber and dumber.

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Look man, you are a genuinely terrible person which I've had the misfortune to witness for myself recently. I'm choosing to not get sucked into your terrible World. I used to entertain your trolling in the past because I thought you mean well deep down inside, but I was wrong. So from now on consider yourself ignored...

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Look man, you are a genuinely terrible person which I've had the misfortune to witness for myself recently. I'm choosing to not get sucked into your terrible World. I used to entertain your trolling in the past because I thought you mean well deep down inside, but I was wrong. So from now on consider yourself ignored...

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Yea I am the terrible person when I go accusing other people for being liars then refuse to say anything when confronted. Let's not forget that it was you that brought me up you chose to make malicious claims about me. Who's the terrible person in reality? It's funny how you react when I defend myself from your claims. cry about how in a horrible person, lol.

Knock it off.

Enough.

70 pages of non sense. Amazing

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Originally Posted by Korp

You claim I lie but refuse to provide proof for your claims yet claim it's a fact. You just make yourself look dumber and dumber.

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Mods? Srsly? No ban for this ???

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Originally Posted by MrCurious

Mods? Srsly? No ban for this ???

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What is it in there thats ban worthy, i fail to see it. :/

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Originally Posted by Rizen

70 pages of non sense. Amazing

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I think you mean 70 pages of awesomesauce