Game Needs More Good kds Competing

This may have already been mentioned in the many pages on this thread already, but something interesting...

Of the top10 KDs right now, only 2 of those Kingdoms have more than 2 wars under their belt this age.

Typical approach to top10 to just break cf, wave, Fort, build?

There is a serious meta to this game, the mechanics are available to everyone, and tried and true strategies are the obvious choice if you want to be top10. From all indicators from those there, the above would be the standard practice to take.

If you want to be top10, just follow that pattern.

I suppose I just like having a different kind of fun. Even wars, waves, polite banter between kingdoms, retal'ing. The Cold-War approach to the game just seems boring, imho, and from what it looks like...that's what you have to do to be a "top tier kd".

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Originally Posted by Persain

I know u post mostly to troll but just out of curiosity how did i confuse desire with ability/capability? I thought i split those up nicely. Not everyone who CAN do something chooses to do it.

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To prove capable of doing something you must therefore have done said something. To put it extremely politely, you're not capable. You're deluded.

gergoth i found some gold

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Originally Posted by Persain

I point to Simians, how many players have u had in your kd since age 53?my kd is at 29 different people and 22/25 we started with, personally that makes me happier than any crown could have.

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Simians was formed age4 all ready. Come back in 50 ages and speak with me Persain....... We see if your still standing after age #100 with your 22/25.
I point out that Simians had ages with a turnout of 8-10 players and other ages where no one left. Also we cycle a lot thru old members that come and go mainly because of life issues. You really wanna argue this with the oldest KD on the server that is still standing strong? We played in all kinds of styles and we fought pretty much everyone. Our key of surviving this long was to not make to many friends and keep game interesting with a great variety of gameplay. FSU, honor, WWs, combined, FSU again, Crown, raping KDs with orc setup only to WD min time a full age, 25 halflers, 25 humans, 25 orcs, t/m setup, 25 uds, the list of things we done and wars we had is super long. While you are a what, a few ages old only?

Dont speak with me about what it takes to keep a KD fun and surviving. We went thru hell and back in all kinds of setups, strategy and situations.

Last but not least i like to say that i think with all changes that been made most kds get more then well deserved time to slack. 75% of an age is made out of slacking. You just gotta know when to get active. A normal day takes no activity for any KD really.

I think you have a screw lose for this comment about Simians.

Talk to a wall instead or think about why all is disbanded except for my KD..

just wow Persian... Try to think before you comment about my KD and things you dont know.

k, no way im reading this whole thread but look at it this way.

1 group of people choose to ally themselves and divide and conquer everyone else. everyone else eventually organizes once in a blue moon because they get sick of it. sometimes when they organize they win, sometimes they don't. however, they never can sustain such a close alliance long term because they are all separate entities with their own goals/politics in mind.

i think this age in particular everyone who was half decent give it the old "f*ck it" card. if the top 3-5 kingdoms just wanna circle jerk all age and ally each other and actually have fun spamming the paradise button then that's their deal. i get to war. i get to have fun. i don't have to deal with as soon as getting land having to worry about politics or whatever shenanigans are going to come down the pipeline.

sure, the game "needs" competition. every game does. but make competing easier and more worthwhile than it is now. right now if you don't have friends you're food. im not even talking about the 24 other mates in your kingdom. you also need an additional what is it 75 mates just to have even terms (50 if you dont wanna count mercy)? then they all better be good and willing to cf each other no matter what - or also farm out to each other if needed or play as a singular entity. also that isn't even including all of the ongoing funkiness this age with kingdoms multi-ing, farming to friends, fake warring, etc. where mod reaction has been spotty at best. so f*ck it. if 1 entity of players wants to just have their own little house to themselves where they can dice all age they can have it.

Thank you sexual harassment panda. Well said.

I just remembered what made Utopia interesting are those 1 age servers like Genesis and trying new race/personality combos as the changes every age were usually not subtle at all and can really be felt.

The old 1 Age war server was also fun...forgot the name of that server (not Battlefields).

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Originally Posted by Persain

I know u post mostly to troll but just out of curiosity how did i confuse desire with ability/capability? I thought i split those up nicely. Not everyone who CAN do something chooses to do it.

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having faith in being able to do something, is not the same as actually being capable.

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Originally Posted by Anri

just wow Persian... Try to think before you comment about my KD and things you dont know.

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woa, it wasnt meant to be a dig on you. You guys currently have high turnover because you set high standards aiming to crown, rebuilding vice new players to aim for your goal. I only use u guys as an example because theres been alot of recent "public" turnover (i'd use sanc or rage as an example but their turnover isnt as well known as u guys right now). A lot of war kds stay war kds becuase they know they cant match the activity of the top age after age. One player is having a busy time they get sat every war that age. Doesnt mean they are "worse" it just means they accept certain flaws, and activity is one of the toughest things in the top. You're not "bad" because you stay small your activity level is just on a different requirements, and some kds put priority on keeping core players together instead of "wining". I'd point out The Raving Monks as an example of this. Not even in the top 100, <25 players yet their core remains unchanged for 20+ ages, nor did they have bad strategy the one time i warred them. Keeping that core together or keeping a kd like simians taged for 50+ ages is just as important to some as crowning to some people.

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Originally Posted by Realest

having faith in being able to do something, is not the same as actually being capable.

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Fair enough. I'd argue that knowing what to do and doing it are different. If simply being the best as u often claim you are then crowning every age you try instead of simply back to back wouldn't be an issue. No one claims Flogger or Jdorje arent capable yet they dont win every age. For example Brados comment

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Originally Posted by brado

To prove capable of doing something you must therefore have done said something. To put it extremely politely, you're not capable. You're deluded.

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is ignorant because he has no clue if I've crowned as a player or a leader. I'd argue that some of the war kds are capable their leaders are good enough to win a crown leading their current kds. Doesnt mean they are the "best", or that it'd happen in age 1, but they aren't horribly worse than some of the kds that have made the "top" in the past.

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Originally Posted by Palem

If it meant my kd was going to improve, absolutely. I'd be happy to help my kicked players find new homes if they want my help.
Activity: 7=>8
Desire: 3=>7
Capability:9=> 9
How is that not an improvement?

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Ability/capability doesn't go up. You learn new things every war/age its naive to think growing "big" and competing for the "crown" will teach more than staying small and waring. And simply filling a kd with the most active people who want to win the most doesnt mean your "better" it just means u have more time to devote to the game. Knowing you'll lose a war simply because of activity is half the reason why some war kds have trouble finding war. For example would i war CanWe again? Sure, would i do so over Christmas, no.

I think u'd find that plenty of kds wouldn't kick players simply because someone "better" wants in. Doesnt make them worse, just means they enjoy the game differntly.

dbl pst oops

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Originally Posted by Persain

woa, it wasnt meant to be a dig on you, u guys have high turnover because you set high standards, i only use u guys as an example because theres been alot of "recent" turnover. Alot of war kds stay war kds becuase they know they cant match the activity of the top age after age. One player is having a busy time they get sat for that age. Doesnt mean they are "worse" it just means they accept certain flaws, and activity is one of the toughest things in the top. You're not worse because you stay small your acitivity level is just on a differnt standard.


Fair enough. I'd argue that knowing what to do and doing it are different. If simply being the best as u often claim you are then crowning every age you try instead of simply back to back wouldn't be an issue. No one claims Flogger or Jdorje arent capable yet they dont win every age. For example Brados comment
is ignorant because he has no clue if i've crowned as a player or leader. I'd argue that some of the war kds are capable their leaders are good enough to win a crown. Doesnt mean they are the "best" but they aren't horribly worse than some of the kds that have made the "top" in the past.

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But I do win every age I play. This is a proven fact, time and time again, and not Persain, absalom, nor anybody can really do anything to stop it. It's further cemented by the fact that I am the last b2b crown winner to grace this server. The current state of the game does not provide me with a worthy peer to mobilize and play again.

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Originally Posted by Sheister

that is true, the soldiers did help with the desertions, but every dwarf core I fought then had the problem of still being very open every time they had to send out (as they naturally preserved their elites first) and things just kept getting worse for them. I found it very simple to force them into a lower tier NW group and let them stagnate there being outgained by orcs that had been chained. Four chained orcs easily controlled 8 chained dwarves.

I can't comment on differences of play. I only fought BiO and some other KDs ranked in the 20's and 10's. But overall, yeah, the soldier desertion preservation was in some ways "helpful". OTOH, I wonder if in some ways it would, by retention of NW hurt the "lazy wave style" of many war KDs where there are more late wavers than in the KD's that BiO, BB, et al usually war. The retention of NW helps later gaining provinces (probably not enough to worry about is my guess).

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Blindly going with the "lets save my elites and release my specs" was probably the difference then. We kept armies rather balanced and kept a higher defense home to try prevent those further and deeper chains with leftover armies.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

I see GotCha's point although there are not a lot of news reporters around and the ones that are tend to only focus on top wars. Its not their fault though if that's all they're interested in. They do not really get paid or anything it is all voluntary.

Gotcha, your Monarch can post war summaries etc in the forum himself can't he Bishop? Stats don't show Bias-ness

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Go have a look, tell me how many top wars are on page 1. Yea that's right, there is no such thing as "tend to only focus on top wars" ;)
Recently there is just lack of active reporters, it has nothing to do with preferences as to which wars are being reported.

Furthermore, I have yet to see a large pile of kingdoms request a report to be written on the IRC channel. Once a while someone pops in and ask but overall there isn't much requests.

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Originally Posted by Elitbg

Realest just troll for free. He is retired long ago and not lead any top kd atm.

about "sissy girls." part is not true too. If you compete in WW/Honor chart most like you wont have any CF or very few. If you compete in land chart there is 4-5 kds total. You can war them yr 4-5 or war them yr 9-10. But you wont war them yr5 8 and 10 how none from WW/honor kds war same kd 2-3 wars per age. Its why land based kds make CF+notice deals.

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Well, seriously, who the hell cares about WW? WW always only mattered to those guys who used to go for Honour crowns(again, who cares), and kds who wanted a break from the real competition. And ofc, nub kds. :)

People LIKE Realest still play, and they destroy any hopes of cooperation. Instead, they make CF deals. LOL. Filthy said the same thing when he came back a for a short while, what kind of Absalomite or Realest came up with such an idiotic idea? It takes the fun out of everything when you can see everything coming. This was one major reason why I didn't want to come back.

To illustrate:

I once ran a large alliance called RAngers on Genesis, consisting of quite a number of players and kds. The alliance hit down the highest kd/prov on the charts and then started on the next one, and so on. In the end, the alliance was so powerful and big that our big provs (Xerxes, Topwolf and myself) along with other provs on the charts + our kds had no one to attack. It got boring, there were simply no targets because we eliminated or allied them all.

That is what WoL is like today. It's boring. The difference is that we realised it and did something about it; much of the community today doesn't realise it.

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Originally Posted by Palem

So back in the day when your friends won you won? Wow. I didn't know that the basic logic and definition behind the term "winning" has changed so very drastically. Do I get to share Syntico's crowns? He was my friend for a while. He even won his crowns in the time of Yore when having friends win was the same as winning.

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So you answer with the exact same post as you did a few pages back?

I'll say it again, you have no clue, you did not play back then. For 40 ages I fought Absalom whilst you were rotting away in some ghetto or not playing at all. Mostly losing, a few smaller victories, although ABS definitively won hard in the long run, even corrupting what was left of HaLL.

And lol, it's funny you should mention friends to a person who rarely was without a handful of Rangers. You know, you can achieve a lot with 2-3 top killers and a handful of support provs.


Btw, back then we didn't CF everyone and have to give notice to attack, so it was easier to actually do something other than being bored to death, but you wouldn't know. ^^

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Originally Posted by sexual harassment panda

also that isn't even including all of the ongoing funkiness this age with kingdoms multi-ing, farming to friends, fake warring, etc. where mod reaction has been spotty at best.

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Such as? Did you report it?