Game Needs More Good kds Competing

[gergnub]

this thread is golden. all i can say.

[Elit]

this thread is golden. all i can say.

All i can say is alredy found Palem true motives for create this topic.
He want more kds to go 25 FA and compete him!

[Persain]

This is poor reasoning. Attacking a kd to try and further yourself towards the crown is one thing. Actively sabotaging another kd with no actual, positive goal in mind for yourself only leads to making very serious enemies with very legitimate complaints about yourself. There's playing competitively and then there's playing like an asshole and I don't believe that's a line that is necessary to cross.

Positive goal in mind for TFC is acres, try competing u dont have to wait untill someone hits u to get a cf. For example my kd hit u 4 times over 2 days before we offered a cf. There are other options instead of waiting for us to cf u or someone else to attack you. As useless feary attackers you could have 1 suiciding feary warrior to attack and started endlessly oping us untill u get a free no retal wave EOA from basically ANYONE. Its exactly how MOST top kds play why not try it yourself and not just get big by try to "win". Sure you'll fail, yo might not do better than u do charting but you actually compete. Or is running 20% hostpials, 10% banks, 25% GS, 15% guilds 10% Towers 7% Farms 13% TD oop and specfically targeting EACH kd in order above you in nw range untill they give you acres gonna make "very serious enemies" just like every non abs kd "HATES" abs. Lead by example Palem TFC was at its best last age losing wars at least u guys were seeing how to actually war v just siting big hopping no one attacks you.

Come to think of it, those have been some of the most fun ages, so maybe we should encourage this behavior. Bye-bye rage!

Lead the revolt, recruit kds to be your puppets in a a-abs hoard and set them off in the right path and see what happens. Better yet kick HoH out of abs and have them lead the way then u only need 2 kds for a 1v1 and 3-4 kds to make real competition if u guys really are the best :P

[Darkz Azn]

how do you kick the one that aren't in to be kicked?

[brado]

this thread is golden. all i can say.

wheres the gold? i dont see any

[American Badass]

If you have limited resources, which they have, it stands to reason you prioritise articles based on "importance".

"I see GotCha's point although there are not a lot of news reporters around and the ones that are tend to only focus on top wars. Its not their fault though if that's all they're interested in."

Hence me seeing a problem and suggesting an answer for him or his Monarch to do there own summaries and posts them.

=)

[flutterby]

How many wars do you see that involves kingdoms outside the top 20 written up by the news team? It wasn't a dig, why be so defensive.

When both sides fail to cooperate, we have no news. When is the last article you've seen posted?

[gergnub]

wheres the gold? i dont see any

thats no surprise when talking about you!

[Palem]

Guess if we go next age 25 FA we can become factor and make real competition with you:P

A Faery Server! :D

I'm telling you to start by improving your own kingdom and drop your silly 25 faeries ;p
You refuse to drop your 25 faeries because that was the reason you built TFC. Others might refuse to grow to bigger sizes because that wasn't the reason they built their kingdom. Get my point now?

Not really no. I have every intention of making TFC as good as we can possibly get with me at the helm. Eventually I'll either achieve that, or want to start a new, "real" kd. Either way TFC was born out of a bunch of things I "couldn't" do. First I couldn't find 24 other people as stupid as I am to play in an all faery kd. Then it was TFC couldn't avoid getting farmed. Then it was TFC couldn't win a war. Now it's TFC can't compete. I have EVERY intention of attempting each of those challenges, whether I fail or not. That's all I'm asking from everyone else. Try.

No-one ever said you can't but I don't think you realize what it takes to achieve that. Absalom can't really do it (I think) because they will not war each other (understandable) and there just isn't enough competitive kingdoms to have 4-5 wars with in an age. A non-Abs kingdom could (as you have several other top competition to fight against) but judging from last age it's very time consuming and takes a lot of effort.

Ringa-ding-ding. That's why this thread is here.

You have no idea because you weren't around when I played, you're relatively new. I noticed you here only in my final ages when I played in what was then called HaLL of Heroes. You have no clue, you didn't play back then, or you played in ghettoes.

So back in the day when your friends won you won? Wow. I didn't know that the basic logic and definition behind the term "winning" has changed so very drastically. Do I get to share Syntico's crowns? He was my friend for a while. He even won his crowns in the time of Yore when having friends win was the same as winning.

25 Faeries would be a fine setup, if their ops raised meter so they cant avoid warring like you guys do palem.

We don't avoid warring. We avoid losing situations. Just like every other kd does. Get us into a situation where we can win the war and we'll war.

Palem what you mean is that we could have waved rage 2 weeks into the game. Yes that is true. Couldve warred? Nothing is guaranteed... perhaps they wanted to grow / pump / whatever. And the mere fact that you have a short window to war ONE kd. Depending on the outcome of the politics around it or if you get a "bad" war (the one we got with pewpew) then you are falling behind and have to wait until next age to get a chance to war the kd's you wish to war...

As a kd who didnt go top to compete for crowns (we competed for war-wins even before ww-chart was introduced) i personally do no think its worth waiting until next age to "perhaps" if we play our diplo cards right get a war in the beginning.

If you make things happen, they will happen.

For the exact same reasons TFC play WE play. And that is fun. I do not think a vast majority of the players in utopia arent having fun. But basically your post is saying that the majority ARENT having fun unless they go competetive. Some thing that prot so clearly is trying to explain to you that you are NOT doing.

Everyone in the game plays for fun. However, it is absolutely, 100% in the realm of possibility that there are undiscovered ways of having fun that people aren't doing. It's like a kid that likes throwing snowballs, but hasn't realized that you can build forts and stuff with it too and organize these really awesome, epic snowball fights with bases and such.

That said, if you make fun happen, fun will happen. Who cares if you try and war Rage but you end up warring Sanctuary instead? Odds are Rage will just try and jump on you if you're still in range when you're done with Sanctuary. The current top politics are in place because that's the system that works best for the people who are there. If there were say 12 really good kds competing and 8 of those kds were not interested in contributing to those politics, then it wouldn't do too much good for the other kds to keep conducting themselves in such a way.

Change begets change.

Positive goal in mind for TFC is acres, try competing u dont have to wait untill someone hits u to get a cf. For example my kd hit u 4 times over 2 days before we offered a cf. There are other options instead of waiting for us to cf u or someone else to attack you. As useless feary attackers you could have 1 suiciding feary warrior to attack and started endlessly oping us untill u get a free no retal wave EOA from basically ANYONE. Its exactly how MOST top kds play why not try it yourself and not just get big by try to "win". Sure you'll fail, yo might not do better than u do charting but you actually compete. Or is running 20% hostpials, 10% banks, 25% GS, 15% guilds 10% Towers 7% Farms 13% TD oop and specfically targeting EACH kd in order above you in nw range untill they give you acres gonna make "very serious enemies" just like every non abs kd "HATES" abs. Lead by example Palem TFC was at its best last age losing wars at least u guys were seeing how to actually war v just siting big hopping no one attacks you.

Again, you have no real insight to the workings of TFC. You seem to lack the ability to think outside the box, whether that's good or bad. We conduct things differently than MOST kds because
1. We're in a very different setup than EVERY kd.
2. That's not the way I like to lead.

[Persain]

Again, you have no real insight to the workings of TFC. You seem to lack the ability to think outside the box, whether that's good or bad. We conduct things differently than MOST kds because
1. We're in a very different setup than EVERY kd.
2. That's not the way I like to lead.

Yup that's very true your kds runs differently than most. So why say those kds need to do something different to evolve. Not everyone plays the game JUST to win a "crown", sometimes its about what acceptable level of requirements do u place on kd members to have fun.

It ties right in with

I have every intention of making TFC as good as we can possibly get with me at the helm. Eventually I'll either achieve that, or want to start a new, "real" kd. Either way TFC was born out of a bunch of things I "couldn't" do. First I couldn't find 24 other people as stupid as I am to play in an all faery kd. Then it was TFC couldn't avoid getting farmed. Then it was TFC couldn't win a war. Now it's TFC can't compete. I have EVERY intention of attempting each of those challenges, whether I fail or not. That's all I'm asking from everyone else. Try.

How good are u willing to make it. If all the "best" players (whoever they are) in utopia asked to join TFC under your leadership would u kick weaker players to make TFC better?

To build a "top" kd that can compete u need like 3 things. 1. Activity 2. Desire 3. Capablility. Most "war" kds have enough of #3, and then chose to balance #1 and #2 together in a way that makes them "war" kds so they can have fun. For example looking at TFC as an outsider you guys lack capability, you simply cant compete due to race choice. Its not an insults its a choice you guys made in capability "for fun." Other "war" kds have capable leaders, but make their "for fun" choice due to activity/desire. I can easily look around and say I’ve seen ~20 kds that could "compete." probubly not win but compete in the way u want via the OP. These kds have leadership in the form of either “1 man” (flogger+support), a small council (like simians) or by mass chaos (like my kd, 15+people run our kd and only level of participation dictates your say), Yet all but 4-5 accept some slack.

I look at Cats for example they slack on Desire. Being able to relax in protection, look for war have 4-5 days of super activity, leave utopia for 3 days, come back…log in once a day, then schedule a wave/get waved=>4-5 days of activity is a different style than the “top” and its one that fits their desire of the game differently. PewPew for example slacked on activity; they had it amazing for 24-48 hours and couldn’t keep it up. I know if waring rage/sanc/pulse even simians at its best those activity issues shouldn’t happen.

Telling people to "grow" and get "better" isn't gonna help because kds like FS/Cats are arguably better than Sanc/Rage they just arent willing to burn players out for 3 months, they've figured out a style that matches their desire to be "good" and their activity level commitments to the game. Accepting you’re not goanna “win” the nw crown for whatever reason is what keeps a kd together, and players in the game. I point to Simians, how many players have u had in your kd since age 53…my kd is at 29 different people and 22/25 we started with, personally that makes me happier than any crown could have.

[Realest]

it continues to amuse me that nubs confuse "desire" with ability. Most normal males would love to date prime Jessica Alba (desire), but not everyone can be Cash Warren (ability). Instead, they are stuck with <insert random average chick here>

Know the difference. You are only small and pathetic because you can't cut it up top.

[Persain]

it continues to amuse me that nubs confuse "desire" with ability. Most normal males would love to date prime Jessica Alba (desire), but not everyone can be Cash Warren (ability). Instead, they are stuck with <insert random average chick here>

Know the difference. You are only small and pathetic because you can't cut it up top.

I know u post mostly to troll but just out of curiosity how did i confuse desire with ability/capability? I thought i split those up nicely. Not everyone who CAN do something chooses to do it.

[Palem]

How good are u willing to make it. If all the "best" players (whoever they are) in utopia asked to join TFC under your leadership would u kick weaker players to make TFC better?

If it meant my kd was going to improve, absolutely. I'd be happy to help my kicked players find new homes if they want my help.

So why say those kds need to do something different to evolve. Not everyone plays the game JUST to win a "crown", sometimes its about what acceptable level of requirements do u place on kd members to have fun.

To build a "top" kd that can compete u need like 3 things. 1. Activity 2. Desire 3. Capablility. Most "war" kds have enough of #3, and then chose to balance #1 and #2 together in a way that makes them "war" kds so they can have fun. For example looking at TFC as an outsider you guys lack capability, you simply cant compete due to race choice. Its not an insults its a choice you guys made in capability "for fun." Other "war" kds have capable leaders, but make their "for fun" choice due to activity/desire. I can easily look around and say I’ve seen ~20 kds that could "compete." probubly not win but compete in the way u want via the OP. These kds have leadership in the form of either “1 man” (flogger+support), a small council (like simians) or by mass chaos (like my kd, 15+people run our kd and only level of participation dictates your say), Yet all but 4-5 accept some slack.

Let's play a fun game and assign values to each of those 3 categories (not that I necessarily agree with them or anything, but just for arguments sake).

Since you brought them up, let's use the silly kitties. They are prolly something like
Activity: 7
Desire: 3
Capability: 9

Now, if next age, REGARDLESS of any success or failures they may have, if they would demonstrate something like the following

Activity: 8
Desire: 7
Capability: 9

How is that not an improvement?

You seem to be under the impression that there's some sort of hard cap on these things or that if you WANT to win "too much" that suddenly you're not having fun(?). You don't need to "balance" anything in terms of these three things. You should WANT to do better. You should WANT to be active. You should WANT to be skilled. It's not like, well we're REALLY good and REALLY active, so that means we're not allowed to care otherwise we're not having fun. I'm sure you didn't intend for your argument to sound that ridiculous, but it is.

it continues to amuse me that nubs confuse "desire" with ability.

Desire breeds ability.
Michael Jordan was cut from his school's basketball team because he wasn't good enough. He wanted to be better, worked on his skills and became the greatest.

[DM_Benjamin]

Desire breeds ability.
Michael Jordan was cut from his school's basketball team because he wasn't good enough. He wanted to be better, worked on his skills and became the greatest.

Clearly Dikembe Mutombo was the best ever

[fwordz]

Since you brought them up, let's use the silly kitties. They are prolly something like
Activity: 7
Desire: 3
Capability: 9

Now, if next age, REGARDLESS of any success or failures they may have, if they would demonstrate something like the following

Activity: 8
Desire: 7
Capability: 9

How is that not an improvement?

How is desire a 1-dimentional value?

Atleast make it something like:

Activity: [4 , 7 , 9] (wave activity, overall activity, peak activity)
Desire: [3 , 8 , 10] (Desire to compeet for crown, Desire to war anything anytime, Desire to spam War forums)
Capability: [7 , 8, 10] (Individual Capability, Micro Cap, Macro Cap)

No clue if this is even close to fitting numbers, anyway the point is, you can rank Desire on a scale from 1 to 10 and say "having 10 in desire makes you pro". People have different interests, different things they desire. Who are you to judge what is the better choise?