Kygal you can always wd the mutal cf! Why dont our 2 kds war to decide the age :P
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Kygal you can always wd the mutal cf! Why dont our 2 kds war to decide the age :P
Its complete wrong view Palem. None forced Havoc to wave in very clear active hostile. If they wanted to get his 1vs1 war with us was easy to tell sanctuary to stay away from us or propose CF from us. There is huge difference if Sanctuary asked for CF and we refuse it for wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
After Sanctuary robed from us we dont had other choice from wave them. After one from our cow loss all his gold there is no way for him to get ready for Havoc in 48h when Sanctuary can keep rob him/us same time. Sanctuary robed from our core provinces with tpa+cs too. Wave on Sanctuary was correct move and i will make same again if situation is same.
In this situation is main wrong Havoc. Sanctuary is wrong for coordinate his double hostile. If Sanctuary made "mistake" with start mess with us they was free to propose proper terms so we can CF them or just war us again. All this 12h no hits (when we had 48h full hostile+dragon+cow hits+attack time is over 12h!!!) and get cf propose+instant CF break from Havoc+ dragon+hit for less 30 sec show clear its was arranged in advance from both kds.
There is no excuse for all this ****s. Only goodz get credits for fair admit it and dont give BS excuses.
That would require Absalom losing an AWAR. Which has yet to happen...Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
sry to derail the thread from blackmails...but this is in the same vein
The only real way to "win against ABS would be to go 2v1/kd with 1 extra float. Lets say HoH leads the charge next age, know 6 other kds willing to spend multiple ages to beat down abs till it disbands. At least 2 of those kds have to be able to whore early age and not get horribly owned even w/support in the oop war. Requirements include no desire to crown, no desire for a fair 1v1 fight, multiple age commitment to bashing "ABS". This means defining who abs is..is it just the leaders right now...if they split up u may need to do the same for more kds to help you? Point is u got 6 other kds+hoh willing to do that or is it more fun to whine on the forums that a new "strategy" has formed that wont let people bottom feed very hard. I'd rather see every kd retal all randoms+ threaten to farm out next age and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion
For what its worth this threatening to farm out is a cop-out way to not give up acres, it is NOT hard to get an EOA CF from w/out giving acres if you kd isnt gonna be in competition for top 5. There are much better ways to deal w/kds who just want a few acres.
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Originally Posted by KyGal
ASF is correct there. HoH had noting with AMA decision to CF Rage. I know Proteus propose from HoH to not extend his CF deal with AMA till we CF Rage but this never was problem for me. Our deal with HoH wen you propose early extend CF for not get vulture after your second war is: HoH will extend CF with AMA if we propose it before our war with Sanctuary. So HoH cant refuse it, because its part from our last deal terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
I just let Proteus think he can stop HoH from CF us and when he got CF from AMA i made Proteus ask HoH for extend his CF with AMA so he can feel important ;)
ABS would have to work hard to be the bottom of the barrel people don't like them and haven't for as long as i have played uto that is because people are jealous and always hate the bigger guys. but HOH plays dirty and so that crown you own the bottom of the barrel and deserve that title!Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
An anti-abs alliance would provide the same service that the abs alliance currently serves. Keep others away from crown contention and put your own kds in position to crown. It's existence or usefulness is only slightly connected with abs existence. If say abs were to dissolve, the alliance itself could continue to exist in the same bane that abs exists without any other competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
What's wrong with a couple of superpowers? There are more than a few reasons to have more alliances, even just for recruiting farms. players get tired, bored, a life. Hell, run gladiator kingdoms for alliance pleasure.
The problem appears to be intelligent people making deals they can't count on working as perceived. This is just small print lawyer business which I think the main players have admitted. A kingdoms got to know it's limits. If you knew 10 weeks ago that you'd be outgunned today you wouldn't be wishing for a time machine. I'm not trying to be rude, just relax with decisions made. I have to respect the vision of said kingdom to finish in this position of strength and not having to war.
Mansoor's notice expired the same time ours did. We wanted to wave SWEA before we knew you did as well. When we found out this is when the topic of "dibs" came out, because contrary to what you say, Abs does call dibs and we usually respect it. The 2nd fight between havoc and ama was a "dibs" rule. The fight between Cats and Sanc was a "dibs" rule. Those were all kds in range that we had considered and talked about waving at the time when you guys called dibs on them. I know this for a fact, you cannot convince me otherwise.
The legacy thing I still find your attempt at plausible deniability quite funny as you say it was "our choice".
Legacy: Hit us and we farm out to Rage
Rage: We wouldn't do that
Us: Okay well let's CF Legacy since we don't have much of a choice...
Rage 2 weeks later: Waves Legacy for "different reasons"
How is that any different from you saying to MW "Yep we will CF you as long as the other Abs/HoH doesn't hit you...if they do you owe us tons of acres". Then we just later wave them and if you guys try to claim your acres they just raze retal you and say "Oh we do want to give you your acres, but what we're doing now is 2 weeks later and for different reasons".
PS to all: We have EoA NAP with Abs so we will not be waving any Abs kd. Rage did offer us to war but as ASF said that would not be fair as they are far more outpumped than we are. Rage has definitely had an easier age than we have and have had time to pump as Sages. We were specifically asked not to go Sage this age from Abs because we did it last time and they didn't want to keep "fighting our battles for us", so we didn't go Sage and then after that we found out Rage did...hmmmm interesting. Anyway, on side note, people saying just wave/beat Rage are kind of Retarded as it is a war we would be guaranteed to lose and just farm out giving Rage the clear win.
May the best kd win.
How many 'anti-abs' alliances have tried and failed? And if abs were to dissolve how would this 'anti-abs' alliance not become the new 'abs'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Palem doesn't play for HoH, but you're free to elaborate on what it is that you think HoH has done that was dirty by comparison to what abs or anti-abs has done. HoH lately has proven themselves, imo, to be one of the most reasonable kingdoms in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEjester
This is another misunderstanding. This isn't really a thread to talk about an anti-abs alliance and what it would entail, though, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Because the point of aabs is to make sure abs doesn't crown. they would not hesitate to disband/war each other if abs either disbanded or were completely out of the crown race.Quote:
Originally Posted by flutterby
Some people will obviously dislike Abs just because they're better. But A LOT of people dislike Abs because of the twofaced bastards they are and the dirty dickish moves they pull. For example the 2v1 double hostile against MA and the twofaced claims by ASF that Abs is all about 1v1 and fair play while at the same time Havoc is busy double hostileing MA. That sort of behavior is what really makes a lot of people dislike Abs. I have no problem when someone wins because of skill or luck, suck as HoH which played mostly fair this age and did so very well, they caught a few lucky breaks that made their age easier such as the ABS gang-up on MA which definitely benefited HoH a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEjester
I'm not so sure, power corrupts and there is strength in numbers. They would probably just become the new Abs, or they would disband for an age and then somone would form a new equivalent of Abs the next age.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamin
My only hope in that if Abs disbands and something else takes it's place is that that something is more fairer and less prone to ganging up on the competition, but I have my doubts that that would happen, power corrupts.
Then anti-abs is a failure. So does this mean HoH is part of aabs now?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamin
a-abs never achieves its goal lol - age in age out theres some anti abs team which sets out to stop abs but in the end selfish BS gets in their wayQuote:
Originally Posted by jamin
no mater what people think about abs, they are utopia - longest known presence in the game atm.
sh*t makes me saD.
When I was in anti abs they were really dirty! But it could be entirely different now. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jamin
Bishop says you can say ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by KuhaN
Idk, how many times has Abs failed to crown? Last time I can recall an honest anti-abs push was Age 50 (I think) and that worked out well for them with Dreams crowning.Quote:
Originally Posted by flutterby
I think it's an appropriate place to so. Kygal seems to be suggesting that something needs to be done about these shady backdoor deals and farming out to kds. One solution is a counterbalance to Abs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezzerland
Less prone to ganging up on competition? lol. As much as the forums like to spin things, abs really doesn't do too many things that put them in the wrong. The thing with MA was bad by all parts, but I'm not sure where else the argument stems from. When a solo kd tries to crown, and they have to war abs+hoh back to back to back to back, that's not abs being bullies, that's the nature of the beast and the reality of an incredibly shallow pool of competition. Have more kds actually trying and these kind of issues are non-existent.Quote:
My only hope in that if Abs disbands and something else takes it's place is that that something is more fairer and less prone to ganging up on the competition, but I have my doubts that that would happen, power corrupts.
Stick to moderating. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. The moderator star does not make you any more credible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
kygal's just saying rage and sanc are ****ty and nobody should deal with them.
Actually they are doing it, just make it "proper" to can keep his image more clean. For example this age standard offer ABS made to few kds early on age was CF till you are 70% range after it 48h notice. Its clear you cant declare war or fight real with 30% bigger kd. This way they can keep legit all competitors smaller and stop them from grow. With terms like it is easy for ABS to promote fair 1vs1 play and keep good image :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Sure its not only ABS fault this terms, for deal need 2 sides and when new (for land chart) kd become bigger its easy to get trick and accept bad deal. For example Pew Pew refuse all this kind terms and made deal for 90% range. Its was proper deal but they had chances to war with any setup different from sage and ABS let Pew Pew "choice" to war only Rage. Why they cant war Havoc or HoH after his explore? There wont be any reset if they had real choice to pick his opponent.
Another example is Havoc this age. After our 1st war they contacted us and asked for CF after we told what terms they droped any offer. Same time HoH contacted AMA and proposed war with us. Based to both Havoc amd HoH land size AMA had chances in war vs hoh because we had similar size provs but had zero chances in war vs 4 cows in Havoc vs 0 cows AMA. We contacted Havoc and asked them for CF us because we want to war hoh, answer was they wont CF us and wont let us war hoh.
So Havoc not only double hostile us this age: because its unfair for them to keep hold till our hostile end with sanc and we recover from it, But decide: its not fair to let us war HoH and this way block both kds from have any legit and fair shot for n1 after all double hostile. Its pure **** play but you wont see ABS loss face from it in forum.
ABS can be very cool and polite with you till you are small but moment when you become competitor for them its all change and they show his "bad" side. Last 2 ages every time when ABS kd propose CF from us/Polar Bears we gave them it instant and you cant see any post in forum how "lame and dirty i'm" but when we become competitors for them you see how active become Proteus and ASF talking bad for me. Do you see this age forum full with stories for Flogger? You can be sure if BB is strong next age there will be many stories again how lame is Flogger. Its how ABS play "clean", they put his propaganda to make his competitors look bad and after it ABS make ****s (like double hostile this age us) and put some lame excuses for clean his image.
All term "aabs" is incorrect too. Its not black and white only.
You should Vendetta Havoc next age. IMO.
The amount of QQ that takes place on these boards for this being a male-dominated game is amazing. Grow a pair, man up, and STFU. Besides KyGal, who actually is a female, I hope, rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves FFS.
I'd love to see more kd's make an attempt to go for the top to make the server more interesting or perhaps more wars early age with less CF's not letting kd's get a gap/safe spread on everyone early age. Or take you're one shot while you have it and wave a top 3 kd early that's fat and juicy.
Maybe shortening the ages to 10 weeks, 5 ages per year or give longer war wd periods and make it possible for kd's to explore during war wd and pump so you can go war pump war. Grow some provs while in wd so you can keep up with kd's pumping killers to get the upper hand on you. Nerf science, 20 prov kingdoms to help out having more competitive kd's or something anyways to promote wars whatever that might be.
I enjoy wars and some ages are better then others. I miss playing on a server that 8-10 wars were doable in an age.
Phoenix you remind me of my wife's chihuahua. Best bring the Pitbull Proteus
QQ is the name of the game!Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion
You remind of the stuff I wiped off my shoe this morning. Go QQ more...Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Pete
There would be 4 ABs kingdoms then :OQuote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Pete
I read ASF's interview and he said ABs was formed to stop people being bullied (Just their "friends"?) but I am sure now that "ABs" is not needed and if a kingdom stepped out of line the "t10" could stop exploring for 1 day to raze kill the culprit/s? Obviously if people do not contribute and use this as an advantage to grow etc then they would not be helped if they cried wolf in future?
It would open the top up and instantly produce more competitive kds and allow others a chance to not constantly get vultured all age long?
could have avoided the bottomfeed battle by allowing elit to stay viable, but it was too likely they would have lost of they did that. So if it was decided in YR8 or whatever to double elit out of the way, the abs kds should have been arranging wars amongst themselves to determine a victor 2 months ago opposed to seeing who gets to farm who first. A little confused myself as to why no one noticed us for a few weeks as we were left the largest.
Huh? Why? ZZ fought Pulse for a crown after Pulse had kicked Sanc out of the race iirc. At the same time there was OldSkool, who then won the NW crown while Pulse took land crown.Quote:
Originally Posted by flutterby
The point of the non-abs kingdoms who compete against Abs is primarily to not **** with each-other because it would benefit Abs. If say you have 4 Abs kingdoms and 4 individual non-abs kingdoms competing and the 4 non-abs fight each other, it's only beneficial to Abs. Abs can whore/dice/pump while they fight. Result is Abs forming a block against the other 4 when they're done fighting and powerplay them.
If there was no Abs competition, these kingdoms wouldn't mind to fight each other which has been shown a number of times in the paste.
Perhaps explain why you think the above is fail?
Some people you can describe as stupid but for you, there is no description. You're telling people to stop complaining yet the amount of garbage and nonsense you have posted lately is mind-blowing. How about you stfu yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion
Whatever garbage you mean I barely post on the forums. People spend more time QQ'ing like a bunch of little school-kids instead of acting. Some people you can describe as stupid, you. Telling people to man up, grow some balls, and act would only be offensive to those that are the problem. Now go hide in a hole somewhere...Quote:
Originally Posted by prot
People should just ignore ABs. They'd soon get bored pumping all age winning crowns against each other as they'll become pointless. Just say the "real" number 1 spot is rank 4/5 (if hoh leaves) This way we can all have fun warring each other. It's pointless warring ABs from yr 6 onwards after the insane science pumping they are able to do. We can treat ABs like a natural disaster (tornado) sweeping through destroying the lands of whomever is 4/5th.
They'd soon get bored.
the real number 1 spot is 1. up your game or gtfo, simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
maybe Kuhan is just self censoring because he is a stand up guy. And would do it regardless of the boss man and his rulesQuote:
Originally Posted by flutterby
guess notQuote:
Originally Posted by KuhaN
@Palem You need to get your butt on IRC.
When did that happen last? In current history, non-abs taking the crown is still rare. Non-abs taking the top three is non-existent. So it happening without any regularity to me, is failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by prot
Why? I have no problems with Abs. So, why should I ignore them? Because the majority of the server can't do what they can? Or worse, they complain about them and can't do a thing to stop them.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Did I hit a soft spot?Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion
Age 48.Quote:
Originally Posted by flutterby
Non-Abs winning happens still regular. If you look back say 10 ages:
Age 47: Sanctuary of Absalom
Age 48: OldSkool(NW) / Pulse(Land)
Age 49: Fratzia
Age 50: Dreams
Age 51: HaLL of Heroes
Age 52: Rage of Absalom
Age 53: BiO
Age 54: HaLL of Heroes
Age 55: Beastblood
Age 56: Sanctuary of Absalom
Seems pretty even between Abs and non-abs ?