Blackmail for cf's...

[Ezzerland]

ABS would have to work hard to be the bottom of the barrel people don't like them and haven't for as long as i have played uto that is because people are jealous and always hate the bigger guys. but HOH plays dirty and so that crown you own the bottom of the barrel and deserve that title!

Palem doesn't play for HoH, but you're free to elaborate on what it is that you think HoH has done that was dirty by comparison to what abs or anti-abs has done. HoH lately has proven themselves, imo, to be one of the most reasonable kingdoms in the game.

An anti-abs alliance would provide the same service that the abs alliance currently serves. Keep others away from crown contention and put your own kds in position to crown. It's existence or usefulness is only slightly connected with abs existence. If say abs were to dissolve, the alliance itself could continue to exist in the same bane that abs exists without any other competition.

This is another misunderstanding. This isn't really a thread to talk about an anti-abs alliance and what it would entail, though, is it?

[jamin]

How many 'anti-abs' alliances have tried and failed? And if abs were to dissolve how would this 'anti-abs' alliance not become the new 'abs'?

Because the point of aabs is to make sure abs doesn't crown. they would not hesitate to disband/war each other if abs either disbanded or were completely out of the crown race.

[Elldallan]

ABS would have to work hard to be the bottom of the barrel people don't like them and haven't for as long as i have played uto that is because people are jealous and always hate the bigger guys. but HOH plays dirty and so that crown you own the bottom of the barrel and deserve that title!

Some people will obviously dislike Abs just because they're better. But A LOT of people dislike Abs because of the twofaced bastards they are and the dirty dickish moves they pull. For example the 2v1 double hostile against MA and the twofaced claims by ASF that Abs is all about 1v1 and fair play while at the same time Havoc is busy double hostileing MA. That sort of behavior is what really makes a lot of people dislike Abs. I have no problem when someone wins because of skill or luck, suck as HoH which played mostly fair this age and did so very well, they caught a few lucky breaks that made their age easier such as the ABS gang-up on MA which definitely benefited HoH a lot.

Because the point of aabs is to make sure abs doesn't crown. they would not hesitate to disband/war each other if abs either disbanded or were completely out of the crown race.

I'm not so sure, power corrupts and there is strength in numbers. They would probably just become the new Abs, or they would disband for an age and then somone would form a new equivalent of Abs the next age.

My only hope in that if Abs disbands and something else takes it's place is that that something is more fairer and less prone to ganging up on the competition, but I have my doubts that that would happen, power corrupts.

[flutterby]

Because the point of aabs is to make sure abs doesn't crown. they would not hesitate to disband/war each other if abs either disbanded or were completely out of the crown race.

Then anti-abs is a failure. So does this mean HoH is part of aabs now?

[fuzzy|]

Because the point of aabs is to make sure abs doesn't crown. they would not hesitate to disband/war each other if abs either disbanded or were completely out of the crown race.

a-abs never achieves its goal lol - age in age out theres some anti abs team which sets out to stop abs but in the end selfish BS gets in their way

no mater what people think about abs, they are utopia - longest known presence in the game atm.

[KuhaN]

sh*t makes me saD.

[goodz]

Because the point of aabs is to make sure abs doesn't crown. they would not hesitate to disband/war each other if abs either disbanded or were completely out of the crown race.

When I was in anti abs they were really dirty! But it could be entirely different now. :)

[flutterby]

sh*t makes me saD.

Bishop says you can say ****.

[Palem]

How many 'anti-abs' alliances have tried and failed? And if abs were to dissolve how would this 'anti-abs' alliance not become the new 'abs'?

Idk, how many times has Abs failed to crown? Last time I can recall an honest anti-abs push was Age 50 (I think) and that worked out well for them with Dreams crowning.

This is another misunderstanding. This isn't really a thread to talk about an anti-abs alliance and what it would entail, though, is it?

I think it's an appropriate place to so. Kygal seems to be suggesting that something needs to be done about these shady backdoor deals and farming out to kds. One solution is a counterbalance to Abs.

My only hope in that if Abs disbands and something else takes it's place is that that something is more fairer and less prone to ganging up on the competition, but I have my doubts that that would happen, power corrupts.

Less prone to ganging up on competition? lol. As much as the forums like to spin things, abs really doesn't do too many things that put them in the wrong. The thing with MA was bad by all parts, but I'm not sure where else the argument stems from. When a solo kd tries to crown, and they have to war abs+hoh back to back to back to back, that's not abs being bullies, that's the nature of the beast and the reality of an incredibly shallow pool of competition. Have more kds actually trying and these kind of issues are non-existent.

[baka]

Less prone to ganging up on competition? lol. As much as the forums like to spin things, abs really doesn't do too many things that put them in the wrong. The thing with MA was bad by all parts, but I'm not sure where else the argument stems from. When a solo kd tries to crown, and they have to war abs+hoh back to back to back to back, that's not abs being bullies, that's the nature of the beast and the reality of an incredibly shallow pool of competition. Have more kds actually trying and these kind of issues are non-existent.

Stick to moderating. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. The moderator star does not make you any more credible.

[KuhaN]

kygal's just saying rage and sanc are ****ty and nobody should deal with them.

[Elit]

Less prone to ganging up on competition? lol. As much as the forums like to spin things, abs really doesn't do too many things that put them in the wrong.

Actually they are doing it, just make it "proper" to can keep his image more clean. For example this age standard offer ABS made to few kds early on age was CF till you are 70% range after it 48h notice. Its clear you cant declare war or fight real with 30% bigger kd. This way they can keep legit all competitors smaller and stop them from grow. With terms like it is easy for ABS to promote fair 1vs1 play and keep good image :)
Sure its not only ABS fault this terms, for deal need 2 sides and when new (for land chart) kd become bigger its easy to get trick and accept bad deal. For example Pew Pew refuse all this kind terms and made deal for 90% range. Its was proper deal but they had chances to war with any setup different from sage and ABS let Pew Pew "choice" to war only Rage. Why they cant war Havoc or HoH after his explore? There wont be any reset if they had real choice to pick his opponent.
Another example is Havoc this age. After our 1st war they contacted us and asked for CF after we told what terms they droped any offer. Same time HoH contacted AMA and proposed war with us. Based to both Havoc amd HoH land size AMA had chances in war vs hoh because we had similar size provs but had zero chances in war vs 4 cows in Havoc vs 0 cows AMA. We contacted Havoc and asked them for CF us because we want to war hoh, answer was they wont CF us and wont let us war hoh.
So Havoc not only double hostile us this age: because its unfair for them to keep hold till our hostile end with sanc and we recover from it, But decide: its not fair to let us war HoH and this way block both kds from have any legit and fair shot for n1 after all double hostile. Its pure **** play but you wont see ABS loss face from it in forum.

ABS can be very cool and polite with you till you are small but moment when you become competitor for them its all change and they show his "bad" side. Last 2 ages every time when ABS kd propose CF from us/Polar Bears we gave them it instant and you cant see any post in forum how "lame and dirty i'm" but when we become competitors for them you see how active become Proteus and ASF talking bad for me. Do you see this age forum full with stories for Flogger? You can be sure if BB is strong next age there will be many stories again how lame is Flogger. Its how ABS play "clean", they put his propaganda to make his competitors look bad and after it ABS make ****s (like double hostile this age us) and put some lame excuses for clean his image.

All term "aabs" is incorrect too. Its not black and white only.

[Lestat]

You should Vendetta Havoc next age. IMO.

[PhoenixScorpion]

The amount of QQ that takes place on these boards for this being a male-dominated game is amazing. Grow a pair, man up, and STFU. Besides KyGal, who actually is a female, I hope, rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves FFS.

[Crazy Pete]

I'd love to see more kd's make an attempt to go for the top to make the server more interesting or perhaps more wars early age with less CF's not letting kd's get a gap/safe spread on everyone early age. Or take you're one shot while you have it and wave a top 3 kd early that's fat and juicy.

Maybe shortening the ages to 10 weeks, 5 ages per year or give longer war wd periods and make it possible for kd's to explore during war wd and pump so you can go war pump war. Grow some provs while in wd so you can keep up with kd's pumping killers to get the upper hand on you. Nerf science, 20 prov kingdoms to help out having more competitive kd's or something anyways to promote wars whatever that might be.

I enjoy wars and some ages are better then others. I miss playing on a server that 8-10 wars were doable in an age.