Rofl don't even compared ED and fratzia(the most notorious cheating kd on the server). Deleted I dunno how many times over the ages for extensive cheating.
A kd full of roros, what can one expect.
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Rofl don't even compared ED and fratzia(the most notorious cheating kd on the server). Deleted I dunno how many times over the ages for extensive cheating.
A kd full of roros, what can one expect.
My logic is very simple. ED told us they are coming for us after 9 days war with pew pew. We had unfinished relation with pew pew. They had still dragon vs us and land we can take back from pew pew last wave. So ED block us from back our land from Pew Pew and same time put us in risk for get OOW dragon from Pew Pew. All this was hell lame and not moral. This forced us to explore in post war= loss pool+ loss acres from not hit Pew Pew. In short its cost us over 8k land.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverfox
AMA didn't run from ED, we stay oow and start fight back you with all disadvantages. Your bonce wave our cow, because you had x2 bigger core. Our cow left with 470k def. Both ED cows had close to 1 mill off and top 2 provinces in ED core had 420-430k off. Still AMA take all risk and declare WAR when cow was in DT range for both ED cows and we still manage to win this war. Before ED WD made max gains hits with his cow and take alone from 2 cow hits 3.5k acres. Still you cant protect this acres/cow in 1vs1 second round with us. Considering your lame vulture we decide to go round 2. Both kds was similar land size and both kds had 4 days for prepare. Stay and war us or trade land for CF was only correct and fair move from ED. You choice to CHEAT us x2 with Pew Pew and arrange wars so you can secure your cow acres. WE had full legit right to wave ED in both wars oow for back what is our. You cant use moral reasons when you don't play moral vs us. You guys cheat us bad and gained from it unfair advantage. Only reason we didn't hit you OOW is because i don't wanted ppl to say again we are greedy for acres when its about punish cheaters. Was very hard decision for us to not hit and give you CF.
You cant blame Fratzia for your bad play. You explored your acres before secure CF and they send notice. You did same to us, you offers us 48h notice and i proposed 72h till ED and BB was in progress ot set war but Part gone from irc for 30h+ (accident this was done from zauper in same time) and after it CR block BB with notice them and you refuse any kind CF with argument we have so many big provinces. Fratzia send you notice with same argument so eat your ****s and enjoy them.
Alright, I guess I should make a post here.
To those that are bashing Pyromaniacs, I would want to iterate the point that we still have many goals to fight for this age. These goals are mainly ww & honour crown. I believe that many top kingdoms tend to put down the value of such crowns, and I can understand why this is so to a certain extent. However, I hope that there should be some recognition given to these crowns especially in Pyromaniacs case as we do not go around bashing kingdoms in the middle of the warring tier. We fight all our wars (except the 1st war) against 25 provinces kingdom and these wars usually take place at the top of the warring tier. I must say that we have been lucky on several occasions this age and are thankful to be leading both charts.
With that being said, it is clear to all that we decided to grow 35-40% of our size to find a war instead of land dropping 35-40% of our size. (Grew from 72k acres to 116k acres). Yes, we are thankful for the top kingdoms in allowing us to grow peacefully. However, we were never aiming to find a war against a top 5 kingdom, it would be suicidal. We wanted to fight a war against kingdoms in the lower tier of the top 10 (6-10th positions).
Given so, we knew our possible targets were mainly ED, CR (Havoc), Pewpew and Hoh (No insult to any of the kingdoms listed). Many have speculated that we would be fighting CR, but we had a CF between us till a certain date and it's obvious that their setup is much stronger than us if we were to fight on equal grounds. We are definitely up for this challenge, however a better opportunity arose when we saw ED got noticed by Fratz. ED acres spread was more optimal for Pyros to handle and they had just doubled up 4 of their hybrids. Both kingdoms were not pumped but we knew it would be our best bet for our next war win (no offence to ED).
This war would definitely be a race of whether they can kill our top 4 attackers + 2 goats (coined this term!) before we take down their 2 avians + fatty hybrids. Our core is also stronger than theirs and we can top feed them down + win core battle. However, I must admit that Nesta, myself & a couple other Pyros might have miscalculated our war chances as we underestimated several factors. Prior to the start of war, we realized several other things (cant say now) and saw that it would be much tougher. However, that does not mean Pyros is going to farm out or lose drastically, it only means that we will fight harder through better activity and strategy, and hopefully snatch the win.
We have fought many wars in the warring tier and won because of those 2 factors. ED and Pyros were looking for a good tough between both of us.
At no point in our calculations did we factor in Fratzia waving ED into our war. It would be unwise to do so, and hence ED & us came to agreement about them giving us button through fort2fort hits. This is a complete 100% real war and our news can attest to it. We are getting our guys to stay focus and have maximum activity too. Yes, there may be some concerns by the top kingdoms that Pyros will farm out (unintentionally) and cause ED to be much stronger at the end of the war. Yes, it's a valid concern but Pyro knew that this is a golden chance for us to snatch another war win. However, in many top wars (for example CR vs BB 2nd war), external spectators should also be concerned about how much 1 kingdom would gain much more acres and be much stronger. Thus, I feel that spectators should be concerned, but this is a possibility in all top wars.
I understand why Fratzia is feeling upset at what happened. They noticed ED, and ED didnt want to fight them and went to war with Pyro. They had prepared for this war for weeks and for this to happen, I'm sure they are a little mad. Whether it is right to wave into the war, I guess each has his own viewpoint on this. Some may feel it's fine, some may feel it's not.
I just feel that it's the current dynamics of the gameplay that is causing all these. There's no proper system on what to do when Kingdom A notice Kingdom B, and Kingdom B knows they will farm out to Kingdom A, hence what should Kingdom B do?
One more thing I would like to add, I believe all the top wars that happened this age had 1 thing in common. There's definitely QQing involved. When have we seen a top war without any QQ? It's just the game dynamics currently.
Lastly, I know the damage has already been done (as seen from the news feed pasted earlier), However I strongly appeal to Fratzia to stop waving into war and respect our war. Some members of Pyromaniacs are already feeling a little down knowing that if we do manage to win this war (it's still tight!), we might stand a good chance of ww/honour crown but the value of these crowns has already been tainted. Thank you.
If TLDR (wall of text)
cliffs:
- Pyros still has ww+honour crown to fight for.
- Pyros saw that ED was their best chance to snatch another ww this age, but knew it's going to be a tough war.
- Ed has their rationale for wanting to fight Pyro instead of Fratz
- Fratz has their rationale for what they are doing
- Something has to be done with all these notice deals.
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'Pyromaniacs, welcome to top kingdoms politics (cJ, 2013)'
-cJ
CJ, this is not WW chart, its land chart. People there is fight for land not for nonsense WW. I can understand your reasons but you need to understand other kds too. Your agree to war ED when you both had CF is cheating Fratzia. ED had no kd for run and they had only choice to face in 1vs1 hostile/war fratzia. Help ED get war with you put Fratzia in very bad situation and choice. They send notice and trained up for gain land not for get nonsense WW. Hit ED oow is result ppl blame them for it and its 50% Pyro fault because you helped ED for get this war.
Now you goign to get easy WW and its cheat all rest WW kds too. If you win WW chart like its its fake win. I wont have any respect for this kind win.
In short your n00bnes in top made you make very bad decision and now you are in loss/loss situation. If you want to keep it fair to ED and rest WW kds you need to gave ED CF and make MP min time war. Still better contact support about it or you can get deleted if you don't fight :)
ED is lame to dodge fratzia, but fratzia is even lamer to hit into war. The end.
Stop signing notice deals if you cant handle with how things could work out for you, just becouse you notice someone doesnt mean they have to war you.
Its funny how elit is on this side of the argument, seening how he got screwed out of a crown by this exact same logic, when he tried to "dodge" havoc.
Are you going to try and say ED was never fully deleted? And of course you would stoop to generalized racism and stereotyping for your argument rather than attempt to speak with any legitimate argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by zmasternr1
Parth: What you are missing here is that as the game shrinks the environment changes and becomes more and more lame. Similarly, as the alterations to war mechanics continue to grow and administration takes more of a hands-on stand, the environment changes and becomes more and more lame. No one in the top is going to care if your wars are real or not, or if any real agreement was made or not. What they care about is that they openly challenged you and you outplayed them. They view being outplayed as being ****-played because the game is too small, and too full of lame actions to be able to react accordingly.
Coss: No one in the top anymore legitimately cares about anything that involves 'working together'. They are too selfish and focused on their own kingdom to set utopia straight in a proper forward experience. Offering to let people raze acres from you for just claiming to agree to help make utopia a better place is naive, but I suspect you already know this and just don't think anyone will take the offer to freely raze land from you.
Fratzia: If someone in a ghetto grows a cow/killer and hits you, and me being a cow myself notices this and hits that person 2x before you get the chance to retal. Will you then proceed to GB/hit me in war under the claim that I farmed your acres? The unfortunate state of the game is that the above would be answered as yes by the likes of someone like Elit. He would claim it unfair that I took his acres because someone else was foolish enough to send out and I caught it. He would diplomatically want recourse. What you are doing to ED right now is no different. Arranging a war in order to dodge is an act of cowardice, as likely anyone except those that are being accused of it would say. Hitting into a war, however, is never forgivable or proper recourse. Utopia has limited the options kingdoms have to dodge/fight back, and as a result, kingdoms make decisions in their best interest. You hitting ED is not an exception; you hit them out of your best interest because you feel you can justify it. The reality is, you are becoming just as selfish and conceited as the rest of the top. Since you choose to play in the top, I can understand this decision. But be aware you are spreading the actions you claim to be fighting against.
All in all, it's pretty much all around fail. I've been repeating this for a few ages now, though, so I have no idea why I bother to waste my finger muscles once again here. None of you care about your actions or their long-term consequences anyway.
Its correct, both sides are lame. Its why this situationist is loss/loss/loss for all 3 involved kds.Quote:
Originally Posted by munk
Elit, I actually told CJ not to post here but rather strictly the other thread because this is ED-Fratzia and not ED-Pyros, and has got nothing to do with us (although some of you may not see it that way).Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
I shall answer to your comments briefly and I shall not post here again. Will only do so in threads I have a strict business in.
#1 When two KDs have a deal (CF), isn't it legit to rediscuss a deal (shortening CF) provided both parties are willing? And correct me if I'm wrong, you gave me some good advice as to diplo at the top, and I really appreciate it. You told me, among other things, keep the details of the deals secret, it is almost tantamount to suicide if you divulge key information about your KD for eg. your pool, your deals with others.
I'm not trying to pinpoint anyone here for blame, and neither should you, Elit, at pointing we have 50% blame. Everything is considered discussing a deal. From discussing a Yr 9 CF to extending to Yr 10 CF (something I know CR proposed with Fratzia), that's re-dealing. From no deals at all, to getting a Yr 9 CF, that's re-dealing too (from no deal!). From no Yr 9 CF, to getting a Yr 9 CF with 72h notice, that's also re-dealing, which I have done with a few KDs. Similarly, from Yr 10 CF (with whatever amount of notice), shorten to Yr9 CF or even right this moment (with whatever amount of notice), it's a deal if both parties agree to it, no?
Next key thing here has been pointed out by so many people (neutral ones, and these are considered "fairer and more objective" opinions I believe, than those who actually have a stake in here directly ie Fratzia players), Notice means you should be ready and be on the lookout for your own backs, because hits might be coming in from the noticer, if not immediately upon CF expiry, then in the near future. It doesnt just mean war?
I'm sorry you feel we cheated the WW chart if we win this war. Thing is, we never ever expected/counted on Fratzia to try and win this. We wanted a fair fight. If you talk about hiding from wars, that's precisely the reason why we decided to grow rather than LD, because this stuff is even worse in the warring tier. They wont even feel the pain when you wave them. And they wont fight, period.
Call it ****play or not, being outplayed must feel ****ty. And ofcourse you think you can 'justify' our '****play' and hit up into our war.Quote:
Originally Posted by ciupi
Ezzerland above here says it all; thumbs up.
AMA never try to dodge Havoc, We was in our prepare set for war them when second ABS kd = Sanctuary start mess with us for prevent AMA prepare and war Havoc in 1 vs1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Relic
In short ABS was hell lame with double hostile us, but its was result from invite ghetto ppl lead Havoc = goodz. After it more n00bs pop and try play in top: Petrified (pew pew) and Part+goodz (ED). So we have now crap game full with lame ****s because incompetent people lead kds.
Why its so hard for people compete proper? Play 1vs1 and when you cant war some one trade land for CF how was done all past ages.
13nesta13, im not really blame Pyro because im consider your kd for n00bs in land chart and you dont know how its work. Posting your guilty is 50% is to show you result from your decision. Yes its ok for opeple to make new deals and extend them. This dont hurt any one direct, but its not ok when 2 KDs have CF and they drop it so one from KDs can run from other kd. This make direct DMG to another kd and its unfair+abuse. Set your CFs proper is one from most important skills in top. If every one can drop all his cfs any time for run from other we will have what we have now= people start hit in war for get what they can get in fair 1vs1 fight. I don't see how this run help ED when Fratzia is hit them.
About WW chart. We cant be sure if you can win or not in fair 1vs1 war with ED but its clear you can win now with ED take much hits OOW. So basically your win is not result from your work only but its result from ED got hits OOW. I don't see how its fair to rest WW kds won his wars in 1vs1.
elit dodges fights all the time. He didnt want round 2 last age, so he threatened with 2v1... lame :P
simple.. trade acres for CF. its been like that all along.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOne
Its was Havoc = munk+zauper play lame with us last age. First you told we can cf, after 24h lzauper confirm it: yes most like we will cf, and several hours later he come and reject it. So basically we had left 2.5 days for prepare vs 4 days for you. Considering what did Havoc to us age before it i think GB was better from 2vs1 :PQuote:
Originally Posted by munk
I don't know why you cant do your deals proper and not disappear for 30h middle diplo and change deal/terms complete after it.
<3 <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Call me stupid but i <3 <3 you too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by munk
prove that by razing the acres you got from ED and it will be +1. until then, taking the moral highground, it's just another excuse to farm free acres for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by coss
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Originally Posted by munk
Lets eat the pies instead of keep throwing them at each others
ED running from a war was lame
Pyro helping ED run from a war to get an easy win was lame
Fratzia waving ED into a real war, even thou it was arranged was lame
Like someone said, its all lame. I think most people that arent overly biased can agree on that.
I can understand why ED ran, and why Pyro helped ED, and why Fratzia waved ED. But it doesnt make any of it right.
I do agree with one thing the dude from Pyro wrote. This CF thing needs to stop. Arranged war is just a natural product of the CF game getting out of hand. Its hard to arrange a war and run from someone when u dont have 2-3 days to look for one.
In the end I guess its all those kds doing the CF game that are to blame for this. Utopians are no different then others, they will find ways to avoid conflicts if they see no chance of winning or gaining from it. They way the CF game is set up, it allows for arranged wars to a much larger extent, and thats why we are starting to see them in the top now as well.
When there was no CF game going on, people ran to fake wars after being waved or if they anticipated a wave. Now people arrange wars when they know someone is coming for them because they have the time to do so. Thats how it is, people will always find ways to avoid a conflict if they are desperate and if its possible to do so to a smaller loss.
Personally I see nothing wrong with arranging wars. Its well within the rules. But there is also within the rules to farm out, to gangbang provinces and/or kingdoms and to powerplay weaker kingdoms. So if someone get mad at people for arranging wars, you either accept that, or do something about it. Just like you do with all the other things mentioned two sentences up.
Usually there is a reaction within the utopian community when something is going on that the majority think is lame, and then there will be actions against it, and then generally that thing stops cause people realize the price is too high to pay.
We already starting to see some reactions to arranged wars: we saw some last age with SWEA and AMA hitting into wars, and we now saw it with Fratzia hitting into a war. Eventually more kds will feel they are entitled to hit into arranged wars and then we'll probably see alot less of them. That is how Utopia work.
Or if more people think arranging wars are fine and hitting into them arent, then we will start to see the kds hitting into arranged wars being punished, and then they will do that to a lesser extent.
So in the end it will just come down to what the utopian community think is more or less wrong. It will be interesting to see what happens in this case.
i agree on arranging war is legit.. but the way ED uses 'arranged war' is somewhat in the nature of FW or dodging/running away from other KDs that has claim to them. usually an arranged war, both KDs are well prepared and pumped so they can really test their set-up vs the other, and its fun that way. but their arranged war was something a joke, some EDs prov has 13k+ untrained sols? why RUSH going in if its arranged anyway?
Shai, i agree its lame situation and its loss for all kds involved. But we was put in same situation last age and this age. Both ages from same kd Pew Pew. There is not perfect Solution when its hapend. Hit in war is really bad, but what we did last age was correct and what did Fratzia this age vs ED is correct too. This is not first run from ED its 3 times in raw. WTF is this? Its total abuse all.
CFs is not problem if you don't CF wrong kds. After last age We don't CF more Pew Pew and after this age There wont be CFs for ED. If all rest kds make same they cant manipulate game more and cant keep run. CFs are in first place for let 2 kds prepare and war in relative fair terms. Its don't mean you will get even war. Land chart is all about build advantage and use it in 1vs1 war vs other kd for gain land. Its ok if you go in another legit war, but after got notice you wont have 48/72h for prepare when war is over so its risk move. If ED gone in war with pyro 24h before his notice expire from Fratzia there wont be hits oow, for simple reason Fratzia wont break his deal + wont have trained his army. If you want to run make it proper. Going in war 1h before notice expire is asking to get waved.
I think this might be the first time I agree with almost everything you wrote ;), except for the fact that its OK to hit into a real war cause the other party is running. Its not OK. Just as its not OK to jump into an arranged war one hour before notice expires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
But like u said, this arranged wars thing could be handled much better. Like you also said, had ED jumped into that arranged war 24h earlier or even 16h earlier Fratzia would probably not have trained and rebuild and just gone for someone else a few days later. Jumping into war 1h before notice expired when the other kd have trained up and switched builds and ruined their pump is kinda asking to get waved. I know last age Mansoor said the exact same thing. If the other kd makes em train up and switch builds just for them, he will wave no matter what.
I don't see the difference between 24 hours and 1 hour, as long as it is before end of the deal, it is legitimate. I see this as a risk you take for making a notice deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
If you think they will run, offer a new deal and don't train up. Or train and do something else. Or leave it open and see if you can jump them another time, or risk them doing the same to you.
imo both ED and PewPew have lost the battle for crown since long ago. so why not mess up the charts. while everyone interested is raging about what they do or do not do, they are probably laughing hard since they dont care anymore. i expect more ****play on the way :D
Everything you said makes a lot of sense, but not us getting an easy win. It just goes to show you havent seen the 2 KDs setup before Fratzia's hits in making it look heavily 1 sided now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
ED had 6 fatties under 110NWPA at 7-9k land, but still, those people are hard to drop due to their NW gap with our core, and even at 7k land and 40 DPA, its going to take a HUGE chunk of offense from someone on Pyro's core to tap, meaning, its going to be lower gains, and ED can easily chain our core guy if we did the tap. Not to mention they had an economic advantage with a 25k bank, and better science and WPA having remained at a larger size for longer time. It would have required loads of strategic planning on our end to win this, and we wanted to prove we could do it, or at least have a shot at trying it.
And we proceeded this war with our best efforts; Not sure what you're insinuating with this statement "Pyro helping ED run from a war to get an easy win was lame
", but to say either ED "ran" and (A) arranged to let us win (no matter how well/poorly we fought) or (B) that this win would be easy for us, is simply not accurate.
There is huge difference:Quote:
Originally Posted by Runefire
1. They cant wave because don't have trained his army, 24h later you will have max war protection so they cant gain and for same reason wont bother to train up.
2. They need to break his Deal. Its much more bad from "your run" or wave you in war. Chances for break deal is very small.
Pew Pew never had chances for win land crown but its not important. Im interest from them more in psychological aspect because they are phenomenon. 3 ages ago when ABS double hostile us i was enough mad do consider farm out option for short, but its made me realize fast if we make it, KD will die. So many people wont stay in kd after it.Quote:
Originally Posted by padrez
What we see in Pew Pew is how they farm out/reset on propose and have terrible age end for 3 ages in raw but ppl still dont leave this proven failure kd. So main question is: are most players in kd are Sadism-Masochist or something like it :D
Let's not pretend as if you had any reason to complain about that... the reason you didn't is simple: because you are thankful they fought us so you didn't have to do it yourself. Based on intel we had, it wouldn't have ended very well for you and the odds of you having no banks left right now, would be pretty large.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parth
So what? That is the risk you pay for making a notice deal. If you make a deal and notice, you should expect people will do all they can to make an outcome that works best for them. That is the game. If you want to farm kingdoms on your schedule, don't make deals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Some people just want to see the world burn?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Considering all the attention, discussion, crying and general butt hurt, I am sure Pew Pew are getting what they want. Stop crying fake war, stop interfering in their wars, stop talking about them and I am sure they will get sick of doing whatever they want to do :)
LOL? so u have to pay a price for making a notice deal? that is hilarious....from what world are u coming? Notice deals are generally made exactly for the reason that both kds involved would have some time for preparation in case their CF degenerates into a conflict. Both kds agree to a period of notice time they think they can manage to get ready. The funny thing is that ED considers this notice time as time to find an arranged war after them doing stupid mistakes like exploring their pool and being completly pants down CFwise.
In case seems to be the key word.Quote:
Originally Posted by ciupi
Indeed, they are made to allow both kingdoms to prepare, IF they both want to war each other. But an end of CF is not an agreement to war, and if one party wants to war someone else and are able to do so (by freely waving or agreement) then they are free to do so.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Runefire
It's not a matter if u want or not want to fight somebody with this system. If u are cought with ur pants down all u can do is either solve things diplo or fight. Jumping into an arranged war 1 hour be4 u know u will get waved is not any of the CASES!!!
Back to my point: if you going to run, do it proper. If your war started ~~24h before notice expire you wont end waved oow from Fratzia. Hold till 1h from notice expire is asking to get waved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Runefire
No, you're logic is utterly retarded because you seem to believe just because AMA did something then every other KD should also be bound by that rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
ED noticed you as they were allowed to under the agreement you had, there's not agreement that ED can't notice you if you just got out of war or lost land to a final wave, you just like to tag that on there and call it immoral because it makes you look better while the reality is it's irrelevant what position AMA were in, why do you think you're the person who writes the moral code for utopia?
It was your choice to not run from ED, no-one forced you to sit there, no-one forced you to not re-engage PewPew, so stop trying to make your own choices a factor that anyone else should care about. ED were in no obligation to give you a 2nd war, you just make up all these stupid as **** conditions that KDs should be bound to about how you should be allowed your 2nd wars vs. people, no-one cheated you outside of your own delusions of grandeur that make you think anyone owes you something.
You're just an idiot who likes to make up reasons why you deserve to get an advantage for your own KD, if you're stupid enough to notice a KD without an agreement to war once it expires and without knowing if that KD has any outs then you deserve to **** yourself over by training and not having a target. Serving notice doesn't mean you get a war, it means you're telling a KD that you're going to break your CF which logically means you normally intend to wave them, the KD being served isn't under any obligation to sit there and not war anyone else.
You keep crying that ED and PewPew were in "fake wars", yet neither KD has been punished for either of the wars. Both KDs knowing that the other one can't damage a certain portion of their KD doesn't mean a war is fake, how many other caveats are you willing to make up as you go along to decide when a war is fake or not? If a KD enters war knowing their bank can't be touched then is it a fake war, because they're getting war protection with no down sides? All 3 of EDs last wars have been real, I come back from the USA and I'm under 400 acres and almost dead, just because EDs banks gained protection doesn't make it a ****ing fake war you tool.
silverfox:
1. We didn't got notice from ED because we had no notice deal. They just refuse to gave us any and told clear going after us.
2. Your language break forum rules so guess you wont posting for 24h till you calm ;)
1. Your whining is even more pathetic then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
2. "Fratzia send you notice with same argument so eat your ****s and enjoy them.", you can't actually make up how moronic some of you are.
Raise your hand if utopia was much better before Elit came back to play
Why? Because you say so? There was no deal to war, so ED can fight whoever they want. Just because it doesn't suit you does not make it fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by ciupi
Again, why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
There is no difference between 24 hours or 1 hour, if a deal is in place, the KD is free to do what they want.
There is huge difference. Fratzia wont trained up and rebuild. Mean they wont go train up and chances to hit you OOW is close to zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by Runefire
Feel free to pay me for not play ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
by ur logic i can freely say there is nothing wrong in hitting into a WAR!!! the rules say only have lower gains doing that not that u are not allowed to do that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Runefire