Game Needs More Good kds Competing

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Originally Posted by Realest

But I do win every age I play. This is a proven fact, time and time again, and not Persain, absalom, nor anybody can really do anything to stop it. It's further cemented by the fact that I am the last b2b crown winner to grace this server. The current state of the game does not provide me with a worthy peer to mobilize and play again.

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You aren't perfect Realest, I know one of your ages in Trollfags u decided mid age to try to get the honor crown and failed and it was a judgement error you specifically made.

That arrogance and attitude is a major turnoff, and its laced throughout what palem posted in his OP

Suggesting that

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Originally Posted by Palem

Dear Decent kds who refuse to grow at all and want to war....actually challenge yourself to get better.

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good kds dont try,

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Originally Posted by Palem

Dear ghettos sitting on 20 provs, RECRUIT SOMEONE! Seriously, it's not hard.

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making a full kd that meshes together is easy

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Originally Posted by Palem

Dear good players sitting in terrible kds... you are garbage.

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players who have fun in ghettos are garbage
or even that

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Originally Posted by Palem

Dear bad monarchs Challenging other bad monarchs... You learn nothing

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even though

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Originally Posted by Palem

Winning (and even losing) a close game is always 1000% more fun than an absolute blowouts.

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These kinds of threads are the wrong approach Palem, if your unhappy with the game suggest a mechanism to fix it. FYI Palem i know i quoted you to sound very bad, but thats how your OP reads.

Here's what im thinking.

A) Lets say there are 25 "warring" KDs that deliberately stay small and sandbag their growth. Be it because they feel there is too much politics at the larger sizes, or that you need to be way more active at the larger sizes, it doesn't matter.
If we had some magic pact that all these KDs signed that said they would all try to achieve maximum growth while warring, i believe the game would have more competition and be better for it. None of these KDs would need to put in more effort or do anything to take away from their fun. All of these great warring KDs would still have lots of other great warring KDs to chose from and the best of these 25 would naturally rise to the top of the charts for NW. This would bring more competition to the game, and being as such it would attract more players and it would be a good positive cycle for the game and the community as a whole.

B) Make some sort of combined charts with a formula that obviously would need to be tweaked over several ages. Make it such that your account can if you chose to, display that you crowned, or top10'd or whatever, hell add a fancy icon next to your name if you want to. Something to display past accomplishments to help entice people to strive for one of if not all four (new combined chart included) charts and strive to 'win/place' in this game.

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Originally Posted by Realest

But I do win every age I play. This is a proven fact, time and time again, and not Persain, absalom, nor anybody can really do anything to stop it. It's further cemented by the fact that I am the last b2b crown winner to grace this server. The current state of the game does not provide me with a worthy peer to mobilize and play again.

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Instead admit your weak attempt of bringing Trollfags into the game. In my honest beleif you are not fitt to bring up any KD to perform in any way even close of beating my KD. I proved the point by raping Trollfags x2 times in war and one time in hostile. That does not include our free wave to have us CF your KD.

This is how you are remembered. You embarresed yourself by saying how much Simians sucks and then started wars with us that you lost when you clearly stated a bunch of times how we would lose and how you could dominate this server. I think you had your come-back all ready and its as good as it ever will get for you again. You are ofc free to prove me wrong but i am 100% sure you cant win no matter how hard you try. You see, id rape you non stop just to make sure there is zero chance of such a thing to ever take place again.

If i knew how highly you think of yourself i would have sacrificed Simians to stop your progress all those ages ago.

Come back to the game and let me laugh at you again

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Originally Posted by Anri

Instead admit your weak attempt of bringing Trollfags into the game. In my honest beleif you are not fitt to bring up any KD to perform in any way even close of beating my KD. I proved the point by raping Trollfags x2 times in war and one time in hostile. That does not include our free wave to have us CF your KD.

This is how you are remembered. You embarresed yourself by saying how much Simians sucks and then started wars with us that you lost when you clearly stated a bunch of times how we would lose and how you could dominate this server. I think you had your come-back all ready and its as good as it ever will get for you again. You are ofc free to prove me wrong but i am 100% sure you cant win no matter how hard you try. You see, id rape you non stop just to make sure there is zero chance of such a thing to ever take place again.

If i knew how highly you think of yourself i would have sacrificed Simians to stop your progress all those ages ago.

Come back to the game and let me laugh at you again

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now now, it didnt exactly go as you say trollking. but lets just leave it at that and you keep your mad skills.

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Originally Posted by Persain

These kinds of threads are the wrong approach Palem, if your unhappy with the game suggest a mechanism to fix it.

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The problem isn't the mechanics, the problem is the community as it's been on full display throughout all 30 pages of this thread.

Someone, somewhere, at sometime told everybody that if you want to grow you need to NAP everyone, you can't war, and you need perfect activity, among other things.
All these things are false. Warring kds NAP just as much as growth kds. Warring kds might war MORE than Top kds, but if you consider quality wars, it's pretty much a wash. Warring kds usually step up their activity to perfect levels while they're in war. That's really all you need anyway if you don't plan on micromanaging everything and not crown.

Someone also convinced people that acres are meaningless/a burden for warring kds even though 99% of warring kds USE acres as an indicator of who is winning. If you try and war someone and they don't want to war then you farm them out until they either war or it's not a big deal anymore. That's how you profit. Not "Hey you want to war? Nope? Oh well, let's CF (for no reason)"

The game is so divided on these totally make-believe principles it's just super annoying.


Also, I don't need to ACCUSE quality war kds of not trying as it's been confirmed about a 1000x in this thread. When it comes to growth warring kds put little to no (and in some douchey cases, negative) effort into it. Because everyone knows that acres are bad and being in range of ****ty kds that you can stomp on is good.

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Originally Posted by Palem

The problem isn't the mechanics, the problem is the community as it's been on full display throughout all 30 pages of this thread.

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Problem is about mechanics. Current relation system is broken and need change.

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Originally Posted by Palem

If you try and war someone and they don't want to war then you farm them out until they either war or it's not a big deal anymore. That's how you profit. Not "Hey you want to war? Nope? Oh well, let's CF (for no reason)"

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Cant agree. Why you need to kill other ppl age just because they don't want to war you. Bash other kd just because you can is lame and dirty play. I prefer to gave them CF and move on.

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Originally Posted by Palem

The problem isn't the mechanics, the problem is the community as it's been on full display throughout all 30 pages of this thread.

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Your main argument is lack of fighting/competition well that's abs, they are basically all that's left. Go tell Sanc to war rage and you can have your grand battles during the age. But 100k or 7k players there were always kds that played the games for the social aspect or once "war" that concept got introduced, that hasn't changed. All thats changed is its not the top 75-80 kds now its the top 5 kds that compete and kds can easily see when they no longer stand a chance to "win" the age.

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Originally Posted by Palem

Someone, somewhere, at sometime told everybody that if you want to grow you need to NAP everyone, you can't war, and you need perfect activity, among other things.
All these things are false. Warring kds NAP just as much as growth kds. Warring kds might war MORE than Top kds, but if you consider quality wars, it's pretty much a wash. Warring kds usually step up their activity to perfect levels while they're in war. That's really all you need anyway if you don't plan on micromanaging everything and not crown.

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4 things wrong here.
1. NAP+no war is a strategy its a good strategy y not mimic kds that win and use their strategy.
2. From my experience waring kds dont NAP, they only CFs to reset hostiles, and avoid kds they dont want to hurt with "randoms". Thats like 3-4 kds an age and those CF's get broken for war all the time.
3. you insult waring kds when u imply the quality of wars <<top wars
4.You need higher activity in the top because you dont get to chose when that activity happens, u can get waved and HAVE to fight anytime during the age. Most people would rather set utopia around their life not the otherway around, remember fog?

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Originally Posted by Palem

Someone also convinced people that acres are meaningless/a burden for warring kds even though 99% of warring kds USE acres as an indicator of who is winning. If you try and war someone and they don't want to war then you farm them out until they either war or it's not a big deal anymore. That's how you profit. Not "Hey you want to war? Nope? Oh well, let's CF (for no reason)"

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hey u wanna war, eh, i dont think we could fight u right now and win. Been told that over irc before hit them twice to make sure that half no was a full no. Got an earful in irc so we sent a cf to reset relations, and broke cf the next day. It comes down to

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Originally Posted by Palem

The game is so divided on these totally make-believe principles it's just super annoying.

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why should i purposely hurt someone i know I'm better than or waste sometimes time when they know they cant win.

Because an attitude like

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Originally Posted by Palem

everyone knows that acres are bad and being in range of ****ty kds that you can stomp on is good.

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this is completely counter to having fun in utopia.

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Originally Posted by brado

To prove capable of doing something you must therefore have done said something. To put it extremely politely, you're not capable. You're deluded.

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Originally Posted by Realest

having faith in being able to do something, is not the same as actually being capable.

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Does that mean every individual bigger then the smallest prov in sanctuary right now is capable and those that aren't as big aren't capable?

I think we should do it in reverse and all the big kd's should stop growing to make it more competitive!

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Originally Posted by Persain

You aren't perfect Realest, I know one of your ages in Trollfags u decided mid age to try to get the honor crown and failed and it was a judgement error you specifically made.

That arrogance and attitude is a major turnoff, and its laced throughout what palem posted in his OP

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Considering that I took a random kd of 25 rainbow races to the nr1 spot with 48h to go, speaks to my ability more than anything other kds could muster. Besides, if we wanted to farm/hack an EoA war like Balance, we would have won the crown. But as it is, the only crown that matters is the acre/nw one, so there's no point of going against my principles to farm for a child's crown.

You even said it yourself - it was a midage decision after we filled the kd to 25 via PUBLIC RANDOM + INVITES and we came close enough. Imagine if we cared from the start and actually picked proper set up with my own players - we'd win by a huge margin. Sure, we didn't actually win, and you can argue this is purely speculation. Nonetheless, it doesnt take a genius to tell that my domination is highly more probable than random warring ghetto choosing to ascend up the acres chart and actually succeeding. Once again, this is ability and only a handful of individuals in this game is capable. As it stands, I believe only dorje and flogger are capable, but their talents are better utlized in the chart that matters - acres. You can still cling to the belief that "having fun" and "getting wars" is more worthwhile. Like Palem said, some people like to play rebound-ball in a basketball game. Good for you but you're missing the point.

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Originally Posted by Anri

Instead admit your weak attempt of bringing Trollfags into the game. In my honest beleif you are not fitt to bring up any KD to perform in any way even close of beating my KD. I proved the point by raping Trollfags x2 times in war and one time in hostile. That does not include our free wave to have us CF your KD.

This is how you are remembered. You embarresed yourself by saying how much Simians sucks and then started wars with us that you lost when you clearly stated a bunch of times how we would lose and how you could dominate this server. I think you had your come-back all ready and its as good as it ever will get for you again. You are ofc free to prove me wrong but i am 100% sure you cant win no matter how hard you try. You see, id rape you non stop just to make sure there is zero chance of such a thing to ever take place again.

If i knew how highly you think of yourself i would have sacrificed Simians to stop your progress all those ages ago.

Come back to the game and let me laugh at you again

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After one of the Bulls' practices in 1997, Scott Burrell, Jordan's teammate, challenged Jordan to a game of one on one. They played and Burrell had a good chance to beat Jordan with the score tied at six a piece (going up to seven). Burrell had the ball, but Ron Harper who was watching the game on the sidelines called Burrell for traveling. Jordan got the ball back and without hesitation drove past Burrell and dunked the ball making it a 7-6 victory. Michael got the last shot to win, but Burrell was right up in MJ's face trash talking. MJ didn't say a word and just walked off the court. A few days later Burrell convinced MJ to play again, but Jordan won easily this time. Again, Jordan just walked off the court without saying a word. But Burrell couldn't keep his mouth shut. Burrell said to MJ, "C'mon, let's go back out there and finish this!" Jordan replied, "You just want to play so you can go tell your kids when they grow up that you beat Michael Jordan once. What am I gonna tell my kids? I beat Scott Burrell? Big deal. They'll slap the hell out of me."

id be mad if i would have played 50 ages and not ever won anything.

If people are happy its don't matter how they play.
Land and NW chart is boring boring boring and now when Proteus become inactive and no post constant its hell boring!

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Originally Posted by Realest

After one of the Bulls' practices in 1997, Scott Burrell, Jordan's teammate, challenged Jordan to a game of one on one. They played and Burrell had a good chance to beat Jordan with the score tied at six a piece (going up to seven). Burrell had the ball, but Ron Harper who was watching the game on the sidelines called Burrell for traveling. Jordan got the ball back and without hesitation drove past Burrell and dunked the ball making it a 7-6 victory. Michael got the last shot to win, but Burrell was right up in MJ's face trash talking. MJ didn't say a word and just walked off the court. A few days later Burrell convinced MJ to play again, but Jordan won easily this time. Again, Jordan just walked off the court without saying a word. But Burrell couldn't keep his mouth shut. Burrell said to MJ, "C'mon, let's go back out there and finish this!" Jordan replied, "You just want to play so you can go tell your kids when they grow up that you beat Michael Jordan once. What am I gonna tell my kids? I beat Scott Burrell? Big deal. They'll slap the hell out of me."

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Dont make me find all the times you posted this story. Its getting very old. The sadest part about this is that you are Burrel. You got your ass whopped not once, not twice, but three times against me. I dont know how hard you really tried, it does not change what happend. If you are retired you should stay retired instead of trying with your fail comebacks and same old **** in here in the forum. Stop acting as if you are of any importance or anyone cares about you. Most people dont even know who you are or what you have done at all. In my eyes you are still as dead as i left you. R.I.P Nub

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Originally Posted by prot

Blindly going with the "lets save my elites and release my specs" was probably the difference then. We kept armies rather balanced and kept a higher defense home to try prevent those further and deeper chains with leftover armies.

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Yeah it tends to keep NW too high and make it super easy to finish you off. but then there is always at least one that likes to die....

Pretty sure Realest wasn't running the trollfags when they stalled you. I could certainly be wrong though.

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Originally Posted by Persain

why should i purposely hurt someone i know I'm better than or waste sometimes time when they know they cant win.

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You sound like a vegan lion lol. On a more serious note

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Originally Posted by Persain

1. NAP+no war is a strategy its a good strategy y not mimic kds that win and use their strategy.

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It's a strategy that works under certain circumstances. Change the landscape at the top and that strategy will need changing.

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2. From my experience waring kds dont NAP, they only CFs to reset hostiles, and avoid kds they dont want to hurt with "randoms". Thats like 3-4 kds an age and those CF's get broken for war all the time.

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I'm willing to say that for kds under the top 50, they have no plans on breaking any of the CF's they've currently got, regardless of how they got them. Odds are they got the cf by waving/being waved and the other side's interest was different than their own. It's unlikely that either side's feelings changed.

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3. you insult waring kds when u imply the quality of wars <<top wars

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I didn't say that one was better than the other. I said it was a wash. Throughout the age a higher quality warring kd would prolly end up with a win record over say:
Bad ghetto #1
Bad ghetto #2
Decent warring kd
Good warring kd
Good warring kd
Very good warring kd

Where as a good top war record might consist of:
Rage
Sanctuary
Beastblood

To claim that one is better than the other isn't worth the time. Yea, the warring kd warred more people, but a couple were throw-aways. Some others were kds who by all admittance aren't bad kds, but certainly not top tier.
Are you honestly going to sit there and argue that beating Cataclysm (#100 on the warring charts) is just as worthy as beating Rage? If you are I'm honestly done arguing with you.
*No disrespect intended for anyone who plays in Cataclysm. You have room to improve and I'm sure you're happy to agree :)

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4.You need higher activity in the top because you dont get to chose when that activity happens, u can get waved and HAVE to fight anytime during the age. Most people would rather set utopia around their life not the otherway around, remember fog?

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I'm pretty sure getting waved at any possible time is something that happens everywhere in the charts, not just the top. I'm not sure what you're getting at here. If you're suggesting that the second a "top" kd gets waved that they need to be on responding, that's just not true. They'll get their retals in and such but they're still going to spend a few days preparing for the war and then they're going to war when they're good and ready. How is that different than any other kd?

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Originally Posted by Anri

Dont make me find all the times you posted this story. Its getting very old. The sadest part about this is that you are Burrel. You got your ass whopped not once, not twice, but three times against me. I dont know how hard you really tried, it does not change what happend. If you are retired you should stay retired instead of trying with your fail comebacks and same old **** in here in the forum. Stop acting as if you are of any importance or anyone cares about you. Most people dont even know who you are or what you have done at all. In my eyes you are still as dead as i left you. R.I.P Nub

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I don't often find myself agreeing with Anri but in this case I do. Is anyone else sick of hearing Realest come on these boards claiming to be Michael Jordan? Seriously it is getting old. You talk a lot of **** for someone that wont back it up, the last I heard your kingdom mass deleted because it was getting its arse handed to it. Come back, Build a kingdom in 24hrs or whatever **** you have claimed to do and see if you can crown. If not, **** off and stop acting like a total moron.

You claim to be a damn messiah, come show us then champ. Anri has called you out, if you do not accept his challenge, go back to claiming to be the best. Either way, you have been challenged and I will damn sure bet on the Apes in this one.

EDIT: "Insert reason why Realest won't come back because no-one is as good as him." You call trollfags a success, everyone else called it a farm.