RBL vs Bad GFs

In my eyes a hostile is a hostile until the kingdom that you waved loses the button either by A) Meter decay or B) CF accepted. As it stands, POUET () still has a button on us and could push it. In Elit's eyes, this is now ok:

AMA waves CR
RBL Waves AMA
RBL and AMA CF
CR Declares on AMA

So the above can now happen and it is deemed ok as CR had not retal any hits on AMA and one way traffic of hits does not constitute being a hostile?

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Originally Posted by Ezzerland

It's so easy to make silly/stupid/lame comments. I could be all like "You trying to 'impress' having Elit QQ for you" or "You had legit options to get war form RBL, why wave into open relations" but then, you weren't interested in war.

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indeed its easy to make silly/stupid/lame comments. I havent talked with Elit and never asked him to do annything to us, we just asked for a 2nd opinion if he consider this a legit wave or not, he was never involved in our diplo/actions vs RBL. If waving a bigger kd who is pretty much in same position as us(bigger actually with all TOGs and fully trained) aint legit then I'm sry. Next time we'll invite our wave target to a coke a movie and maybe then we can bang bang eachother ;)

Didn't RBL bring the double hostile on themselves? I'm pretty sure the two 20 prov kd's didnt wave RBL and bring it to hostile... so I'm guessing that RBL brought relations to hostile with 2 separate kds. Sounds like wSk just wanted to get in the party :)

Faegan, facts please. Let me refresh your memory.

On jan 24th yr0 you waved kingdom 6 (cant post locs) on your island. 33 trads, 1 bounce. And you started a dragon on them. 1578 total gains.
On feb 1st yr0 you made 10 hits into kingdom 1 on your island. 350 acre gains. They offered a cf on feb 1st yr0 which you accepted that same hour.
On feb 1st yr0 you also made another 4 hits on kingdom 6 on your island. That brought your total gains vs them on 1730 acres. You offered them a CF on feb 1st yr0 which they accepted that same hour. You also cancelled the dragon you started at them that same hour.

In total you also made 4 other hits. 1 on feb 1st and 3 on feb 2nd.
Feb1YR0 Quaalude (*:**) captured 53 acres of land from Xysticus (*:**).
Feb2YR0 Ondansetron Hydrochloride (*:**) captured 42 acres of land from Xa Ligha (*:**).
Feb2YR0 Fentanyl (*:**) captured 46 acres of land from thenewking (*:**).
Feb2YR0 Fentanyl (*:**) captured 18 acres of land from Dimensional Shambler (*:**).

After that no hits made by your kd and no hits made by othes on your kd untill feb 7th when we wave you.

I can give you full CE if needed btw.

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Originally Posted by faegan

Most recent occurences that I recall:

• CR waving PyroManiaCs OOP+7 while PyroManiaCs had 1 way hostile
• Settlers waving PyroManiaCs while PyroManiaCs had 1 way hostile

Both times the people on the bandwagon said "tough luck, got caught pants-down". If these two situations were "hostile", meaning ethics say no hitting in, I think we should call on the FPA again to police :)

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So, tell me, which 1 way hostile were you in that we waved into?

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Originally Posted by ofgortens

Didn't RBL bring the double hostile on themselves? I'm pretty sure the two 20 prov kd's didnt wave RBL and bring it to hostile... so I'm guessing that RBL brought relations to hostile with 2 separate kds. Sounds like wSk just wanted to get in the party :)

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If both the 20 man kds both retal us, yes that is our fault. But for a 3rd to come and wave and then the possibility of those other 2 retaling what would WSK have claimed then?

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Originally Posted by cRs

indeed its easy to make silly/stupid/lame comments. I havent talked with Elit and never asked him to do annything to us, we just asked for a 2nd opinion if he consider this a legit wave or not, he was never involved in our diplo/actions vs RBL. If waving a bigger kd who is pretty much in same position as us(bigger actually with all TOGs and fully trained) aint legit then I'm sry. Next time we'll invite our wave target to a coke a movie and maybe then we can bang bang eachother ;)

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Elit is a competitor of RBL. Of cause he would claim it is not a hostile and for you to wave us. Are you for real?

This goes back to the can you prevent being waved by someone good by perma farming little ghettos that could never war you? If you are hostile the whole age because you are waving KDs 1/2 your nw, can none of the other top kds wave you? I have no sympathy for RBL here.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

In my eyes a hostile is a hostile until the kingdom that you waved loses the button either by A) Meter decay or B) CF accepted. As it stands, POUET () still has a button on us and could push it. In Elit's eyes, this is now ok:

AMA waves CR
RBL Waves AMA
RBL and AMA CF
CR Declares on AMA

So the above can now happen and it is deemed ok as CR had not retal any hits on AMA and one way traffic of hits does not constitute being a hostile?

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[13:37] <Americanbadass> Why do you hate me?
[13:37] <Americanbadass> I <3 you
[13:39] <Elit> because all time your post dont make much sense :P
[13:41] <Americanbadass> :D

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Originally Posted by Elit

[13:37] <Americanbadass> Why do you hate me?
[13:37] <Americanbadass> I <3 you
[13:39] <Elit> because all time your post dont make much sense :P
[13:41] <Americanbadass> :D

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<3

(Msg too short)

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Originally Posted by American Badass

In my eyes a hostile is a hostile until the kingdom that you waved loses the button either by A) Meter decay or B) CF accepted. As it stands, POUET () still has a button on us and could push it. In Elit's eyes, this is now ok:

AMA waves CR
RBL Waves AMA
RBL and AMA CF
CR Declares on AMA

So the above can now happen and it is deemed ok as CR had not retal any hits on AMA and one way traffic of hits does not constitute being a hostile?

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I think Elit would be okay with that scenario right now :D

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Originally Posted by American Badass

In my eyes a hostile is a hostile until the kingdom that you waved loses the button either by A) Meter decay or B) CF accepted. As it stands, POUET () still has a button on us and could push it. In Elit's eyes, this is now ok:

AMA waves CR
RBL Waves AMA
RBL and AMA CF
CR Declares on AMA

So the above can now happen and it is deemed ok as CR had not retal any hits on AMA and one way traffic of hits does not constitute being a hostile?

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don't be a noob. Holding a hostile against a ghetto who is outside of declare range is not hostile. Otherwise any kd would just hostile a ghetto at start of age, tag hostile, then random all age? Figure it out. If you are hitting 2 different ghettos you clearly aren't concerned about either of them pressing button. CR players have hit into other kingdoms "hostiles" with ghettos as have RBL players. This is nothing new. If you got waved by a KD in your NW range and weren't prepared go fortified and send them a CF give them the free wave, or prepare for war if you're in okay shape.

What you need to do is diplo not some fail forums stunt.

I once waved simians who were "hostile" even though they had just given some ghetto button and then were randoming other kingdoms as well as hitting the "hostile" KD. If you are confident enough to random outside of your hostile it isn't a hostile. A shame rage shell has sunk to simians logic :( (only thing of note i think is that ama supported simians in the conflict from a morale perspective)

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Originally Posted by Hawkerz

Upon hearing that they had waved RBL with the intent to war, and learning that RBL was not going to war, I approached Bad GFs to see whether they wanted to arrange a war with us. I figured -- they are a warring kd, they are looking for a war, they are more pumped than we are, the ub/near ub counts are similar, could be a pretty solid fight. I ASKED for a war, and I'm not entirely clear on how you are hoping to vilify that. In my conversation with Bad GFs it was cRs who brought up the CF, not myself, and certainly nobody ever suggested that more acres would be exchanged for its achievement.

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You sound surprised they didn't accept a war with a kingdom with a 25-30% acre difference? ;p

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Originally Posted by goodz

don't be a noob. Holding a hostile against a ghetto who is outside of declare range is not hostile. Otherwise any kd would just hostile a ghetto at start of age, tag hostile, then random all age? Figure it out. If you are hitting 2 different ghettos you clearly aren't concerned about either of them pressing button. CR players have hit into other kingdoms "hostiles" with ghettos as have RBL players. This is nothing new. If you got waved by a KD in your NW range and weren't prepared go fortified and send them a CF give them the free wave, or prepare for war if you're in okay shape.

What you need to do is diplo not some fail forums stunt.

I once waved simians who were "hostile" even though they had just given some ghetto button and then were randoming other kingdoms as well as hitting the "hostile" KD. If you are confident enough to random outside of your hostile it isn't a hostile. A shame rage shell has sunk to simians logic :( (only thing of note i think is that ama supported simians in the conflict from a morale perspective)

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I dont agree with goodz a whole lot but he makes perfect sense now.

You can not claim hostile unless 1 side is hostile and the other ATLEAST unfriendly, otherwise the top has broken any rule they have set by randoming into ghetto that are even hostile/war arranged just for the easy acres.

Its a war game, do as goodz say and stop complaining. - That said Warseekers, as war had been discussed before, could have at least messaged and said game on, as RBL had the courtesy to ask a few days earlier before just preparing and waving, and i can understand they are angry at that.

As for all diplo going trough CR, why are they even involved? sure they can ask for war or they could just wave as it was only hostile 1 way, but thats their business.. why stick your nose in someone waving another KD?

So if my ghetto suddenly waved a bigger KD that was mid pumping.. Should CR jump in and do their negotiations too? or should i ask CR to do mine, to "push" the waving KD off me, out of fear of them getting involved? bulls**t, RBL is good enough to fight own battles and Drixx is more then capable of doing good diplo.

My guess is CR needs RBL for the top and don't want a war KD taking their position on ranking that they can not control.

Very good post Aranfein. Main problem in all this story is Havoc doing diplo for RBL. Im sure RBL have enough people for make his own diplo.

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Originally Posted by Elit

Very good post Aranfein. Main problem in all this story is Havoc doing diplo for RBL. Im sure RBL have enough people for make his own diplo.

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The thread started with elit getting somewhat involved in diplo. Perhaps both AMA and CR should stay out of other kingdoms diplo.

but if rbl and havoc are allies it makes sense for them to help each other if they feel one is being mistreated. I just don't see any foul committed so no reason for havoc to interfere.

No reason for AMA to be involved in anyway unless they are planning on policing server ;)