Pew Pew vs Debauchery aka Strippers aka Mystical Maybe

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SWEA is all talk, no game in warring for real. As far as Mansoor and his kingdoms abilities to actually be anything beyond a land farm, questionable at best. You've proven that your kingdom is in fact spineless..... you want to war, push the button, you want to war just give the button to the other kingdom so they can push it for you.

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SWEA warred Rage this age and won and gave the button.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

April 1 of YR5 Tala med kluven tunga (SWEA) invaded Woody Woodpecker (X:XX) and captured 246 acres of land.

1/2 waves ok... but to carry it on? aABs actually supports this play?

WTF is this **** seriously SWEA.

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Being in Simians you really dont have any room with opinions like that, lets just bring up Simians vs csarmi. Now you lost.

** Kingdom news report **
For the time from March 1 of YR5 till April 1 of YR5 - 25 hours
[ http://home-world.org/utopia/formatter/ - Seraphim online formatter ]


** Summary **
Total attacks made: 125 (18,972 acres)
-- Traditional march: 115 (17,574 acres)
-- Ambush: 3 (508 acres)
-- Conquest: 7 (890 acres)
-- Uniques: 39
Total attacks suffered: 152 (25,814 acres)
-- Traditional march: 144 (25,662 acres)
-- Ambush: 1 (152 acres)
-- Failed: 7 (4.6% failure)
-- Uniques: 55

** The kingdom of Strippers **
Total land exchanged: -6,842 (125/152)
+1,461 Pepe Le Pews French Sandwich (8 [2]/7)
+1,203 Miss FrankinCudd (7 [3]/0)
+967 Lola the Mistress Bunny (8 [3]/5)
+954 Black Rage (7 [3]/0)
+916 Nasty Canasta (8 [2]/0)
+697 Acme Rusty Trombone (10 [3]/0)
+543 Whats up Docc (6 [2]/0)
+460 Puff the Angry Dragon (9 [3]/2)
+249 Penelope Pussycat (6 [2]/3)
+52 Woody Woodpecker (8 [2]/2)
-165 Shingeki no Kyojin (0/1)
-169 Bugs the Playboy Bunny (8 [2]/3)
-274 Daffy Ducks Donkey Punch (0/2)
-389 Speedy tea bagger (0/1)
-475 Foghorn Leghorn (0/1)
-651 Wile Pee Coyote (5 [2]/11)
-816 Yosemite Sam (8 [2]/20)
-1,313 Marvin the Bloody Martian (0/5)
-1,331 Stiffy Wile E Coyote (7 [2]/16)
-1,501 Tazzy Devil Tea Room Queen (0/6)
-1,991 Chicken The Chick Kieve (6 [2]/27)
-2,314 Argentum (7 [2]/12)
-2,955 Porkin the Pig (7 [2]/28)


** The kingdom of SWEA **
Total land exchanged: +7,919 (44/0)
+931 Klappat och klart (7 [2]/0)
+901 Tala med kluven tunga (2 [2]/0)
+804 Flaggskeppet i en samling (3 [2]/0)
+719 Ta den i 2an (1 [1]/0)
+701 I sitt anletes svett (4 [2]/0)
+625 Med byxorna nere (4 [2]/0)
+622 Svansen mellan benen (2 [2]/0)
+527 Rulla tummarna (2 [1]/0)
+438 Ta det vackert (3 [1]/0)
+294 Ta tjuren vid hornen (2 [1]/0)
+269 Vara i sitt esse (2 [2]/0)
+193 Het potatis (2 [1]/0)
+183 Ord och inga visor (1 [1]/0)
+177 Ana ugglor i mossen (1 [1]/0)
+157 I stridens hetta (1 [1]/0)
+108 Ha en bulle i ugnen (3 [1]/0)
+108 Hugget som stucket (2 [1]/0)
+89 Intresseklubben antecknar (1 [1]/0)
+73 Smockan hanger i luften (1 [1]/0)


** The kingdom of Pew Pew **
Total land exchanged: -1,077 (108/125)
+3,257 An unknown province (15/0)
+956 I took myself out (8 [2]/0)
+715 tried to steal a kiss (8 [2]/8)
+709 happiness and bliss (6 [2]/2)
+546 on a date and said (4 [2]/0)
+394 Im looking grand (4 [1]/0)
+247 I whispered gently (4 [1]/1)
+197 Then afterwards I (6 [2]/6)
+122 me for a perfect (4 [2]/2)
+113 and then I almost (3 [1]/2)
+75 me in the most (4 [1]/3)
-20 and since Im so (4 [1]/4)
-118 then a movie show (0/1)
-170 restaurant and (4 [1]/1)
-219 secluded row (7 [2]/8)
-726 date and wished (2 [1]/5)
-851 slapped me when I (3 [1]/7)
-1,326 walked me home (3 [1]/10)
-1,369 polite I thanked (8 [2]/18)
-1,785 in my ear of (6 [2]/26)
-1,824 myself goodnight (5 [2]/21)

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Originally Posted by Korp

SWEA warred Rage this age and won and gave the button.

Being in Simians you really dont have any room with opinions like that, lets just bring up Simians vs csarmi. Now you lost.

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Been in Simians for <1 age. So dont pull that card out.

From what I have seen. If this was ABs kds doing this the gaming community would be going mental. But now it is aABs it is ok?

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Been in Simians for <1 age. So dont pull that card out.

From what I have seen. If this was ABs kds doing this the gaming community would be going mental. But now it is aABs it is ok?

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So, you're free from the sins of your kd? Never heard you stick with the repuation your kingdom has. You obviously dont have issues with playing in a kingdom that uses such foul play so I dont see why you have any issues with this?

If Simians commits foul play when I am here, I will be gone. A player being associated with a kingdom's past is a bad outlook to have on the newly recruited individuals of it and you people should be praising the fact there are decent individuals here now, not ridicule them into wanting to make them leave.

This does not even matter as the fact of the matter is aABs are hypocrits. If the tables were turned and it was Havoc/sanc ans Rage dominating the top 5 and pulling this off would everyone not go mental? If they want to punish them, raze them.

I'd actually be pissed off if I was Pew Pew.

Everyone isnt going mental cause they feel Debauchery deserves it due to the dealbreak that happend previously that why people are seeing it as a karma break.

Both kingdoms that are actually in war are negative acres...really? Even though they have the chance to gain land with a war win, it kind of looks like Pew Pew still got screwed, doesn't it? Or is that just me being a noob?

Side note, do the Dealbreakers have the button on SWEA now?

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Originally Posted by Korp

Everyone isnt going mental cause they feel Debauchery deserves it due to the dealbreak that happend previously that why people are seeing it as a karma break.

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HoH and Sanct razed killed 4 wasnt for the dealbreak?
wait a sec

am i missing something

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Originally Posted by Korp

Everyone isnt going mental cause they feel Debauchery deserves it due to the dealbreak that happend previously that why people are seeing it as a karma break.

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Originally Posted by alan03

HoH and Sanct razed killed 4 wasnt for the dealbreak?
wait a sec

am i missing something

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Why does SWEA not Raze kill? That was an ABs problem that seemed to have got fixed. This just seems like an excuse to warrant this farming of land to SWEA.

*Edit* Also if Mansoor/SWEA knew pew pew was going to wave them, why did they need to switch to war build?

like i said previously this hurts pewpew/ama/havoc/pulse since it gives swea a ton of free acres. I won't be surprised if SWEA gets gangbanged later.

If they were doing it because of the earlier deal break then they should use razes rather then grow from it / they shoulda done it earlier ;)

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Originally Posted by Farore

Both kingdoms that are actually in war are negative acres...really? Even though they have the chance to gain land with a war win, it kind of looks like Pew Pew still got screwed, doesn't it? Or is that just me being a noob?

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Yeah mansoor's kd screwed us and debauchery together with this crap. The war itself got totally ruined and they took all the easy acres to boot.

Seems SWEA has become what they stood up against in previous ages. Power play bullies!

@goods was they in hostile when they were getting pked before? Why did they not PK then and not now?

@Petrified : I assume the best thing is for SWEA to transfer over the 7-8k acres to PEW PEW after this "GB" has finisehed.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

Why does SWEA not Raze kill? That was an ABs problem that seemed to have got fixed. This just seems like an excuse to warrant this farming of land to SWEA.

*Edit* Also if Mansoor/SWEA knew pew pew was going to wave them, why did they need to switch to war build?

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Why raze kill when you can gain acres from it? Seems more beneficial to me at least.

i want 1v1 war.. much more fun.. pew...

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Originally Posted by Korp

Why raze kill when you can gain acres from it? Seems more beneficial to me at least.

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Until Pew Pew decides to team up with Debauchery to make SWEA pay for stealing all the acres and ruining the war....

stop taking my acres you silswedes!!!!

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Originally Posted by American Badass

Seems SWEA has become what they stood up against in previous ages. Power play bullies!

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When was SWEA anything but that?

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Originally Posted by Korp

Why raze kill when you can gain acres from it? Seems more beneficial to me at least.

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Because that is not the point of a GB?

SWEA is playing dirtier than the ABs they wanted to fight atm.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

Because that is not the point of a GB?

SWEA is playing dirtier than the ABs they wanted to fight atm.

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I dont think you know what a gangbang is if you think this would be classified as a gangbang. It looks to me that Debauchery has had plenty of time to solve the issues between them and SWEA and they choose not to and this is the outcome of their behaviour.

I think this is all just an excuse to justify the events that have taken place. I still personally feel it is dirty play and word from some others kds is they feel the same way bout this.

Lets see if anything happens because of it.

#SWEA

&Korp

Now I see why it is all okin your eyes. So if this is not a GB... what is it?

I've seen so many actions and threats from kds sinking so low this round so nothing else will surprise me at this point. I'd call this round "the dark age" of utopia.

I want to address some stuff that people have said (Farore for example) regarding moral absolutes... basically the contention being that if it was wrong for Strippers to ****play and dealbreak, then what SWEA did (demanding button with threat of hitting into wars and then doing so) was also wrong and they deserve some sort of community punishment for it too.

The problem with this is that Rage (who got dealbroken the original time) and Strippers (who got ****played now) are not in the same situation. There's no moral absolute right or wrong in this case; it's not as clear cut as murder. People normally have the right to freedom (not to be imprisoned) but then when they break the law they go to jail and they don't have the same rights they did before. In this case, since Strippers scummed and dealbroke Rage earlier this age (and got 2 WW's out of it), they don't have the same "rights" that other kingdoms do.

So yes, if Mansoor did this to anyone else, there would probably be a problem. But that's because dealings with Strippers don't require the same moral threshold as do dealings with other kingdoms. They lowered the bar for the way they could anticipate to be treated when they dealbroke. That's how it goes. You treat others unfairly; later, you get treated unfairly and there's not much you can say about it.

If anything, I would say that SWEA is acting poorly towards PewPew more than anyone else in this situation. Arguably, they are stealing acres that Pew^2 would rightfully otherwise obtain through war.

If SWEA give those acres to Pew Pew after in waves then order will be restored.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

I think this is all just an excuse to justify the events that have taken place. I still personally feel it is dirty play and word from some others kds is they feel the same way bout this.

Lets see if anything happens because of it.

#SWEA

&Korp

Now I see why it is all okin your eyes. So if this is not a GB... what is it?

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You obviously never experinced a gangbang if you think two kingdoms hitting one kingdom is a gangbang. I also have ~ in few kingdom channels, & in several others.


But, lets put all that aside and you should read JustinSanes wall of text and maybe get some perspective on the matter.

GBs still exist?

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Originally Posted by American Badass

If SWEA give those acres to Pew Pew after in waves then order will be restored.

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Agreed but thats like 15k acres. pewpew dont have the balls to demand it. Aabs arent a true alliance either so they wont do dittly. The only ones that would are abs but obviously they arent inolved on this one.

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Originally Posted by Godly

I've seen so many actions and threats from kds sinking so low this round so nothing else will surprise me at this point. I'd call this round "the dark age" of utopia.

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You clearly don't think upon the early ages as fondly as I did.

SWEA had dibs. Strippers accepted a deal of 10K acres for a CF. What's the problem?

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Originally Posted by Ghetto_King

Agreed but thats like 15k acres. pewpew dont have the balls to demand it. Aabs arent a true alliance either so they wont do dittly. The only ones that would are abs but obviously they arent inolved on this one.

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Why are you so judgmental about other peoples balls?

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Originally Posted by tetley

I want to address some stuff that people have said (Farore for example) regarding moral absolutes... basically the contention being that if it was wrong for Strippers to ****play and dealbreak, then what SWEA did (demanding button with threat of hitting into wars and then doing so) was also wrong and they deserve some sort of community punishment for it too.

The problem with this is that Rage (who got dealbroken the original time) and Strippers (who got ****played now) are not in the same situation. There's no moral absolute right or wrong in this case; it's not as clear cut as murder. People normally have the right to freedom (not to be imprisoned) but then when they break the law they go to jail and they don't have the same rights they did before. In this case, since Strippers scummed and dealbroke Rage earlier this age (and got 2 WW's out of it), they don't have the same "rights" that other kingdoms do.

So yes, if Mansoor did this to anyone else, there would probably be a problem. But that's because dealings with Strippers don't require the same moral threshold as do dealings with other kingdoms. They lowered the bar for the way they could anticipate to be treated when they dealbroke. That's how it goes. You treat others unfairly; later, you get treated unfairly and there's not much you can say about it.

If anything, I would say that SWEA is acting poorly towards PewPew more than anyone else in this situation. Arguably, they are stealing acres that Pew^2 would rightfully otherwise obtain through war.

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I don't necessarily agree with what you're saying, because in my opinion if you allow kingdoms to gangbang or deal dishonorably just with people who you decide "deserve it" - especially for that to be the deal for the rest of the age apparently, since a major consensus seems to be SWEA's actions are also punishment for what happened to Rage just like the raze kills were - then you're still encouraging that behavior. Sooner or later other kingdoms will get added to the black list because they'll tick off the wrong kingdom. Then suddenly it's okay to do whatever you want to two kingdoms, then five kingdoms, then seven. It gets out of hand quickly and harder to determine what's honorable play and "by the rules" and what isn't. That goes back to my point of no matter who the victim of a crime is, no matter how lovable or deplorable they are, it's still a crime. And in some cases, other kingdoms get affected as well, in this case Pew Pew who did nothing wrong by most peoples' counts.

BUT. That being said.

I kind of love you now, tetley, for making a logical, well-defended case without insults. + 1 for you ^.^

Joanie loves Chachiiiiiiiii

SWEA basically hit pew pew for 15k acres is whats happening here.., with friends like these eh.

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Originally Posted by Lestat

SWEA had dibs. Strippers accepted a deal of 10K acres for a CF. What's the problem?

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I would love to hear more about this

SWEAis purely doing this for their own advantage. Pew pew getting screwed over by SWEA in the process, not to talk about strippers

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Originally Posted by amokchen

I would love to hear more about this

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I only read the thread. SWEA started a dragon (which it's well known is dibs) and the one dude agreed to give Mansour 10K for a CF.

In the swea being big is great for beastblood and AMA (If they don't lose to havoc), that's just acres they can take later so they're not complaining. Many big kingdoms this age but only a few are actually able to win.

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What proteus said is true! Dude he is Proteus!!! No for real, it will most likely be between AMA and BB. If not Havoc or Pewpew can do anything about it.

There are much more info that can be shared but as this whole mess is between friends i am not willing to make more enemies that only been made. People saying SWEA doing it for their own are both wrong and right. Right in the matter of I have to look after my kingdom and that I will keep my word after several warnings. I also told Pewpew I would hit into their war 2 days prior to the conflict even started if I got dealbroken from the war Silva promised me where is he knew he would have to wave SWEA in order to Pewpew to back off.

And these acres that we got will soon be razed by dealbreakers anyway so as Petrified told me yesterday, you are moron, you just cost all your chances of crowning this age. And he is right but to be honest, we never expected to crown but we said that it will be fun as long as it last, after we see we have no chance to crown we will switch to complete FSU =) This is SWEA:s first age as a full kingdom, we just want to have a respectable finish. Crown will be between Havoc, AMA and BB. We will most likely be in a retalwar against dealbreakers. We are just taking what we will loose into raze retalwar with dealbreakers.

I believe havoc deserves to get hits through their next war because of what happened with AMA last age.

Anyone seeing the problem yet?

Mansoor, you ****played two friends. Good friend you are.

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Originally Posted by Mansoor

We will most likely be in a retalwar against dealbreakers. We are just taking what we will loose into raze retalwar with dealbreakers.

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lol the logic
"just taking what we will lose into raze retalwar"....

... think about what you just typed.

not to mention these ever changing arguments on why you TMed the war.