FS vs ED: FS brings in out of hostile help?

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Originally Posted by DM_Benjamin

There has been a dangerous precedent set this age. The repercussions are that there is no such thing as a CF deal and there is no rules regarding hitting into hostile/ war. All within the games rules but sadly against the spirit of fighting cleanly.

I awoke to see pyros had hit into our hostile with FS which at first angered me but that quickly changed to disappointment. I worry that the kingdoms involved in the deal breaks and out right **** play have opened a can of worms and they need to understand that utopian players have long memories. I have a feeling there will be measures put in place next age to reverse this current trend

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yes...measures called anarchy

Perhaps someone should make a separate thread with all the FS/pyro ****plays over the past couple of ages. I mean the more that comes out the more one wonders.

Miss you Silverfox :kiss
Parth can you ask Fox if I am welcome for cake, I can bring Dutch beers as well?

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Originally Posted by Parth

Birthdayboy fox have gotten himself banned, so Imma post as his proxy. The question I believe is directed towards pyro: Are you still hostile with us or did that end?

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I dunno. I still have not gotten a single order so...... Dunno.

show is over folks. nothing to see.

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Originally Posted by Helluva

show is over folks. nothing to see.

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im glad this has ended without further escalation.. gj on catching us pants down, and good luck while chasing the crown!

FS are establishing themselves continuously as one of the ****tiest and scummiest kds now. The coincidences keep coming dont they? Policing Emeriti for it, you deserve the same level of policing of getting gbed by multiple kds. You've officially **** on the name you've built so hard upon in the past and now it's worth slightly less than a used toilet paper.

FS crying to allies like the sissies they are lulz.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

im glad this has ended without further escalation.. gj on catching us pants down, and good luck while chasing the crown!

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Not sure how it could escalate more then calling in allies to double hostile it. I guess we could have went on looking for someone to help us out in return, but its not our style and its also in all honesty not likely we'd find anyone.

Anyway, ok with you to talk in 2-3 days about whats left on deal?

Now only activate Pyro....u called in your allies also no use...they still got one big brother on standby (BB).

Even the Emeriti and friend also no match for them. U better think twice.

Well, I would say FS and Pyro have supreme coordination. Ask Emeriti and SEQ and Outsiders.
The extra wave when button is pressed. When you looked at your news page, your mate will be confused too. and come running asking, who the f*** we warring with?

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Originally Posted by citadela01

2.5 days sounds nice on paper, sadly it included no growth clause which meant we couldnt either grow our own ub's or large enough provs to even challange any of theirs 7 ub's ... so no it was not good deal. It was a loose/loose situation, we recognized it.

We were reasonable enough after that i feel, offered standards terms, were open to negotiations but it wasnt enough.
We gave them moral satisfaction by admitting to have been caught with pants down and beeing outplayed but that wasnt enough either.

We were almost equal on land and ahead of honor when they waved ... they were what ? 25k land and 10k+ honor ahead of us when tehy got waved, its enough by any measure.

We decided to pull same **** feint did to us last age, offer cf and roll over rather than pamper their egos any more.
Coming to forums after that with promises of "new and improved" cf offer is bs.

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Thanks for remembering me...but u already surpassed me. U improved. Innovate and push it to an even higher level...i believe everyone think FS is second to none when comes to....stinky...

This is Feyr Play. Consider yourselves lucky that FS actually stopped hitting you first and that BB isn't helping wave you.

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Originally Posted by jwuzi

Is it time to change the definition of hitting into hostiles?

Step 1. Get a forum post
Step 2. PR so your side looks like the victim
Step 3. Talk about stopping hits and ops
Step 4. Have ghettos hit your opponent?

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In Feyr play, hostiles, war, and cf deals do not stop waves. Learn 2 play noob.

So are we razing Nesta's Nubs or what? If we do will we be gang banged?

So maybe Palem can help us change the title of this thread...
FS vs Pyro
Who is wrong?

Is a hostile of 127 vs 150 not consider a hostile when one side stop hit/op for over a certain duration? Hence Pryo wave is justified?

If hostile meter is considered a measure of hostile, and cf cannot be set in place due to various egos or personal gains reason, would it be at least a 2-3 weeks of hostile just to wait for meter to decay?

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Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace

So are we razing Nesta's Nubs or what? If we do will we be gang banged?

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I think we should wait for FLOGGER. He is the leader of feyr play.

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Originally Posted by Feint

I think we should wait for FLOGGER. He is the leader of feyr play.

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He runs away whenever people ask questions! And I do not see protector either answering for Pyro's actions :P

Stare at the thread information..catch them if they viewing the thread or not...lol

Feint

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Viewing Who's Online

do you think Flogger and company could post a list of rules and kingdoms we can and cant hit? this is all confuzzling me.

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

This is Feyr Play. Consider yourselves lucky that FS actually stopped hitting you first and that BB isn't helping wave you.

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Well yeah, have to agree with you there, luckily for them Absalom is no more.

Why only non-FS players need to get a life though Jon? :( Such unfair! Curiously, I just got a life. New job and looking for new apartment and stuff, so I'm happy where I'm at Jon. Makes you happy?!

I did mention Parth cita Francis and unknown dood from Ed. You just choose not to see what I mean. You and Korp isn't involved in this matter in any way. You are here to make this endless mess worse.
Ed and FS agree to disagree to whatever is said. Why on earth does this need to continue?

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Originally Posted by tak3shi

FS are establishing themselves continuously as one of the ****tiest and scummiest kds now. The coincidences keep coming dont they? Policing Emeriti for it, you deserve the same level of policing of getting gbed by multiple kds. You've officially **** on the name you've built so hard upon in the past and now it's worth slightly less than a used toilet paper.

FS crying to allies like the sissies they are lulz.

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Yeah, and ED are cute little ponies! Go tell everyone, quick!

Such a scummy play by so called "fair play alliance"...

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Originally Posted by darkl1ght

I wonder where protector is now? surely he must right this wrong and punish fpyro?

last age BB actioned my kd for hitting into a fat, underpumped FS (who were apparently in a 3 week hostile). He stated things like "don't interfere with hostiles, and I wont need to interfere with you"

Now pyro full waves into ED, who are clearly hostile with FS (only a 3 day long hostile from what I've read). Protector, police of utopia, please action this ASAP, or can you only bully kd's who are 1/10th of your size?

Tic Toc BB, i'm waiting for you to punish fpyro!

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Lol, still sore?

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Originally Posted by Zauper

2.5 days of extra prep time in exchange for guaranteed war seemed like a reasonable offer to me since you guys had a fairly reasonable land advantage.

Several (4? 5?) waves for CF is a lot, but also not entirely unreasonable considering the circumstances of last age. Often in top conflicts, if you CF before draft, you're giving up close to 2 waves. If you CF post draft, it winds up being closer to 3-4 waves.

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I think both where around the same land size? (it also included a no growth clause for FS - I know because I mediated in the matter :p)
Its questionable (imo) if giving a button (8 hits) with their # of pure hitters (8 undeads) to a human kingdom is with 2 hours before daychange is that much of an advantage

I don't know how much is true of what both say about last age, but assuming both sides have spoken some truths I think the asking for 4 waves is over the top. Next age roles are reversed and then one party wants 5 because the other wanted 4 the previous age. Should just make 1-2 waves for a CF as the standard.

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Originally Posted by darkl1ght

yes bb razed/bounce waved our large provs and threatened to continue into our war if we did not cf fs. Protector told me he did not tolerate that kind of sh!t play. But where is protector now? Hiding behind hypocrisy?

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We only bounced. And we bounced one prov iirc. I only threatened to continue bouncing if you didn't back off, you were not in war when we started.
You just ran to a fakewar when we started. Coincidentally, it was another kingdom who was hitting FS into hostile.
Posts like this made me wish I had just continued instead of giving you a great deal for your foul play.

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Originally Posted by Helluva

show is over folks. nothing to see.

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Gud gud

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Originally Posted by nickey

Such a scummy play by so called "fair play alliance"...

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So whom are you referring to? Fair play or FEYR play? They're 2 different ones!

They were 62k odd acres and we were 61k odd acres coming oow, not that it matters now, CF has been reached and ED got a pretty good deal out of it imo. They should be satisfied for now with the 7k honor they droped on FS.

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Originally Posted by protector

I think both where around the same land size? (it also included a no growth clause for FS - I know because I mediated in the matter :p)
Its questionable (imo) if giving a button (8 hits) with their # of pure hitters (8 undeads) to a human kingdom is with 2 hours before daychange is that much of an advantage

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Then you also know growth clause was for both kds.

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Originally Posted by protector

I don't know how much is true of what both say about last age, but assuming both sides have spoken some truths I think the asking for 4 waves is over the top. Next age roles are reversed and then one party wants 5 because the other wanted 4 the previous age. Should just make 1-2 waves for a CF as the standard.

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3 waves, 2 for honor and 1 learn (or 4k hp + 1 learn round), is way less then what FS offered us last age. So if things escalate in the same direction it wont be one wave more next age but one less. We wanted payback but unllike some others around here, we're not completely unreasonable. I think you know this.

Protector your rebuttal to your own double standards is "lol still sore?" Tell me why are you not actioning this double hostile??

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Originally Posted by protector

So whom are you referring to? Fair play or FEYR play? They're 2 different ones!

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BB alliance which warred emeriti alliance, you cried foul there, imo rightfully and thats only my opinion.
We had perfect 1 vs 1 hostile here, started on even grounds and we turned it to our favour, our play was good and didn't provoke any outside interference or policing, yet as soon as FS lost the battle on the forum they called in they alliance buddies to come in and force us into submission, backing that action on grounds that they are not in hostile, while they were obviously 127 points on the meter!!

And this play is abs classic, blatant lies and make grounds to gangbang, forcing deals and so on... GJ Beastblood of Absalom...

Yawn, we should do more diplo out in the sun drinking beer instead. Jon, maybe you and me should diplo with the swe ppz. ;)

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Originally Posted by Parth

Then you also know growth clause was for both kds.

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Err, it was just a response to zauper saying FS had a land advantage (I'm aware you said both :p)

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Originally Posted by darkl1ght

Protector your rebuttal to your own double standards is "lol still sore?" Tell me why are you not actioning this double hostile??

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What needs to be actioned? I believe this has already been solved with some diplomacy. Something you refused.

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Originally Posted by nickey

And this play is abs classic, blatant lies and make grounds to gangbang, forcing deals and so on... GJ Beastblood of Absalom...

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No nickey, the things BB's alliance has done this age are worse than what Absalom has done in their entire history. Absalom has never deal broke and gb'd a kingdom in real war that had apologized and offered whatever compensation was needed to fully fix the situation. Never.

FS are cowards who call in allies every time they are at a disadvantage and then need to help their allies gb others to repay their favors. I can give examples of some 3week long beatdowns my kingdom has taken at the hands of a stronger positioned opponent while Absalom was dominant and never was there threat of allies being called in despite me offering cf the whole time. The hostile ended when the aggressor finally decided to cf when we were fully beat down.

This is Feyr Play, not Absalom.

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

FS are cowards who call in allies every time they are at a disadvantage and then need to help their allies gb others to repay their favors. I can give examples of some 3week long beatdowns my kingdom has taken at the hands of a stronger positioned opponent while Absalom was dominant and never was there threat of allies being called in despite me offering cf the whole time. The hostile ended when the aggressor finally decided to cf when we were fully beat down.

This is Feyr Play, not Absalom.

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Lol, can you please tell me all the times we have called in allies? So full of BS crawl back into your cave.

Funny enough I can recall few times when waving an Absalm kd has ended with my kd just "randomly" getting waved by another Absalom kingdom.

And the best example of all. Ama fighting sanctuary "no hostile" was claimed by dorje and magically Mercy waved Ama.. Another Goldie in that situation is the farming of gold between Mercy and sanctuary..

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

No nickey, the things BB's alliance has done this age are worse than what Absalom has done in their entire history. Absalom has never deal broke and gb'd a kingdom in real war that had apologized and offered whatever compensation was needed to fully fix the situation. Never.

FS are cowards who call in allies every time they are at a disadvantage and then need to help their allies gb others to repay their favors. I can give examples of some 3week long beatdowns my kingdom has taken at the hands of a stronger positioned opponent while Absalom was dominant and never was there threat of allies being called in despite me offering cf the whole time. The hostile ended when the aggressor finally decided to cf when we were fully beat down.

This is Feyr Play, not Absalom.

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I lol'd

If only everyone had the integrity of absalom to stop hiding behind fake forum nicks and apologize for real once their council logs get leaked it would be a better place!

Wow, this topic. Props to ED though, I can't really complain on how you took us pants down. Greeeeetz from FS.

this is for you btw AquaSeaFoam - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPkD1RaMq8

Soo. Seems ED and FS situation has been resolved, for now. Kudos. Can't have been all too easy brokering that CF.

What about Pyro though?

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

No nickey, the things BB's alliance has done this age are worse than what Absalom has done in their entire history. Absalom has never deal broke and gb'd a kingdom in real war that had apologized and offered whatever compensation was needed to fully fix the situation. Never.

FS are cowards who call in allies every time they are at a disadvantage and then need to help their allies gb others to repay their favors. I can give examples of some 3week long beatdowns my kingdom has taken at the hands of a stronger positioned opponent while Absalom was dominant and never was there threat of allies being called in despite me offering cf the whole time. The hostile ended when the aggressor finally decided to cf when we were fully beat down.

This is Feyr Play, not Absalom.

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Lol@u never doing anything wrong with abs

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

No nickey, the things BB's alliance has done this age are worse than what Absalom has done in their entire history. Absalom has never deal broke and gb'd a kingdom in real war that had apologized and offered whatever compensation was needed to fully fix the situation. Never.

FS are cowards who call in allies every time they are at a disadvantage and then need to help their allies gb others to repay their favors. I can give examples of some 3week long beatdowns my kingdom has taken at the hands of a stronger positioned opponent while Absalom was dominant and never was there threat of allies being called in despite me offering cf the whole time. The hostile ended when the aggressor finally decided to cf when we were fully beat down.

This is Feyr Play, not Absalom.

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So the age where i as HaLL leader came to absalom after i found out we had done absalom wrong and offered up any compensation u saw fit and apologise. And absalom turned it down becasue they wanted to bash, even tho i made absalom aware that this had happened due to false presented logz to me from people within HaLL. Thats not worse you feel ? Or not in same ballpark even ?

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Originally Posted by Tadpole

Soo. Seems ED and FS situation has been resolved, for now. Kudos. Can't have been all too easy brokering that CF.

What about Pyro though?

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Tell me when you find out.

Hm, Parth promised more drama when Silverfox ban expired. WHere is it!?