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Originally Posted by Ishamael

Good combo of wit, humor and nice strats/advice (advise? forgot which one)...

Just started a new HU/Sage this age and based on what I read here it seems this race/perso combo can pull it off nicely but will take awhile to bloom...
Questions: assuming my kd is already 1k acres...

1. As an A/t (probably shift it to "T" if possible), what ops should I run, aside from intel ops, to be regarded as a decent A/t?

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NS, lots and lots of NS =)
possibly some steal horses as well, but NS is very hard to go wrong with

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Originally Posted by Ishamael

2. Is 1 WPA, 3.5-4 TPA, the rest army on 60% DR enough to have two "loaded weapons" in your disposal (A and t)?

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might need to bump it up to 65% DR, and get wpa up closer to 2

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3. As a HU, is it always a must to have an all elite offense and def specs, then training off specs as the war progresses?

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not a must... would rather see you at 65% fully trained with 50-50 split ospecs to elites than be sitting there with 4-5 sols/acre =)

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4. For sciences, should I focus more on Alchemy, Housing and Tools first before going on other science? Is 100 BPA on those 3 categories be enough to branch out to other sciences?

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100 is a good start for BE and alchemy... i would look at getting 200 bpa in housing

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Originally Posted by Ishamael

5. A bit off topic but, I haven't seen vines here.... Is he still playing?

Thanks....

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dont know, dont care =)

hi,
i would like to know what is the best build to do a science pump efficiently.

i am a DE mystic attacker/mage.

size is 1k acres, i am currently in war and here is my strat atm:

1. Homes: 189 (20.6%) + 22 in progress (+2.4%)
2. Farms: 45 (4.9%) + 10 in progress (+1.1%)
3. Training Grounds: 51 (5.6%) + 13 in progress (+1.4%)
4. Military Barracks: 153 (16.7%) + 21 in progress (+2.3%)
5. Forts: 128 (13.9%) + 10 in progress (+1.1%)
6. Hospitals: 94 (10.2%) + 16 in progress (+1.7%)
7. Guilds: 38 (4.1%) + 8 in progress (+0.9%)
8. Stables: 65 (7.1%) + 18 in progress (+2%)
9. Dungeons: 32 (3.5%) + 5 in progress (+0.5%)

i plan to do a science or elite pump after war, at the same time pump wizard. Any recommended strat? Thanks VT2

for starters, there is sooooo much wrong with current build... but that's not the point...

also, your indecisivness is bad =)

but, for both science and elites, use something like this

10% farms
30% banks
10% TG's
30% guilds
10 stables

10% either schools or arms

and ToG your mana away =)
stables = TG's are there to stop people going "ooooh, free land"

My current build is customised to the current war, so if it isn't the model war strat i apologize for showing it here, and yes it is not the point..

why tg? i am puzzled.. and why not armouries if i am pumping elites?


i am thinking of

23% homes
5% farms
18% armouries
15% rax
30% guild
9% stables

or

37% homes
6% farms
18% armouries
30% guild
9% stables

what do you reckon?

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why tg + stables? i am puzzled.. and why no rax if i am pumping elites?

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stables = TG's are there to stop people going "ooooh, free land"

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they give you some offense, which you need to stop people just feeding on you....

and barracks are useless for pumping elites:

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Barracks

The Barracks are an other military oriented building. The employees of the Barracks are in charge of your military logistics, and a well-equipped army will reach the enemy land faster, making yourself less vulnerable to attacks while your troops are in campaign.

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i will not be releasing my off specs when i was doing the pump.. and i intend to do learn attack and plunder at the same time.

i am quite an active attacker and hence the rax. :)

why not attack when i can? such a waste of offense is what i feel.

can you review my strat again?


thanks

*sigh*

did you actually read what i posted???

unless you are REALLY good at finding plunders, you are better off saving your mana for ToG

the TG's and rax are there to allow you to attack, but i dont think you'll gain more from extra hits than you would from extra banks/ToG

you are a de with tog, therefor when you pump elites or sci you run high banks and tog all your mana. the build _greenie posted is pretty standard, you can always bump arms up a bit (take some % from farms, little from guilds maybe)

thanks =) i will balance out the maths after my exam tmr.. i can't wait for after war! elite and science pump.

vt2 is awful quiet.. :P

VT2 was away and asleep.

Strat/Build for a Gnome/Rogue looking to be an A/T please! =D

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Originally Posted by trendyman

Strat/Build for a Gnome/Rogue looking to be an A/T please! =D

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get thieves, get elites, get dspecs
get some TD's, TG's guilds, towers, banks farms and home

done =)

other option is that you try and come up with something yourself, and then ask us to give feedback =)

hows this?

15 homes
15 guilds
15 forts
15 tg
15 td

7 stables
8 farms
10 banks

thing is, i dont have towers =/

remove forts! get towers and rax

Your defense is peoples' inability to get SoM's on you - not loads of forts.

I'm playing Elf with 65% draft, 80 Mod OPA w/ Generals, 80 Mod DPA. 1140 acres. Running 15% TG's. Is it worth it to boost TG's to 20%?

Also paying 200% wages.

Also, what is the max wage rate?

200%

Hi all
First of all this is my first age and I restarted about one week ago.
I random-ed into one of top 100 kd. Now most of them are around 150k-250k nw and 1.3-1.9 acres. From the start, I focus on military training and now I think I have enough force to break most around my size. I want some advices and tips for growth strat to grow as fast as possible. Please take a look at my province.
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Server: World of Legends (Age 45)
Utopian Date: January 8th, YR5 (28% in the day)
RL Date: December 12th, 2009 (11:17 GMT)

Ruler Name: #################
Personality & Race: The War Hero, Orc
Land: 571 Acres
Money: 1,260,806gc (9,810gc daily income)
Food: 168,731 bushels
Runes: 28,944 runes
Population: 14,328 citizens (25.09 per Acre)
Peasants: 4,317 (78% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: -153,033gc (0% tax rate)

ME+Stance (no spells): 117.35% off. / 105% def.
Soldiers: 0 (67.1% estimated draft rate)
Goblins: 1,987 (11,659 offense)
Trolls: 3,829 (20,103 defense)
Ogres: 3,094 (29,047 offense / 6,497 defense)
War-Horses: 3,000 (up to 3,521 additional offense)
Prisoners: 0

Total Modified Offense: 44,226 (77.45 per Acre)
Practical (100% elites): 44,226 (77.45 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 26,600 (46.58 per Acre)
Practical (0% elites): 20,103 (35.21 per Acre)

Thieves: 710 (1.24 per Acre / 100% Stealth)
Wizards: 391 (0.68 per Acre / 86% Mana)

Crystal-Ball on your province will show:
Max. Possible Thieves/Wizards: 1,680 (2.94 / Acre)
Estimated Thieves Number: 672 (1.18 per Acre)
Estimated Wizards Number: 252 (0.44 per Acre)

** Networth Table: **
Total Networth: 91,196gc (159.71 per Acre)
Land (90% built): 29,121gc (32%) - [15+40gc]
Ogres: 20,884gc (23%) - [6.75gc]
Trolls: 19,145gc (21%) - [5gc]
Goblins: 7,948gc (9%) - [4gc]
Peasants: 4,317gc (5%) - [1gc]
Thieves: 2,840gc (3%) - [4gc]
Science (estimated): 2,316gc (3%) - [1/92gc]
War Horses: 1,800gc (2%) - [0.6gc]
Wizards: 1,564gc (2%) - [4gc]
Money: 1,261gc (1%) - [1/1000gc]

Buildings: 896gc to build, 493gc to raze
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Personality & Race: The War Hero, Orc

** Summary **
Non-Peasants: 69.7%
Efficiency (SoM): 117.3% off., 105% def., 100% raw
Net Offense at Home (from Utopia): 44,226
Net Defense at Home (from Utopia): 26,600
Modified Attack points (calculated): 44,207
Modified Defense points (calculated): 26,600

** Standing Army (At Home) **
Goblins: 1,987 (11,654 offense)
Trolls: 3,829 (20,102 defense)
Ogres: 3,094 (29,034 offense / 6,497 defense)
War Horses: 3,000 (up to 3,519 additional offense)
Total Attack points: 44,207
Total Defense points: 26,600

** Troops in Training **
Trolls: 133 (698 defense)
Next 11 hours: 12 13 12 13 11 13 12 13 12 11 11
Ogres: 113 (1,060 offense / 237 defense)
Next 12 hours: 11 10 12 10 11 10 12 10 11 5 6 5
Thieves: 139
Next 11 hours: 12 13 13 12 13 13 12 13 13 12 13
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Survey / Buildings Report Information

Server: World of Legends (Age 45)
Building Efficiency: 77.9%
Kingdom Stance: Normal

1. Farms: 51 (8.9%)
2. Banks: 113 (19.8%)
3. Training Grounds: 96 (16.8%)
4. Military Barracks: 57 (10%)
5. Hospitals: 85 (14.9%)
6. Guilds: 85 (14.9%)
7. Towers: 29 (5.1%)
8. Stables: 50 (8.8%)

Total Land: 571 Acres (99.1% built)

** Effects Summary (Available Buildings Only) **
1. Produce 2,791 bushels (3,489 with FL)
2. 2,201gc, +15.46% income
3. +16.34% offense bonus
4. -10.5% attack time
5. 19.74% cure plague, -29.61% military losses
6. Training about 1.32 wizards per hour
7. Produce 271 runes per hour
8. Produce 39 horses/hour, hold 3,000 horses
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Server: World of Legends (Age 45)
Land: 571 Acres
Books to Allocate: 0 books

** Effects Summary (Known Science Only) **
4.6% Income (6,138 points)
0% Building Effectiveness
2.4% Population Limits (7,890 points)
28.8% Food Production (7,423 points)
0% Gains in Combat
0% Thievery Effectiveness
0% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production

** Science Points in Progress **
Alchemy: 1,533 points in progress
Tools: 2,857 points in progress
Food: 21 points in progress
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I am thinking of adding some homes in build strat.
I know my science sucks. I shut down the research to save gc for training.
Now I am running in sustain.
Btw, my kd is looking for war. If there is no one around my size in oppoent kd, what will be the best deed for me in war?
Thank you......

You need more elites, less banks, and barracks.

20% training grounds is always useful.

Thanks for your insight. I was stuck thinking in the box as an orc attacker. You've made me realize as an orc I only need to make 2 things: Food, & more orcs. By dropping 25% banks I am running, I free up enough land for 10% TD, 10% Hospitals, & & another few %s in rax. My question for you is at what point do you feel that TG stop giving enough offense? I was running 25%, but dropping that to 20% opens some very nice doors(attacking 3 times a day). But I'd hate to give up too much & not be able to hit the turtles.

stick with 20%. TD's? id skip the TD's and rather build something else, homes could be one option. youll need more sci + thieves if you wanna be an a/t. for now just grow some through attacking.

20% tends to be the upper limit for most buildings, but if you're in a position where desperate measures are required, you can press anything up to 50%.
Thieves' dens are only ever useful if you go for offensive actions with your thieves, and then they become mandatory.

I'm already running 25% homes

My general strat looks like this:
Homes:25
Farms: 8
TG: 20
Rax: 12
Hos: 10
Guil: 10
Tow: 5
TD: 10

I'm actually worried that the homes is too much, but it does give me more orcs, and a higher BE. I'm wondering if 10% TD is enough. I'd like to use the thieves to get me horses, supplement my income to help me keep up those leets, & weaken my targets. Seems like a big job for just 10%.

Looks decent enough, but 5% towers won't give you enough runes to do anything at all, and 25% homes is too much.
Up your towers a couple percent, or ditch towers completely, and either steal runes from idiots, or have your teammates give some to you when you need magic.

You want 10-20% thieves' dens, depending on what ops you favor, and how much you rely on T to do damage.
Unless you plan to run hardcore nighstrikes and kidnappings on people, 10% might be enough, since all the loot-ops are easy.

After this war I relise that I have made several mistakes. The biggest problem I had was keeping up with the stupid ammount of land I was taking in. The second, related to the first was lack of defense. It made me an easier target, which is good in as much that they focused too many attacks on me, thus lowering thier gains, bad in that I lost some acres too this war. Third, I looked over my build strat. I found glaring mistakes, such as 25% banks, overspending on homes, Training Grounds, & Towers. Fourth, I need to hybrid somehow, as straight attacker is not bad, A/T is managble & much more useful.

I think I could be doing more. At first I was very concerned about rainbowing, but after reevaluation the bonuses from buildings, running more than 20% of something hits you whit some pretty bad diminished returns. With Thief Hybrid I can steal the GC, Runes, & horses I need, & save myself about 25% land on banks. Keeping my Old strat in mind, here is the new ****.

Homes: 20%
Farms: 8%
TG: 20%
Rax: 17%
Hos: 10%
Guilds: 10%
TD: 15%

At 1k acres it looks like this:

Mod Max @ 1k= 27398
Military @ 1k= 17808.7
Def spec @ 1k= 8000
off leets @ 1k= 5808 = 46 Raw OPA(52 w/ horses)
Thieves @ 1k= 2000
Wizards @ 1k= 2000
Pesants @ 1k= 9590

Mod off @ 1k= 74126
Mod OPA @ 1k= 74 MOD opa

tl;dr : Running 100opa is fun, but if it's just you, you are the primary target.

Big thanks to VT2 for his help in cracking open the boxed in thinking of a stupid Orc heavy attacker.

How do I run effective thievery rob operations, including finding targets on oow?
I am losing more thieves than I gain. :(

Find targets that are rich, run an infiltrate with 8 thieves, and keep trying until you get through.
If the game estimates them to have greater thieves than you, find another target, or just run a plunder instead.

Dwarves tend to have weak T, and don't like wasting land on watchtowers outside of war.
Many humans, typically run by new players, also have little T and M, so go hunting for them.

Have a question for the wise, concerning warring strategy: for ages we have been warring mainly relying on massacres. At the begining we've been waving 100% massacres for days and most of the times we gained the upper hand but at the time we were switching to landgrabs the oponent kingdom withdraws, leaving some of our members overpoped or severely troubled for acres.

When we were luckier and managed to complete the massacre plan before minimum time, we were landfat, and, because we were playing hybrid, our t/m abilities were seriously decreased because of this, making the war longer than it should be.

At present day, massacre strategy is stil used but we also have some acre targets, aside massacred ones. Stil, after a round of massacres, they get NSed, like 20-30% of their defense, and at the end they become land target. My point is that i find the process too long and complicated and would like to hear your sugestions. Don't promise to make use of them but it would be nice to read them out.

We're playing Hybrids and T/M and the new guys are undefined yet, but they do make their part of attacks, at least. Also we are not superactive, most of us loging in 2 times/war-day, but there are a bunch of superactive people that keep their armies out 24/7 and also oping.

open with trads, then move on to trads, followed by a few more trads.

Massacres are a sticky question, you can land more of them without making hostilities rise super fast, but they really do not do all that much damage...how many massacres do you need on a mage or a thief before they are actually feeling it?

Experienced thieves will just get gold back and just retrain the thieves. We did face a KD a few ages ago who came into war time and massacred our mages for two days, it didnt cripple them, just made it annoying has they had to rebuild buildings, and massacre effects in war are greater.

But conclusion....+10 to Biship, trads are the way to go

Massacres are only good during war, when they do more damage.
To start war, grab some land, do a couple learns, or plunder any rich people.

To the Great and Glorious VT2, Pwner of N00bs and Probably Also a Fleshlight Owner:

With the new changes in Raze, how does one deal with an economically superior kingdom? Our old strat would have been to Raze teh flux out of their humans and possible banks to prevent dragons from coming in, but now we seem to be forced to use trads and hope we can fund our lizards faster.

Our wizards are running into a lot of trouble, so MS and greed isn't as prevalent as it should be. I think we've got this war down, but next time we walk into room and see this, what do?

Trad till overpop isn't as effective as I'd like it to be. Perhaps more thievery? Massacres and hope they don't get a land advantage? Buy Utopia and take the server down for repairs till armies get home? WAT DO?

Kidnappings and fireballs.
No peasants, no income.

If they're playing human, number two tends to be very easy.

Hey vt2. I'm totally new to this game and was wondering if you can give advice or build for me?

I'm planning on making a Dark Elf T/M but not sure what personality or build to make.

T/M is dead.
If you absolutely must run a T/M the coming age, gnome is probably your safest bet.
Same defense as elf and dark elf, but less networth.

Tag with rogue or mystic.

Dwarf Art for upcoming age. A/M

OOW
6.5% Farms
14% Banks
15% TG
10% rax
10% hosp
13% Guilds
1.5% Dungeons
8% Stables
7% Towers
10% Homes
5% Arms

i love the rainbow.
War would drop the arms+banks+some homes and drop em into WT+Towers+dungeons.

why so many farms with ur dwarf art strat 4% was plenty for me this age and i only had like 20% sci

more like this. i dont see the point in posting OOW builds just go with w/e you need.

1. Homes: 328 (10%)
2. Farms: 98 (3%)
3. Banks: 328 (10%)
4. Training Grounds: 492 (15%)
5. Military Barracks: 328 (10%)
6. Forts: 262 (8%)
7. Hospitals: 328 (10%)
8. Guilds: 295 (9%)
9. Towers: 328 (10%)
10. Watch Towers: 328 (10%)
11. Stables: 98 (3%)
12. Dungeons: 66 (2%)

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T/M is dead.
If you absolutely must run a T/M the coming age, gnome is probably your safest bet.
Same defense as elf and dark elf, but less networth.

Tag with rogue or mystic.

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so t/m is a no go then? What would be a good race/personality for a new guy to use?