Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

[Sheister]

now now pillz,

he could be smoking the pot of cognitive dissonance....

[Sweetiepie]

We would be happy to move on for an apology.

This is like dealing with the small weird kid at school who smells bad and picks his nose. He has got hold of your marbles, he won't give them back unless you give him a kiss in the playground.

What you have to decide is whether to let him keep your marbles while you shout it's not fair, wear a disguise next term, or give him a kiss and let him feel he's won while you get your marbles back and enjoy playing with them and laugh with your friends behind his back at how simple minded he is.

Or you can keep the epic saga going, guess the forum's got more action out of this than it has for a long time. It even got me posting and that's real hard.

Your choice really Kestrel, it's in your hands.

[Papa Legba]

Lol @ this papa legba fellow.

In this thread logs have shown Abi to be lying many times. By abi's own admission she explains to the random how to kill us (though she lies as to the circumstances).

I am aware of Abi's "instruction" and the circumstances in which it happened. If you choose not to believe her, it's not my problem. I believe Abi, you believe yours. But your kingdom has the burden of proof since you are the accuser, and you haven't provided a single piece of convincing evidence to support your suspicion. Until then, I will stick to my own belief on what happened.

Why is your monarch instructing one of our random how to kill us during sensitive negotiations that both kds had explicitly agreed would be between just two KD members?

Your random wanted to be the monarch and wanted to raze you all down to take the claim. It was a kindly gesture of passing down the info from a veteran to a noob on how the mechanism works. Whether or not he really razed you is really none of our concern; we ceased all razes on you during the negotiation and your random acted on his own will. We won't stop him from razing you if he had his own agenda since it had nothing to do with this conflict.

[Pillz]

I am aware of Abi's "instruction" and the circumstances in which it happened. If you choose not to believe her, it's not my problem. I believe Abi, you believe yours. But your kingdom has the burden of proof since you are the accuser, and you haven't provided a single piece of convincing evidence to support your suspicion. Until then, I will stick to my own belief on what happened.



Your random wanted to be the monarch and wanted to raze you all down to take the claim. It was a kindly gesture of passing down the info from a veteran to a noob on how the mechanism works. Whether or not he really razed you is really none of our concern; we ceased all razes on you during the negotiation and your random acted on his own will. We won't stop him from razing you if he had his own agenda since it had nothing to do with this conflict.

Full retard: the kingdom

Thank God you don't have long left. But on the other hand, maybe concentrating all this stupidity to one named **** hole is beneficial to the server.

Guess we'll find out.

[Papa Legba]

Full retard: the kingdom

Thank God you don't have long left. But on the other hand, maybe concentrating all this stupidity to one named **** hole is beneficial to the server.

Guess we'll find out.

I know you think you are the smartest guy in the room but just because you say radical things (i.e. "Hitler didn't do anything that is objectively bad", "Hitler's house deserves to be preserved more than Anne Frank's", "[while discussing holocaust] who cares about gays and disabled?", "Jews didn't pay up") doesn't mean you are the beacon of all intellect. You've responded to my post twice in the past 30 minute, and at both times you've called me a retard on each post and hardly any reason other than "you are wrong because you are DD, I am right because I'm not DD". Now tell me why I should take you seriously?

[Pillz]

I know you think you are the smartest guy in the room but just because you say radical things (i.e. "Hitler didn't do anything that is objectively bad", "Hitler's house deserves to be preserved more than Anne Frank's", "[while discussing holocaust] who cares about gays and disabled?", "Jews didn't pay up") doesn't mean you are the beacon of all intellect. You've responded to my post twice in the past 30 minute, and at both times you've called me a retard on each post and hardly any reason other than "you are wrong because you are DD, I am right because I'm not DD". Now tell me why I should take you seriously?

Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.weve demonstrated that Abi talks out her ass at every chance, since our first day of communication. All relevant PMs and logs have been provided.

Your and your kingdoms paranoia doesn't change the facts, which are that Samsung contacted Abi and then began killing us. He provided the PMs exchanged and his and his summary of events. And he did contact us once we began to stir and respond to his actions. Why, who can say?

As for "she did nothing wrong", you have to be lacking something upstairs to not see he fault in our opponent's monarch communicating details of how to kill us to a random ass province 24 hours after she agreed to one-on-one negotiations between Bishop and Krynn. And doing so during the course of those negotiations. Even Korp and I declined to steal the thunder from that agreement, at least until after it was revealed Abi had helped orchestrate Korp's perma kill.

I mean... If it was one of your drones I could understand. But how you don't see the issue in your monarch circumventing negotiations she helped arrange and agree to... What the ****?

And why the assaults on our reputations at every opportunity? None of us in this kingdom are liars, and thus far no evidence has been put forth to suggest we are. But time after time that's what you insist. Similarly with Bishop's "abuses" left and right.

Meanwhile, a half dozen examples of Abi lying to us have been presented... I can screen **** you our ingame forum with the original PMs where she claims to be good friend with our monarch (Korp) and says Octo "doesn't think very highly of us". There is a channel full of people with logs of the time she insisted retroactively that Krynn had no authority to make a deal with me. We've given ample logs & a PM regarding the perma kill stuff. And she's lied about other things as well, that I'm probably forgetting.

So what am I supposed to call you if not retarded, when you blindly follow Abi to slaughter to protect her reputation (which never existed to begin with)?

[Papa Legba]

Your and your kingdoms paranoia doesn't change the facts, which are that Samsung contacted Abi and then began killing us. He provided the PMs exchanged and his and his summary of events. And he did contact us once we began to stir and respond to his actions. Why, who can say

As for "she did nothing wrong", you have to be lacking something upstairs to not see he fault in our opponent's monarch communicating details of how to kill us to a random ass province 24 hours after she agreed to one-on-one negotiations between Bishop and Krynn. And doing so during the course of those negotiations. Even Korp and I declined to steal the thunder from that agreement, at least until after it was revealed Abi had helped orchestrate Korp's perma kill.

I mean... If it was one of your drones I could understand. But how you don't see the issue in your monarch circumventing negotiations she helped arrange and agree to... What the ****?

I never said Abi did "nothing wrong". As a matter of fact, I implied the opposite - that both sides are at fault to some degree and that the fair term would be for both sides to apology if you really want to go that route.

This is getting repetitive and I'm tired of regurgitating the same explanation for the third time today. All you are doing is speculating. It's not some "random ass province", it's a province that reached out to her asking for explanation on how to become a monarch (again, on his own will, we have no part in his decision). You haven't brought anything new to the table, try again.

And why the assaults on our reputations at every opportunity? None of us in this kingdom are liars, and thus far no evidence has been put forth to suggest we are. But time after time that's what you insist. Similarly with Bishop's "abuses" left and right.

I never call you or anyone in your kingdom a liar. All I'm saying is that you have built a reputation of side-tracking from the real issue based on postulates backed by groundless assumptions.

Meanwhile, a half dozen examples of Abi lying to us have been presented... I can screen **** you our ingame forum with the original PMs where she claims to be good friend with our monarch (Korp) and says Octo "doesn't think very highly of us".

And this is relevant how? I don't know what Abi's intention was in saying that (could be a bluff, a typo, or numerous other reasons) but I fail to see how this plays into the issue of us deliberately refusing to move on from this conflict.

There is a channel full of people with logs of the time she insisted retroactively that Krynn had no authority to make a deal with me.

And how does this make Abi dishonest? Did Abi tell you that Krynn had an authority to make deals on his behalf before this happened? (honest question - I wasn't there to review the log)

So what am I supposed to call you if not retarded

If you are incapable of having a discussion without resorting to name-calling, it tells more about you. It could work in school playground but people get educated and learn the proper way to argue. Apparently you got left behind. Learn to argue.

[Krynn]

This has gone on long enough....

[Band of Horses]

This has gone on long enough....

Like 45 ages too long.

#Disband

[Palem]

Play nice pillz

[Over]

Any tldr version?

[MyNameIsMatija]

And why the assaults on our reputations at every opportunity? None of us in this kingdom are liars, and thus far no evidence has been put forth to suggest we are.

I'm not sure what your exact definition of a liar would be but I've found Korp lying a few times in the past (about this conflict I wouldn't know).
As for evidence I'll use Bishop's: "Honestly, he lies." That's the norm set by you right?

[MyNameIsMatija]

Any tldr version?

Abi mouths off but can't handle the heat.
Bishop is still sticking to his authoritative arguments but he seems to be having fun so who cares.
Sheister is funny.
Rizen is king.
Steel is mad.

Probably forgot a few others but you get the gist of it.

[Pillz]

Korp likes to twist people's words up but I've never seen him straight up lie about something. Like bragging about being in communication with someone he doesn't know...

And @ papa legba - what side issues? The in game issue is simple. You hit us, you're paying for it, and at no loss to us or our kingdom.

Utopia is about at meta as games come to subsequent issues like Abi's chronic lying and slander do play an important role in negotiating a settlement. Our offers are only 'extreme' on the acre side of things because they can be. You've made it clear you have no intention of losing face with an apology and we aren't going to let you walk away without paying a toll.

For Bishop that toll is razing into all your wars.
For some of us it has become a bit more final. Maybe you can keep a diary of it and DD can be posthumously famous like your girl Anne Frank, Idk.

From your initial diplo with sheister to your initial diplo with us your KD has over played its hand and now you're in a position where this will continue until you give in, you disband, or the game comes down.

I maintain our side has done nothing wrong, by the way.

"random ass province" is in reference to the fact he randomly landed in our kingdom while the wall was down. What he wanted or reached out to you for is irrelevant. You agreed, and Abi in particular, to bishop/Krynn talks. Abi directly and intentionally went around that by communicating with this random province.

You have no leg to stand on with your "passing down knowledge" bull**** since you have already revealed publicly how you deal with new provinces in your own kingdom.

Krynn was the one who said he had authority. So maybe Abi made a liar out of Krynn. Which is unfortunate, he seems like an OK fellow thrust in a bad position by worse friends.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Korp straight up lies about not hitting bigger KDs as a form of FSU page 36/37 of this thread for one, honestly.