Best Kingdom ever?

[Bishop]

Keep the discussions civil please.

[Palem]

Because, even if you can see that in the past, when trading was illegal, same kingdoms were in top as now, when trading is legal, which means trading does not have a deciding factor on the fact that a kingdom is top or not, you still jump up and down, like a retarded monkey, yelling "trading! trading! cheater! cheater!".

Did those top kds suddenly stop trading once it was legalized? I'm a little confused on the point here. They still trade and if they didn't I'm pretty sure they'd fall from the the very top. Might not be a long fall, but still a fall.

@Fates: The discussion isn't "The top kds cheated and mine didn't, so my kd was better than the top kds </discussion>", nor should it be. You should know that leadership is what makes a kd run and top kds have the best leadership. If those leaders were somewhere else, the kds that they're in would still be the best. These facts have nothing to do with trading.

What you should be concerned with maintaining is that trading supplied an undeniable advantage other those who respected the game's rules. I'm honestly pretty sure that if my first serious kd had traded, they would have been a kd that competed at the top. I'm not saying we would gone up and just dominated, because clearly we wouldn't have, but we would have been so much better off and from there we could have gotten even better because we were competing with higher quality players.

The problem is, I don't know if this would have happened, I can only guess, and the same can be said for anyone who wants to disagree with me.

[Korp]

Thou one thing im 100% sure off is that those that did agree that trading was a socially acceptable thing have had plenty of more fun than those that "stuck to their ethics" (kudos to them but yea, wouldnt wanna be there).

[WolfDGrey]

I did not now or ever say that kingdoms now are cheating

Hahaha! That is hilarious. Of course you are saying that, by stamping the "cheater" tag on everybody who does not agree with you! And THAT, is dumb!

Look here in your own post:

...point out the truth about cheating when these cheaters claim how great their kingdoms were...

You talk about "cheaters" and "they claim" at present time and that brings them into present. That means you tag them "cheaters" in the present. That also means they are "still cheaters" and so the kingdoms they are in. Which by any ethical rule of debate is malevolent, derogatory and on top of that idiotic, because we all can see trough that weak political tactic of yours to gain advantage and a high horse.

Especially when you have no proof, just hearsay and gossip to back up your words, which again makes you the loser with no cause. That is why people do not agree with you and we consider you an unskilled envious egomaniac.

Never have I been banned. Can you say the same?

Banned? Yes, I can say, I never been banned. Damn, there does one more of your flagship argument to feel better yourself by spitting on others.

Did those top kds suddenly stop trading once it was legalized? I'm a little confused on the point here.

Fates point is that top kingdoms were top, because they had an "unfair advantage" over the others by trading. Now everybody has the same advantages, yet same kingdoms are in top. So the real point is that, the advantages Fates claim some kingdoms had, mean absolutely nothing, their weight in the argument is zero, because everybody has same ground now and those who won in the past should loose now, since, according to Fates dumb argument, they won only because they had "unfair advantages", but Fates kingdom is so good that they would had won in a "fair" enviroment.

You can see with your own eyes that this is not the case and the kingdoms kept their places regardless of the "advantages lost".

That means 4 things:
1) Top kds were more skilled and dedicated in the past than the others.
2) Top kds are more skilled and dedicated now than the others.
3) Trading has no real effect in top placement, since regardless of trading top positions remained same.
4) Fates and his kingdom sucked in the past and sucks now too, even when nobody has "unfair advantages" over him.

[VT2]

<back under your bridge>

[Korp]

Now everybody has the same advantages, yet same kingdoms are in top.

Well thats not quite true is it, a kingdom that traded in the past when it was illegal has a somewhat advantage over those that didnt. Your point would be valid if nobody had traded in in the past then every would have the same advantages. You cant say a kingdom with 20-25 prov that havent traded before has the same advantages that a kd handpicked people to their kd when it wasnt allowed.

[Palem]

That means 4 things:
1) Top kds were more skilled and dedicated in the past than the others.
2) Top kds are more skilled and dedicated now than the others.
3) Trading has no real effect in top placement, since regardless of trading top positions remained same.
4) Fates and his kingdom sucked in the past and sucks now too, even when nobody has "unfair advantages" over him.

The only one I'm disagreeing with is #3. Trading most certainly does have an effect on top placement. I'm sure that if one of the top kds stopped trading, then they would fall. Prolly not off the charts or anything, considering their leadership, but it would have an effect and I'm willing to bet they couldn't maintain their top spot.

You're point is that trading doesn't matter, which is ridiculous.

[Gakundra]

Hello friends.

Back to the topic at hand.

Pansies!

Back to studying for finals.

Bye

~Gakundra

<3 to you all

[Korp]

omg HI GAK, you should come and visit some day!

[Drosta]

The best kingdom ever is a toss-up between either Orphans, Lothlorien or Pokerface.

The rest of the kingdoms mentioned are either Absalom or Romanian kingdoms thus they are disqualified due to cheating / foulplay.

[Korp]

What you been smoking, all those kds that you have mentioned has cheated in some way. Plus the ones you mentioned has never ever achieved anything worth mentioning. I dont think a single "romanian kingdom " has been mentioned but several other kds that havent been in abs. So, you're post in all in every aspect is useless.

[maugrim]

Faith/Identity Crisis/dropbearz

[Fates Warning]

Hahaha! That is hilarious. Of course you are saying that, by stamping the "cheater" tag on everybody who does not agree with you! And THAT, is dumb!

Now your making **** up. I have not claimed everyone that doesn't agree with me is a cheater. Why do you feel you have to make **** up?

Look here in your own post:

Yep I did. Nothing you claim to be there is there... I don't know what your smoking.

You talk about "cheaters" and "they claim" at present time and that brings them into present. That means you tag them "cheaters" in the present. That also means they are "still cheaters" and so the kingdoms they are in. Which by any ethical rule of debate is malevolent, derogatory and on top of that idiotic, because we all can see trough that weak political tactic of yours to gain advantage and a high horse.

Here you go making **** up again. Throw in the fact that what you wrote above simply makes no sense at all. Looks like you are trying bend and twist things to save face because you made a stupid post.

Especially when you have no proof, just hearsay and gossip to back up your words, which again makes you the loser with no cause. That is why people do not agree with you and we consider you an unskilled envious egomaniac.

Just Hearsay and gossip? LMFAO... Yea, 12 years of playing and all I have is hearsay and gossip. Try again guy. Your failing miserably in trying to attack me. If you did not know that stuff was going on in the top then you have no credibility to even post here on this subject.

Banned? Yes, I can say, I never been banned. Damn, there does one more of your flagship argument to feel better yourself by spitting on others.

All I did was ask Morbid Angel the question in response to this that he wrote to me.

But ofc, when someone lacks arguments he starts to yell. Keep yelling sir, keep yelling, I don't mind you being banned. :)

I did not post that question to you. There you go taking my postings out of context.

Fates point is that top kingdoms were top, because they had an "unfair advantage" over the others by trading. Now everybody has the same advantages, yet same kingdoms are in top. So the real point is that, the advantages Fates claim some kingdoms had, mean absolutely nothing, their weight in the argument is zero, because everybody has same ground now and those who won in the past should loose now, since, according to Fates dumb argument, they won only because they had "unfair advantages", but Fates kingdom is so good that they would had won in a "fair" enviroment.

Yep. That is my claim. Here is a very simple example that even you should be able to understand. Take 25 provinces scattered across the globe that all have different log-in times and different levels of access and activity. Now take 25 provinces that all live in the same time zone, all can log-in at the drop of a hat and all are highly dedicated to this game. Now tell me who wins a war between the 2. At this point it has nothing to do with skill. When skill comes into play is when you have nearly the same activity and dedication to the game in both kingdoms.

You can see with your own eyes that this is not the case and the kingdoms kept their places regardless of the "advantages lost".

That means 4 things:
1) Top kds were more skilled and dedicated in the past than the others.
2) Top kds are more skilled and dedicated now than the others.
3) Trading has no real effect in top placement, since regardless of trading top positions remained same.
4) Fates and his kingdom sucked in the past and sucks now too, even when nobody has "unfair advantages" over him.

1) No. Top kingdoms illegally traded and recruited more skilled and dedicated players in the past.
2) I do not disagree with. Never claimed anything different. Again people making **** up.
3) No. It did and still does. How do you think all that skill and leadership got into those kingdoms in the 1st place. Some have even lost their hold on the top spots and have slipped a little now that everything that they had been doing in the past is LEGAL.
4) Again making **** up to attack me. I never have claimed my kingdom sucked or still sucks. I love my kingdom of the last 6 years. It's you and your buddies that have stated that I suck over and over and over again. Not me.

[Fates Warning]

I guess to the rest of us its quite obvious, even with all those years in the same kd you never achieved anything worth mentioning.

Okay... my point is proven. You can't find anything to point to on 'why I suck' other than I have never posted any achievement worth mentioning. And that in itself is a silly statement. What one player or one kingdom sees as a achievement is not the same as what another player or kingdom will see as an achievement. What is considered an achievement depends on the level of dedication you have to the game. I've always said that I am a 'casual' player. So while charting in the top 30 kingdoms might be an achievement to me or you, to a top 10 kingdom it is not.

Talking about simpletons, you been yelling "cheater cheater cheater" but whenever someone asked you to provide some proof you have failed to deliver any kind of proof.

Yet when I am asked to name kingdoms and the 1st one I list is Brute Force and ask if I should continue I am responded to with silence. lol.

So do you, he never claimed you said that either.

No I don't. And yes he did.

[Fates Warning]

You are truly retarded or you cant read, cause nobody in here has ever denied that they were cheating. They question your ability to judge them cause you have no proof, you just assume cause they were in top they must cheat cause that how it must be!!

So just because you don't anything about me you attack my postings and try to drag me through the mud even when what I am posting is correct. Nice. And how many people have you attacked in this thread about their assumptions about me with no proof? Answer=0