Best Kingdom ever?

[Fates Warning]

Point out what truth? All you've done is spew out your tunnel vision garbage about how the great kd's were only great because they cheated. It's quite obvious that few other people agree with you, because they know that the kind of cheating (trading) that these kd's were actually doing wasn't what made them great. They were great because of their skill and dedication. Trading was merely a way of speeding up the process of getting the right players into the kd, something that would've been possible to do without cheating at all, although it would've taken more time. Cheating is not what made them great, and you've failed utterly at showing anything resembling the opposite. People who keep reiterating the same crap without having anything to add to the discussion are the real simpletons (read: you). You're talking about stuff you have no clue about.

Disagree totally. They illegally traded in the skill and dedicated players. And back before OMAC took over there is no way on this gods green earth that they EVER all would have randomed into the same kingdom. And I do know what I am talking about. Your just assuming since you don't know me that I don't. Get over it.

There has been a culture of cheating acceptance in the way that trading used to be socially acceptable.

Thank you. And now you can STFU with the attacks on me for saying exactly that. Damn.

It has been legal for ages now, and most of your posts are from after the trading system was introduced. Basically you're whining about cheating because you're compensating for your own lack of success. You desperately want someone or something else to blame, because you can't accept that the problem is you. There is no reason at all for you to not be in a top kd today if you're so good. No one has to cheat to win with the current rules. You don't have to trade illegally, you don't have to use resource or intel farms, you don't have to xlog. You don't even need to fake war if you don't want to. I know this for a fact, because I've actually been up there on the charts without breaking a single rule.

Actually you are wrong again. I simply post exactly what you posted in the last quote you made before this one and then I spend 100 postings defending myself from personal attacks for posting what you yourself just posted. lol

I.e. you can't blame cheating for your lack of success, but you still are. That makes you pathetic, and that's what's sad in this thread. Sure, there are still cheaters in the game, I'm not denying that. The point is that they're not better than anyone else. Cheating is a not a requirement, and is actually a lot more risky today than it ever was in the past.

Once again I have never blamed 'my lack of success' on cheating. As a matter of fact the only people who are using the words 'lack of success' are you and the others that are trying to attack my statements. And I agree with the rest of that quote in the present tense.

Oh, and btw, I've never been banned, ever. Never got deleted a single time in over 10 years of playing.

And again that question was not directed towards you. It was directed @ Morbid Angel and his post about me and getting banned. Why do you feel you need to answer a question directed at him?

[Korp]

Just Hearsay and gossip? LMFAO... Yea, 12 years of playing and all I have is hearsay and gossip. Try again guy. Your failing miserably in trying to attack me. If you did not know that stuff was going on in the top then you have no credibility to even post here on this subject.

Just cause you played a game long dont mean you know what goes on.. He has probably more credibility in here than you will ever get.

Okay... my point is proven. You can't find anything to point to on 'why I suck' other than I have never posted any achievement worth mentioning.

You have none to post, thats why just admit it that you are a crappy player.

What is considered an achievement depends on the level of dedication you have to the game. I've always said that I am a 'casual' player. So while charting in the top 30 kingdoms might be an achievement to me or you, to a top 10 kingdom it is not.

Anything worth mentioning is something that the is considered good is decided by the charts. Its not a individual thing its quite clear on whats good and whats not.

Yet when I am asked to name kingdoms and the 1st one I list is Brute Force and ask if I should continue I am responded to with silence. lol.

No i responded, I said any tool can name a kd but that isnt proof, you do know what proof is? Let me tell you, it doesnt just involve in naming a kd out of the blue it consist of much more than that.

So just because you don't anything about me you attack my postings and try to drag me through the mud even when what I am posting is correct. Nice. And how many people have you attacked in this thread about their assumptions about me with no proof? Answer=0

Its fairly obvious that you dont know how to read by now since it took me to sit down and explain to you how it is even if its out there in plain text. This whole discussion was about people having/not having proof about people cheating, yet you dont have provided anything that can be considered as proof to which kds cheated and which didnt. The only thing (and now I have to repeat myself) you've done is saying cause they are in the top. Well, that you're a crappy player is no assumption, since if you werent you would be able to provide something did prove that you werent for one thing. That the kd you played in cheated you already admitted yourself while denying it at the same time ofc.

[Korp]

And I do know what I am talking about. Your just assuming since you don't know me that I don't. Get over it.

No you dont know, all you done is running around screaming cheater yet havent dived into any deeper discussion about it all. You're like a pesant that was told witches exist, then there is that weird old lady that lives down by the road instead of thinking about it you grab your pitchfork and go around yelling witch witch etc.

I spend 100 postings defending myself from personal attacks for posting what you yourself just posted.

Criticising your skils in the game isnt personal attacks otherwise the moderators would have already intervened in here. Or you could have reported us then we would get banned! .. Which you havent and you know its pointless.

Once again I have never blamed 'my lack of success' on cheating.

Ofc you have, they cheated, unfair advantage, us honest players dont have a chance bla bla bla.

[Luc]

Disagree totally. They illegally traded in the skill and dedicated players. And back before OMAC took over there is no way on this gods green earth that they EVER all would have randomed into the same kingdom. And I do know what I am talking about. Your just assuming since you don't know me that I don't. Get over it.

1. It's not about having those exact players. It never was. A majority in every kd are replacable. You only need a few players to random in together, and that's far from impossible, especially if they keep trying. Good players gravitate toward good kd's even without trading. The poor players are quickly killed, and the others are motivated by the good leadership to stay. Being able to motivate players is the single most important thing, and one of the main reasons behind the success of any kd. Some of the great kd's have taken players that weren't planning on being more than casual players, and made them dedicated. That's a skill 99.5% of the kd's in the game do not possess.
2. No, I don't believe you know what you're talking about. Everything you've said in this forum points toward that you've never actually experienced any of what you're talking about first hand.

Thank you. And now you can STFU with the attacks on me for saying exactly that. Damn.

Nice job at taking that out of context. In no way did I support anything you've said. Trading was the only socially acceptable type of cheating, and your trading-is-the-reason-they-were-good argument is what everyone's questioning. It's also old news, because trading has been legal for quite a while now. It was a silly rule from the get go, which is why people never felt bad breaking it.

We're attacking you for 2 reasons:
1. We don't agree that trading is the means to all ends. We believe kd's were great not because of trading, but because of superior skill.
2. We don't think you know what you're talking about, because it seems rather clear that you're relying on second hand information. You can't prove that any single kd actually did cheat, so you have to rely on sweeping generalizations, which are not valid arguments.

Actually you are wrong again. I simply post exactly what you posted in the last quote you made before this one and then I spend 100 postings defending myself from personal attacks for posting what you yourself just posted. lol

See above. You're not being attacked because you said trading was socially acceptable like I did.

Once again I have never blamed 'my lack of success' on cheating. As a matter of fact the only people who are using the words 'lack of success' are you and the others that are trying to attack my statements. And I agree with the rest of that quote in the present tense.

When someone lacking first hand experience comes and attacks with such bitterness as you do, it's a fair assumption that such a person is driven by jealousy. I've seen no reason to reconsider, in your case.

And again that question was not directed towards you. It was directed @ Morbid Angel and his post about me and getting banned. Why do you feel you need to answer a question directed at him?

Simply a precaution, since you seem to enjoy logical fallacies.


Also, in an earlier post you showed more of your ignorance. Did you really think all successful kd's have players from only a single timezone? Then you need to think again, because that's ridiculous. Also, there are lots of players in this game who are capable of logging in at the drop of a hat. They just need to be motivated to. With great leadership and time spent on building a kd, you would be able to compete without trading. Most people would never spend that kinda time though, because the anti-trading rules were stupid.

As far as the top kd's in the game today, none of them deserve being called great. There is not a single great kd left in the game today. The ones up at the top do not have the same players they used to have, and their leaders aren't nearly as dedicated as they used to be.

This whole "success is subjective" bull**** is just that: bull****. We're talking about the greatest kd's ever, which means we have to at least try to be objective and find something measurable to judge kd's by. That you like playing in your kd has nothing to do with success. There's simply no way for you to show that other people aren't have even more fun than you are. The only thing we can do is consider chart placements, and speculate about warring capabilities. Subjective success means nothing to anyone but yourself, and has no place in this thread.

An interesting thought: if trading had been legal from the start, what would Fair Warning be screaming about in the forum today?

[VT2]

Stop lying.
Without the systematic, almost industrialized trading, the 'top' would never have managed to remain the top.

[Bishop]

And your proof for that statment is?

[Korp]

Without the systematic, almost industrialized trading, the 'top' would never have managed to remain the top.

Stop lying, the dedicated and skilled players would still be on top, which is what the top was. No bloody ghetto would suddenly end on top cause of that.

[VT2]

Absalom.
Always on top, unless they decide someone else can be.

[Korp]

Absalom. Always on top, unless they decide someone else can be.

Lies, next try?

[fuzzy|LLD]

sooo did we findout which kingdom was the best or do we need more mud slinging?

[Bishop]

we still haven't clarified under what circumstances are we allowed to suggest a kingdom. So far it seems any top charting kingdom is invalid.

[Korp]

I nominate whatever ghetto Fates Warning played in! They never cheated, always played by the rules! They never ranked high in the charts but the morale intergrity is admirable!!

[WolfDGrey]

I nominate whatever ghetto Fates Warning played in! They never cheated, always played by the rules! They never ranked high in the charts but the morale intergrity is admirable!!

Morale integrity exlcudes envy, malevolent manipulation and lies, so after Fates' actions here, they can't qualify on "morale integrity" basis.

[Palem]

...so can my kd be the best ever?

[brado]

ZZ is the best kd ever. noobs