Age 50 final changes comments

[DHaran]

Remove the +1 def to elf and give them back 7/4 elites.

Would it be remotely possible to know what sort of changes you are planning for science before mid-age?

Sages might be strongly affected and it'd be nice to get an idea before you pick the personna.

They can't change the science system mid-age.... It's just when they want to reopen the topic.

[lmtdconv92]

How come not only orc lost the +1 ospec, but noone recieved it at all?

[Magn]

They can't change the science system mid-age.... It's just when they want to reopen the topic.

Yes, re-reading the original message, you are right.

Thanks for the clarification.

we nerfed the 2 races that had basically 0 penalties, i dont see why this is a surprise ;)

My main beef is that you had one race that was most effective as an a/m and now you're making it more of a t/m race.

Faery already fills those shoes.

It would make more sense to orient elf to be an a/m race which would involve:

1) Giving them some bonus to magic (which they have)

2) Giving them competitive offensive strength (which they now lack)

[coboss]

we nerfed the 2 races that had basically 0 penalties, i dont see why this is a surprise ;)

I think its a surprise because you took a strength of a race and turned it into a weakness. 6/3 Elite? LOL who would attack with that? It has the worst NW efficiency of all the elites, costs $250 more than an Ospec and has little ability against an Ambush. Elf was looking like a strong attacker, now I wouldn't even consider it as an attacker. Even halfer is now a better attacker without hospitals.

Either way, it makes human and avian look much better.

[Avenger]

How come not only orc lost the +1 ospec, but noone recieved it at all?

Just noticed that. Give it to the lousy undead, along with harsher penalties ^^

[Pestermenot]

@ all who are saying, "Why'd you do THAT!?"

This reminds me of another discussion. Too bad the changes are final, and all your whining does is make you look whiny.

[cheetor67]

Yes, re-reading the original message, you are right.

Thanks for the clarification.



My main beef is that you had one race that was most effective as an a/m and now you're making it more of a t/m race.

Faery already fills those shoes.

It would make more sense to orient elf to be an a/m race which would involve:

1) Giving them some bonus to magic (which they have)

2) Giving them competitive offensive strength (which they now lack)

Agreed. Elves are now weaker than Halflings when it comes to military might, and they are still more expensive. Lol. Everyone is going to dump elves and grab a few faeries and humans... perhaps that was the point, though. To make Fae's playable.

[Magn]

@ all who are saying, "Why'd you do THAT!?"

This reminds me of another discussion. Too bad the changes are final, and all your whining does is make you look whiny.

Well, it is a thread for commenting about it.

So, our opinions about the final changes are there.

[Pestermenot]

A comment is a comment is a comment.

However, people keep posting suggestions as if they are going to change things.

I don't like that no personality has a +birthrate%, guess what? It's still gone!

[coboss]

Too bad the changes are final, and all your whining does is make you look whiny.

I don't think anyone is whining. We are all pointing out that Elves are now the weakest race, which is an accomplishment since it was proposed to be the strongest. All we are doing is stating the obvious and stating that we won't be touching it with a 10-foot pole. I don't think that is whining. This is the place where they solicited our opinions, and we are obliging them.

[Pestermenot]

coboss, if you were whining, it'd apply to you, don't take it all so personal.

[Bogdan]

The Cleric
* 50% less troop losses

The Warrior
* -15% Your Military Casualties (on attack or defense)

bad bad bad :P ... just bad .. same bonus .. give warriors + 1 off spec .. that would be really cool

too bad these are final changes .. can they be tweaked ? :P

PS : any changes to fortified stance ? :P

[Gauntlet]

I fail to see how Elven military is weaker than halfling military. 5% pop maybe? I think 6 def spec is stronger than 5% pop, and unless we are talking suiciding strategies, when you want to achieve a goal dpnw/dpa or plain defense number, achieving it with 0/6 def specs leaves more room to attacking units.
The 5.5NW is a problem, too much inflation, makes stables almost mandatory for them.

PD: They remember me of the old Dwarves, who used to have "the best elite" 6/6 :')

[hint]

I haven't been this unexcited about new age changes since..idk, maybe ever. Everything seems flat, faceless and boring, don't see a single race there i'd like to play. I guess this stuff seems very well balanced then tho, gj i guess.

[Ordray]

All we are doing is stating the obvious and stating that we won't be touching it with a 10-foot pole. I don't think that is whining. This is the place where they solicited our opinions, and we are obliging them.

I know for sure that I won't be touching them with a 10 foot pole either! Unless that pole happens to be a spear, then I'll gladly have my avian swoop down and give them a friendly little poke ;)