Simians Vs Sanctuary

[jdorje]

that wasnt me, that was Ovenmitt :p You guess right who I was and I told you we were pumping wizards, then you ignored me :(

Sounded like you were asking us to give you ops. What should I have responded with?

[Realest]

I like you, you understand my subliminal messages.

edit: although to be fair, you threatened me first.

[Korp]

I didn't have the patience to read all pages... But if you don't know Korp you haven't been playing long enough to matter and whine on him. And that comes from a nub like me :)

:* <3

[CJay]

Also, yes we've obviously had problems as well. 40M robbed by 3 kingdoms after you publicly announced you were about to wave us was the first problem. 1.5 tpa on rogues going into war was the second.

Getting your prov's tpa up or having some WT might have solved this problem.

[gergnub]

Every prov should have the right to collect massive gold stocks in peace.

[Anri]

Simians did get robbed a bit but they failed lots. cs+3tpa raw in all provs. not sure why all kds in t10 thinks they can pump freely with little or no protection at all. We also stocked gc in faerys also. our faerys had 5tpa +. I cant tell you how to play dorje. Btw were winning ;)

[Luc]

Simians = a more knowledgeable version of freeakstyle? That statement is a bit lol.

[Awesomeness]

No. Simians = Top kd. Anri = Troll King.

[jdorje]

Simians did get robbed a bit but they failed lots. cs+3tpa raw in all provs. not sure why all kds in t10 thinks they can pump freely with little or no protection at all. We also stocked gc in faerys also. our faerys had 5tpa +. I cant tell you how to play dorje. Btw were winning ;)

I don't understand why you think we expect to be able to save money in peace.

Realest using his half-kd to rob us if we cannot force a cf = okay
Sillycats robbing us if we cannot force a cf = okay
MA robbing us if we cannot force a cf = okay
a dozen ghettos robbing us if we cannot force a dozen cf's = okay

All 15 of them doing it at the same time after we've been targetshared in the forums = not okay

Compare for instance if we were talking about trad march hits.

[jdorje]

May, June, July, January papers:

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 390 (66,658 acres)
-- Traditional march: 345 (65,185 acres)
-- Ambush: 18 (1,473 acres)
-- Conquest: 10 (642 acres)
-- Failed: 17 (4.4% failure)
-- Uniques: 197
Total attacks suffered: 526 (59,628 acres)
-- Traditional march: 463 (54,773 acres)
-- Ambush: 50 (4,855 acres)
-- Massacre: 1 (5,385 population)
-- Failed: 12 (2.3% failure)
-- Uniques: 212

** The kingdom of x:x **
Total land exchanged: +7,672 (390/526)

Some land lust on both sides, more from simians. Sanc is about 93k with incoming, simians maybe 89k as of this writing - this is highly volatile however.

Sanc continues to hold the edge gained in the first wave. War is dead even since then, with simians remaining 200-400k nw above sanc. A few things have changed in the last 24 hours to indicate both kingdoms are trying slightly different strategies though. We'll see which pays off better.

[Palem]

Stop posting locs jdorje.

[DHaran]

You're lucky Palem got here first.

[Ezzerland]

Thanks for the updates jordje. They're far more frequent than Anri's, and generally more interesting with the information and estimations provided.

[bluebear]

jdorje, simians need every adv that they can get to beat sanctuary. even then they are barely winning :P

[jdorje]

Simians is not as of this time barely winning. Acres are very close, with pool and land lust, and networth is slightly to sanc's favor on the first wave and dead even since then. Of course this could change at any time.

At risk of revealing too much of our strategy, I'll give some more info. Simians has a number of out-of-range large provinces, but none are unbreakable. Gains on them however would be extremely low due to nw diff. The avians (evil peanut and kandall) have been fireballed and have extremely low military and peasants. The elves (mystics) pose more problem, having formidable wpa despite their lack of economy otherwise. At one point fikon was chained down to 3000 acres, however his wpa was such that he land lusted and hit his way back up and we thought it Unwise to touch him more at that time. The military on all their bigs though is quite poor, and they aren't really our problem. Over the last 12 hours peanut has been dropped to about 3500 wizards.

Provinces "in the pack" are generally the ones that hit for the most acres, and these are the ones providing the most hitting power for both sides. But these are hard to disable because the "pack" is fairly small at this point and there aren't enough in-range hitters available to do a good chain. Those who are available are spread out, and doing slowchains drops networth too fast. So chaining has been rather ineffective for both sides over the last few waves. The chained provinces have been alternately trying different strategies of quadding and doubling...simians does have sanc provinces down to 0 defense but some of these can still quad even against the simians chained guys all home. We try not to get elites killed unnecessarily, but use them to die off in hits and get credits we can save up for later :).

At war start sanc's cow was hitting for about 250 acres a day. This is up to 700 acres now, substantially less than simians big guys are hitting for, so most likely this isn't much of a factor. Simians has about 350k max offense and the cow has 1.3m throne def so "taking down the cow" seems unlikely.

Both sides, as I said, have been land lusting. From simians this is mostly coming from their faeries. Sanc's done trad march hits on simians faeries, which they try to recover via land lust. In that way we've negated some of their faeries magery ops but at a cost of land. Three of the simians faeries were hit down pretty well and are easily breakable; the other two are unbreakable and growing steadily. All three sanc t/m faeries are unbreakable. Long term since there are a lot of unbreakable faeries, it may come down to whoever can get more acres on their faeries fastest. Which is a really bizarre way to war, but probably good for both kingdoms later in the age since having big t/ms is pretty helpful.

Sanc's rogues are aw'ing regularly now. At war start they were unprepared and only able to get about 2 tpa since they were focused on not getting massacred or chained. Now that's a bit higher and opping enemy avians and elves is pretty easy.