How did USA become such a messed up country?

[Agronaut]

uhh forum malfuntioned im not typing that again. any way over 2 million japenes had died at that point millions would have with out them bombs. the mistake that was made was not dropping them on owkinawa the bombs were finished arround that time. they could have shown the japanese what was comming and the deaths would have been almost all millitary.


stofi stop talking about your penis, thats just nasty. in any event you dont know a thing about weapons probably because you were in some kind of band. dont were ill help, the rangers and delta use the berretta mp. i think the navy seals are using the sig 226 right noiw. wester europe uses the 9mm luger/para thats 9x19. eastern eroupe uses the markov round whitch is 9x18. the us millitary dosnt use the 45 colt anymore, i do think some are using the hk socom with silancers again 9mm para. so show me were these large hand guns are. special forces look at handguns kinda low on the gear list. rifles thats another story but hand guns , sorry kid you are wrong.

[Bishop]

I'm not saying one way or another what the "right" thing to do was

You totally are.

[stoffi]

uhh forum malfuntioned im not typing that again. any way over 2 million japenes had died at that point millions would have with out them bombs. the mistake that was made was not dropping them on owkinawa the bombs were finished arround that time. they could have shown the japanese what was comming and the deaths would have been almost all millitary.


stofi stop talking about your penis, thats just nasty. in any event you dont know a thing about weapons probably because you were in some kind of band. dont were ill help, the rangers and delta use the berretta mp. i think the navy seals are using the sig 226 right noiw. wester europe uses the 9mm luger/para thats 9x19. eastern eroupe uses the markov round whitch is 9x18. the us millitary dosnt use the 45 colt anymore, i do think some are using the hk socom with silancers again 9mm para. so show me were these large hand guns are. special forces look at handguns kinda low on the gear list. rifles thats another story but hand guns , sorry kid you are wrong.

So, you write some piss, I come up with documentation of how wrong you, you write some new piss, I document how wrong you are, you write some new piss, etc etc. Do you ever learn?

And why do you contradict yourself in every post? You are not interested in a penis contest and yet you continue measuring your penis up, telling me in so many ways how big it is compared to mine.

I was talking rifles as I consider that a handgun but I see the English definition doesn't agree with me.
And as you might know, Western Europe is not a country and not all use the same handgun... ( you just looked that up on Wikipedia right now... lol.) I never used the Luger 9mm, we don't have it in storage at all. I don't think it's official what Norwegian SF use as a handgun, so you wouldn't know what gun it is.
Anyways, your penis has gotten smaller and smaller by each post in this thread as you change the subject every time, being disproven on a all fronts. Why don't you go read a book, then come back and post when you got some facts or some reflection to share with us. You are a disgrace to your nation and Americans here seem to agree.

[Korp]

Is there a threshold where infant death is acceptable in war? How many would have died in the ensuing invasion or continued bombing of Japan? How many more US troops would have died? How many more Japanese troops would have died? Would there have been another attack on US soil? Perhaps a civilian target? I'm not saying one way or another what the "right" thing to do was, but when facing an enemy who refuses to surrender, why take a course of action that extends the war and puts your own people at further risk?

What you basically are saying its okey to target other civilians target just to ensure that american lives are lost. What does the pain and suffering of some japanese matter when it made sure american lives were saved! Besides in a war you should target civilians.

[DHaran]

What you basically are saying its okey to target other civilians target just to ensure that american lives are lost. What does the pain and suffering of some japanese matter when it made sure american lives were saved! Besides in a war you should target civilians.

Don't be naive, you do whatever is necessary to protect your own. The ones responsible for those deaths are the Japanese leaders who ignored the warning. This concept that warfare should be honorable and fair is comical. Soldiers get bullets and civilians gets puppy dogs and icecream? That's not how it works, in any war, ever.

[Bishop]

Don't be naive, you do whatever is necessary to protect your own. The ones responsible for those deaths are the Japanese leaders who ignored the warning. This concept that warfare should be honorable and fair is comical. Soldiers get bullets and civilians gets puppy dogs and icecream? That's not how it works, in any war, ever.

The end justifies the means.

[citadela01]

Its funny how the myth of USA winning ww2 and bringing freedom to europe refuses to die ... hollywood dreams factory and your faulty education keeps indoctrinating generation after generation ...

USA only played major role in the war on pacific which was second class conflict in the whole of ww2. war itself was decided/won by SSSR. If you doubt it go do some reasarch on Eastern front, compare casualties and numbers of troops involved on both sides. If I may offer sugestions read a bit about siege of Stalingrad and Leningrad and about battle of Kursk and you will see what I am talking about.
USA role on European front was largly economical and military aspect of it was pretty insignificant. D day was a joke operation at a time it was executed and allied troops were mostly faced by reservist troops composed of 2nd grade units mostly composed of teenagers and old men equiped with second grade weaponry and hampered by serious lack of fuel.
Only reason USA landed troops in the first place was to secure political foothold and to stop comunists for claiming europe ... if you want you can make that claim, you have grounds for it. But to say you won the war for us against Germany just shows plain ignorance and exposes you as indoctrinated person who knos nothing about history.

Personally my favorite myth is Battle of the Bulge ... or arden battle how the rest of the world calls it. Bent nut not broke ... lol ... what a joke ... brilliant tacticall move by USA to get smashed and wait till Tigers ran out of fuell and than clam victory.
And lets not even go into Pacific front and all the crap that went there and all the embarassments that took place that were later shown as “victories“ ... I swear there was never stupider and more incompetent general than that McArthur fella or whats it spelled like ...

anyway ... we dont apreciate you cause you were not that significant in the big picture. You capitalized on the war bigtime cause of your geographical position and untoiched industrial capacities and thats about it ... as someone earlier said it was dumb luck nothing more.

[DHaran]

D-Day was a joke? I'm exiting this conversation now as the level of idiocy has reached unacceptable levels.

[Korp]

Don't be naive, you do whatever is necessary to protect your own. The ones responsible for those deaths are the Japanese leaders who ignored the warning. This concept that warfare should be honorable and fair is comical. Soldiers get bullets and civilians gets puppy dogs and icecream? That's not how it works, in any war, ever.

No I wouldnt, I wouldnt kill between 90-120k civilians cause of my family I just dont think i have that in me to commit massmurder like such. Oh yea, that certainly did justify the reason of using such a horrible weapon, no nothing ever does. So, lets say Iraq would send a nuke against your hometown, you would just shrug it off and say "Hey thats how war is its okey!"? Besides killing civilians in any war is frowned upon, like by US since they took actiona gainst that soldier that shot down what was it 10-15 civilians and hes risking the death penalty. If we would be using your logic it would been totally okey to kill them since its war everything is okey in war!! ...

[DHaran]

Please point to where I said it was "totally okay" to kill civilians. I said it's a staple of war, I never said it was right. And you can't say what you would or wouldn't have done, because you've never held even close to that level of responsibility. Hindsight is always 20/20. Had we decided to not drop the bomb and as a result the same number of American lives were lost later in the conflict, how would that be viewed now?

[Korp]

D-Day was a joke? I'm exiting this conversation now as the level of idiocy has reached unacceptable levels.

Instead of insulting other people you might try and argue for your cause instead, it does wonders..

Please point to where I said it was "totally okay" to kill civilians. I said it's a staple of war, I never said it was right. And you can't say what you would or wouldn't have done, because you've never held even close to that level of responsibility.

You thought it was okey to nuke them, ergo you approve of the murdering of civlians to get a point true. What, first you claim I would whatever to do protect my own then you make a u-turn and say I cant what I would have done, please me coherent at least. Either i could do anything or I cant do anything cause i never been in that situation.

Had we decided to not drop the bomb and as a result the same number of American lives were lost later in the conflict, how would that be viewed now?

Very unlikely scenario and crazy speculations are just lame.

[DHaran]

I wasn't saying "you", I was saying in that situation the responsibility of a nation's leaders is to protect its citizens and way of life. Japan didn't do that, the US did. And do not put words into my mouth, not once did I ever say it was "okay" to nuke them. It was a terrible act (all war is) and I specifically said it isn't something to be "proud" of. However, to act like there wasn't reasoning behind it or an opportunity for Japan to prevent it is just stupid.

[Korp]

I wasn't saying "you", I was saying in that situation the responsibility of a nation's leaders is to protect its citizens and way of life. Japan didn't do that, the US did. And do not put words into my mouth, not once did I ever say it was "okay" to nuke them. It was a terrible act (all war is) and I specifically said it isn't something to be "proud" of. However, to act like there wasn't reasoning behind it or an opportunity for Japan to prevent it is just stupid.

You were saying you, read what you wrote I cant read your mind and see what you were thinking when you wrote it. So, murdering several hundred thousands of civlians and bringing them pain and suffering for several years after is protecting US citizens?

[DHaran]

So, murdering several hundred thousands of civlians and bringing them pain and suffering for several years after is protecting US citizens?

Did the war end? Then the answer is most obviously yes. War is mass murder on all levels and on all sides.

[Korp]

So, whatever it takes as long as you win that your motto? Dont matter how much suffering innocent people have to endure as long as there is a win. Oh well, everyone is entitled to an opinion.