Simians diplomacy

[Peto]

I am confused

Are we hostile with Simians now?
If so that must mean it is ok to rob them now, right?

Or is it just them being hostile with us?
And since they are in an "active" hostile it is not ok to rob them?

[MorbidAngel]

Elurin, your kd mates are clearly not helping with these taunting/teasing posts :P

Korp has some right here, top is now simply abusing their position in this situation because they can. But top mostly ignored these robbing, because they didn't want to waste time on SGC. Some will waste their time now, as it seems.

This can be put in analogy with Tom&Jerry cartoon, where Tom is teasing that badass dog because dog is leashed. In this case, top kds are that dog, and the leash is game mechanics (gbp, krnp (?)). But if you remember, once the dog is unleashed, Tom is not really having a good time. Also, in one scene dog moved the line Tom drew to show how mighty he is w/o Tom realizing it. Didn't end up very well for Tom either.

[protector]

It was a question..

Question or not, it had no relevance to the situation. Waving allout into a kingdom that is already hostile, is by far worse than a single hit or stealing resources. I fail to see why you even compare those with each other??

Why? It would be perfectly fine using your own logic.

No? I don't like fighting 2 kingdoms at once, hence why I asked them to bugger off. They'll pay for their dues sooner or later.

Yea, getting robbed you should be thankfull that the enemy kd didnt get the gold instead ;)

I don't see orcs with about equal raw tpa, with lower science steal from avians with clear sight. It's just not worth the thieves you'll loose while stealing. Again, you just try and make up stuff now to justify their stealing.

My logic is sound still, its like how you now talk smack but before you were the one coming to them asking for cf be nice and all. All top kingdoms are hypocrtical bunch of douches.

I asked them for a CF 2 weeks ago a day or 2 before our notice with Rage expired, knowing it'd get to a fight. They didn't honor that - fine. However, 2 days later hostilities start, and they still ignore the request which results in stealing from an active hostile.
Rage has also been robbed by them.
What they do is the same what they are accusing everyone off; stealing coins from a kingdom who is currently occupied enough to not be able to do anything against them.

The arrogance lies in that the "top kingdoms" think they can run around sitting on ****load of gold and nobody will touch them. Besides, those big kids are always the ones that will pay the dearest price in the end.

DHaran worded it pretty well; The arrogance is a ghetto stealing gc from better kds, into their hostiles, boasting about it, and thinking it won't bite them in the ass.

To have people actively search out other top kd's to arrange a GB, however, is sillier than we expected but done is done, so lets have fun with it :D

Erhm, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you post in the threat starting post that you'd CF anyone "who will gang simians for being cowardly punks"? Looks as a classic 'what goes around comes around'.

[Tree10]

next age we will have 10+ kingdoms doing the same thing instead of two, simply because others got away with it. That will make top even more frustrated, kingdoms who take an age off will probably waste them to revenge to kds

So it's not just Sillies robbing?
Plus...getting robbed is something the rest of us have always had to cope with. I don't recall going into a total revenge mode over it, however. Normally we have decent tpa, WT, or spend our gc. We in the middle also have plunders to worry about.
I always find it funny when 'top' KDs talk about how the rest of us play. Apparently, we're playing a very different game w/o certain privileges.

[MorbidAngel]

No, Realest's kd did it as well. But Trollfags didn't overdo it, even tho because of Silly Cats robbing as well, many wanted to put dibs on razekilling octobrev (who got razekilled in the end).

It's the same the other way as well. If you declare a kd which accidentally gave you a button, you rape them for a wave or two, then if they ask for a cf, you stop. You don't wave kingdom over and over simply because you can, even tho it's perfectly legit.

[Scontan]

It's the same the other way as well. If you declare a kd which accidentally gave you a button, you rape them for a wave or two, then if they ask for a cf, you stop. You don't wave kingdom over and over simply because you can, even tho it's perfectly legit.

It is abit off-topic, but i seriously duobt it exist 3 kds who would play out such situation like that.

And yes, many will claim their kd would, and no, it wont be true.

[fwordz]

You have been steeling into our hostile sevral times now you took our gc when you where tag hostile to some one else and still think thats ok i take that as an invite and an ok to dubbel you .

This one I'm really wondering about, when is this? we didn't steal from you while in hostile today, so are you refering to 3 weeks ago?

[Tree10]

I would, and I have in the past... more than once, even.... held attacks in 'accidental' wars with smaller KDs where one silly prov gives us button. After the two 'lesson' waves, ofc.

Anyway, is interesting thread even getting into future game ramifications.

[TeddybearSTHLM]

I think cf-ing mid-war pretty much constitutes as FW.

[MorbidAngel]

It is abit off-topic, but i seriously duobt it exist 3 kds who would play out such situation like that.

And yes, many will claim their kd would, and no, it wont be true.

But there are.

[citadela01]

top kd's allways made good stealin, and when you need to pay for fluffy you dont rly care if you soak up standard trad or two over it. That beeing said you got to have measure about it and aparently pinkies went a bit too far here, if you dont keep robs on sporadic lvl you are bound to have your ass kicked over it eventually, it was only matter of time.

But I am disapointed at the way simians decided to retal for that. Saying cats would hide behind game mechanics and abuse relations and whatnot is just weak, considering they promissesd to press the button if given one, strawman argument if I ever saw one. Who is it hiding behind game mechanics here with promises of bouncewaves ... pink gheto is the one geting aaccused of it while simians are publicly planing to do it. Double standards much ?

Hitting into real wars is about as low as it gets and in my book you need a damn good reason for it, what cats have done is not good enough reason ... not by a longshot. Does this means they have carte blanche to retal for this in any way they see fit in this/consecutive ages including razekilling chaines into simians wars ?

Btw half the the ppl who suport simians on the topic here and cry when they receive rob vaults after geting noticed play in kd's which regulary do stuff like vulturing oow kd's, random into lower tier hostiles, wave kd's 30-40% smaller than them and whatnot ... hell simians first do it and they have earlier this age publicly noticed Sanc efectivly leting whole server knows sanc is about to stock huge gc and can efectivly do nothing about getting robbed blind.

This whole thread reeks of holier than thou attitude ... one would think top kd's are nice and friendly group of players upholding high morality standards from reading this pile of steamin bs.

[Koodo]

Hopefully more mid ranged kingdoms will be aware of how devastating opping and robbing a top kingdom can be. (obviously this thread has grown from a few posts to a whole bunch in one day, most are the top kingdoms complaining ofc.) Also retal against top kingdoms with hits since most are "hollow" provinces with no real meat/all offense (no thiefs, no mages, and no defense). Smack a few around the next time they pay your kingdom a visit.

Keep it fair, and don't opp / interfere with kingdoms in active hostiles, and rob the rest that aren't in hostiles blind. If all ghettos made the top kingdoms more accountable through thier strategies it would only make the game more interesting, making rampant exploring more difficult to do. (which they've tried to fix this age with exploration changes also). Most top kingdoms are all CF'd and can't or won't rob each other, which gives them a false sense of security(no gold is ever truly secure)

Why rob the corner store (ghettos) when you can rob the bank (top kingdoms) ! The game mechanics favour upfeeding against larger opponents and kingdoms.

[MorbidAngel]

I think cf-ing mid-war pretty much constitutes as FW.

No-FW rule was added not so long ago. I do wonder how admins will behave towards such cfs, as kd bashing is really bad for the game.

[DDodge]

Lots of Utopian drama this age. Very public drama too :)

[situsklaw]

sadly i am not sure simians can win never warred them maybe cat fell off tho who knows we beat a bigger kingdom last age so i dunno.... 8 mil or is it 6... i think we did 3 mil or so c what ya can do cats! kill em!

just looked nice 5 mil easy..... just dont bother killing dragons and leave those big province alone find easiet to fireball maybe u good u dont win i am not joining you no more as my master back up plan