Unlock ops for retal purposes

[Sheister]

Currently TMs are just food for these orcs. If the dev's want to have any balance in this, I would recommend determining some method of unlocking ops only against provinces that have hit a TM. There is no reason a mage hit for 300 acres should not have an opportunity to LL those acres back simply because the total KD relations have not elevated enough. That does not mean the mage should be able to blanket ops on the other KD and honor whore, but rather should have a slightly elevated difficulty retaliatory op.

**edit** No I was not recently hit, lol. But as I watch my own KD farm out all these faes the thought occurred to me.

[Landro]

Wait for them to hit a few times more and you'll be able to do ops on them. I'm playing Orc this age so I'll be kind and share some insights about why I hit Faeries

1. Too often Faeries outgrow their kingdom which means there are no attackers in my range to threaten me
2. Too often they have horrible activity and build up way too much cash
3. Too often their defense just sucks. I've seen quite a few Faeries with 60 DPA or less when they should have had double that
4. I personally don't random for acres but if I did I'd be hitting people who won't hit back. Getting retalled doesn't really help you grow after all.

[Palem]

Wait for them to hit a few times more and you'll be able to do ops on them.

Unless you're playing bad kids, that doesn't happen.

[DDodge]

Damn landro u so genius

[khronosschoty]

Currently TMs are just food for these orcs. If the dev's want to have any balance in this, I would recommend determining some method of unlocking ops only against provinces that have hit a TM. There is no reason a mage hit for 300 acres should not have an opportunity to LL those acres back simply because the total KD relations have not elevated enough. That does not mean the mage should be able to blanket ops on the other KD and honor whore, but rather should have a slightly elevated difficulty retaliatory op.

**edit** No I was not recently hit, lol. But as I watch my own KD farm out all these faes the thought occurred to me.

I agree, this needs to happen.

[Crypticterror]

Disagree

So you could burn all manna and stealth on somebody? How is that balanced? It's not...

So listen to landro if you get hitt as a feary allot of times it is 95% your own fault.

[Palem]

It's their fault that the game gave faery no reasonable means of retaliation?

[nooblet]

1 point on meter causes unfriendly.
Retaliatory "black ops" (ops requiring unfriendly relations) also have a fixed effect on relations.
Hostile meter does not reduce to zero on daily meter reduction unless there has been no hostile hits/ops for a few hours before the change of month.
Make hostile meter visible to all players, at all times, to avoid any confusion of whether a hit or op will move meter. Maybe even include a warning box on the sorcery/thievery/warroom pages stating "if we use an op now, the hostile meter will move x points"
Problem solved.

If someone attacks a kingdom, then they should deal with retaliatory ops immediately. There's no reason to allow people to make 3 free landgrabs before ops can retaliate.

[Landro]

It's their fault that the game gave faery no reasonable means of retaliation?

Having some attackers in your kingdom to watch your back is a perfect means of discouraging hits.

[E_Boko]

Having some attackers in your kingdom to watch your back is a perfect means of discouraging hits.

last i checked having to run the same strat in every kingdom because its the only way to be effective is not really a strat so much as a necessity and that makes the game boring.

[goodz]

Currently TMs are just food for these orcs. If the dev's want to have any balance in this, I would recommend determining some method of unlocking ops only against provinces that have hit a TM. There is no reason a mage hit for 300 acres should not have an opportunity to LL those acres back simply because the total KD relations have not elevated enough. That does not mean the mage should be able to blanket ops on the other KD and honor whore, but rather should have a slightly elevated difficulty retaliatory op.

**edit** No I was not recently hit, lol. But as I watch my own KD farm out all these faes the thought occurred to me.

Shouldn't your KD mates retaliate for you? Then if they retaliate your KD mates Voila Ops!

[goodz]

last i checked having to run the same strat in every kingdom because its the only way to be effective is not really a strat so much as a necessity and that makes the game boring.

Should we make it so an all explorer strat works too in which provinces run 0tpa/0opa/0wpa but they have a means of defending themselves using defense? This is sillyness In war you need some kind of offense, it is a war game. (despite all the peace at the top) Next thread I see that makes me think of Faery circles all faery KD i am taking some acres from them! This is a threat!

[Persain]

last i checked having to run the same strat in every kingdom because its the only way to be effective is not really a strat so much as a necessity and that makes the game boring.

Requiring attackers in each kd to defend t/m should be perfectly acceptable so long as hits are required to start war. As soon as t/m ops move the meter i'll agree that requiring attackers is a bad concept.

[Sheister]

goodz, in an ideal world it would work that way. Again, this is not happening to me. But I am watching all the faery players in ghettos getting fed on and its really sad. I think they need to be able to do something so that a new player choosing faery does not get frustrated out of the game. Land lust, fireball and amnesia (not the rest perhaps) should be available as retal ops. Landlust retals for TM/conquest/raze, fireball retal for massacre, amnesia retal for learns. No MS, no chastity, no lightning strike, fools gold, etc. Three spells available for retal. You can even limit their duration of availability, when hit with a TM/CQ/Raze, province gains 12 hrs of access to the appropriate counter spell, and ONLY the appropriate counter spell, and ONLY against the kingdom from which it received the attack.

[Bishop]

You want hostility spells open after 1 hit? Not goign to happen folks.