Prot, i miss spell a lot of stuff HoDF isn't one that's caught by my spell check, need a utopia update for spellings and abbreviations i guess. Also your right you wouldn't be able to use raze attacks to gain honor and stay at a small size and you wouldn't get any benefits past prince (thus the reason i suggested they would only go to prince). however you could use intra kingdom raze to keep the provinces small (people do this already and im sure if you asked any of them where they got the idea they would say HoDF). Prince honor with a WH bonus for a bank (who will mostly see provinces in its range with far less honor) is still quite overpowering endless you think that the extra time other banks would have to pump science at a larger size would offset the +33% pop space the honor would gain you. While that strat isn't EXACTLY the same as HoDF's its close enough to be "based on it" and thus the reason i would give credit to HoDF for it. Are you implying because you have to use a different attack type and have your kingdom raze you in order to achieve the exact same thing HoDF did (although on a lesser scale) makes it a different strat all together? what is it that i did not understand there?
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