Quote Originally Posted by Elldallan View Post
Yes there is a clear wrong, Havoc interfered in a legitimate fight between Sanct and MA That all anyone needs to know about the situation.
Had Sanct not robbed MA noone would be complaining about double and notices if Elit had still waved Sanct, then it had been Elits fault but Sanct clearly interferes in Elits pump against Havoc in a way that is obviously 2v1, then when Havoc finally waves MA you and rest of Abs come up with some absurd excuse that apparently it's not a hostile situation because sanct stopped hits for 12h. By your own claim earlier in thread that hostile is when there is a button and that kd page reads hostile then there is a hostile, well both of these things were true in MA vs Sanct. And Sanct initiated that fight not MA so you can't claim some bull**** that MA was trying to avoid Havoc.
There is a lot more too the situation than you apparently decided people need to know. I think people should know everything about the situation that they can learn before making up their mind. Also, once again, instead of being blinded by terminology, consider what the actual "unfair" things that were done without relying on catch phrases. Do you disagree with what I said were the unfair things?

Do you think it was also unfair to havoc for Elit to try and dodge their notice when they told him in advance to plan for their notice once he was out of post war? They put a lot of time and effort into preparing for the fight between the #1 and #2 kingdoms but instead they were going to be left stuck never being able to fight Elit.

As for the robbing, I think that a few reasonable people like Dharan and Palem very well might have viewed Elit in the wrong had sanc not robbed any gc. I don't think it'd have made any real difference at all to the majority of the posters here though. The plan was the same either way and it all would have unfolded exactly the same and 95% of everyone posting here would still have the same opinion. As I've said before, it's the norm for Absalom kingdoms to be robbed while trying to get ready for a war. Does this mean by your logic that Absalom kingdoms never need to fight a war they don't want since they can always avoid it by waving whoever robs their gc? Again, making hard rules rarely works and only opens things up for abuse. Do you actually disagree with the general concepts of what i said in the previous posts or do you just feel the need to repeatedly say "double hostile, all that matters!"?