[21:39] <Cody> So I was chatting with Jsane earlier, who tells me he is handling any and all diplo between our kd and theirs. His general attitude is pretty aggressive, and he claims that we are already in a hostile until we work something out. after their first episode of demanding 10k acres from us, and now again with these claims, we feel the best move for our kd is to war SWEA. they have already risked double hostiling (whereas I know you said you wouldnt), so i feel like just giving them the war straight up will be the best course of action. in doing so, this would still leave the possiblity of our kds warring once the dust settles
[21:40] <Cody> Im sure this isnt the answer you would have wanted to hear, but its just the straight up truth.
[21:40] <Petrified> that's fine, but then you better wave them immediately after OOW or have them wave you
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[21:41] <Codyy> err sorry about that
[21:41] <Codyy> just got disconnected
[21:42] <Petrified> [21:40] <Petrified> that's fine, but then you better wave them immediately after OOW or have them wave you
[21:42] <Petrified> [21:40] <Petrified> as I said, if you are unoccupied we will wave
[21:42] <Petrified> [21:41] <Petrified> we wont leave you alone just based on words
[21:43] <Cody> I hear you loud and clear. We still need to work out the finer details of the arrangement with their kd. They are in forty and probably will be when we come out. I dont think we would want to wave into fort, not based on the size of our 2 kds
[21:45] <Petrified> yes waving into fort gives a large disadvantage to the waving kd
[21:45] <Cody> A lot of the cfs in the top had expired now. It is especially difficult for us because in our group of 3 (us, pew, swea), you and pew have age long cfs, so while we war one of you, the other has free time to pump and wait for us to become available. we are up the challenge no doubt, but it would just be nice to come to an understanding to allow us adequate time to prepare for each of the wars we have upcoming
[21:47] <Petrified> hard to say how this will work out
[21:47] <Petrified> probably everyone is hesitant to wave into fort
[21:48] <Petrified> that's 5-10k acres gone
[21:48] <Petrified> we'll see how it goes
[21:48] <Petrified> also depends on havoc vs ama fight
[21:48] <Petrified> havoc expires with us semi-soon
[21:48] <Cody> In saying that, I would like to request that you reconsider something you've said twice to me: that you will wave if there is no hostile action. We dont want to necessarily reveal our whole hand to SWEA just yet, and we certainly dont want to wave into their fort. their leadership has been reluctant to offer giving the button, so we if end up giving it we will likely be already at a large disadvantage. Surely, for your own benefit, you would want us to go into the war strong and come out ahead, juicy to war with you guys after. Which is why I was hoping we could come to an understanding that we will war SWEA and that you guys wont just wave us if relations are not 'hostile' by the first hour OOW
[21:50] <Petrified> we have no particular reason to limit our choices in this manner
[21:50] <Petrified> this might end up happening as you say
[21:50] <Petrified> or it might not
[21:50] <Petrified> still 2-3 days
[21:52] <Petrified> it might be to our benefit to leave you guys and prepare for havoc
[21:52] <Petrified> or it might not be
[21:52] <Petrified> depends on how ama war goes
[21:53] <Cody> Okay, we'll see if anything drastic has changed over the next few days. I know our kds position will remain, and we will be preparing for SWEA over the next few days. They seem determined to war us, so I just hope they choose to get the ball rolling close to our OOW date, as we've noticed tons of them intelling us over the past day
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We were stuck between a rock and a hard place. We did intend to war SWEA, we told both SWEA and pewpew this fact. But it was also common knowledge amongst our three kds that pewpew would wave us if SWEA did not first. I had asked Pet to not wave, but he told me straight up that without hostile action, he would wave.
So at this point Pew had given us 30 points and taken around 3k acres. SWEA was still sitting in forty, and Mansoor was in pewpew channel whining about the recent events. Even though we had just ate a wave from Pewpew, we still told SWEA that they could wave and that we would declare. At this time Pew was 16.7m, we were 15.5m and SWEA was 18.5m. And SWEA was still scared to give us the button.
Mansoor has made claims that our core is bigger, our banks stronger, and our small orcs more effective. I cannot wrap my head around the logic he is using, because he is somehow saying that our 15.5m NW kd is much more stronger than his 18.5m NW. Is he for real? He is 20% bigger, we just ate a wave, and he still won't give button.
This is what Mansoor tells us: that WE should give the button to SWEA and they will press it on their own leisure in about 36 hours. Meanwhile relations with Pew would remain open, and since they hostiled us before we hostiled SWEA, they would be 100% in the right to continue waving us. So SWEA demands that a kd 3m NW (20%) smaller gives them relations to op us for a day and a half, meanwhile Pewpews orcs would have free waves on us, taking way more than 3k acres per wave once we are out in forty.
So we had 2 options:
1) We give in to the terrorists demands. SWEA ends up getting the button on us, Pewpew takes probably 10k acres from us before war starts, SWEA only declares when their win is obvious and SWEA benefits from powerplaying us (even though their mission statement has been to prevent absalom from powerplaying to the top).
2) We declare war on the kd that gave us the button. SWEA had already threatened to wave into our war. Funny though, they don't have the balls to hit us when we could declare on them, but now they are safe from taking any damage.
Mansoor can only justify his actions because he said he told Silva that he was preparing to war us. That is all good and fine, but Mansoor does not realize that he cannot control the actions of everyone in this game. As I've said time and time again, we expected to war SWEA. We expected them to wave us as we came OOW. But Pewpew struck first, and from that point forward everything changed. SWEA leadership was given ample amount of time to work out a war start with us, but again was scared to give a kd 20% smaller the button. That says a lot about their skill level and credibility doesn't it?
** The kingdom of Pew **
Total land exchanged: +70 (93/99)
** The kingdom of SWEA **
Total land exchanged: +12,359 (55/0)
Don't take this as a complaint. We came to the top to change the way things are done, and its fine that this is happening to us. Although I would love to see how the community would react when SWEA pulls this stunt on a kd like AMA or BB.
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