Pew Pew vs Debauchery aka Strippers aka Mystical Maybe

[Mansoor]

Silva

when your war ended with HoH i saw your big provinces and thought hmm, this might not be a walk in the park, I indeed said maybe a CF now is better and I can pump sci and wpa as we had a 2 week window. you said no to CF. I told you then and there that pewpew is waiting for you around the corner and if you force me to pump i will **** you even if you decide not to war SWEA. we are just repeating ourselves here, you and me were/are homies, you know i told you i would wave you in war if i have to if you force me to pump and **** our chances of crowning. Yes dear people, you do not crown if you do not get time to sci and wiz pump.

[Persain]

Don't take this as a complaint. We came to the top to change the way things are done, and its fine that this is happening to us. Although I would love to see how the community would react when SWEA pulls this stunt on a kd like AMA or BB.

The way your doing things has been done in the top plenty, the end results is almost always a group GB and general consensus that the leader of that kd cant be trusted in the future. Threats and followups of 2v1 are typical and if you arent good enough to do diplomacy to avoid it you deserve everything you get. And thats only considering the way "nice" kds play fact that you deal broke means your open game to whatever the top wants to do to you.

Not like you made friends in the war tier after last age, even got gb'd for poor play. Maybe your hope was being up top you'd be big enough to avoid the kds u know dont like you, or maybe you just wanted a different group of kds to mess with, either way if you keep playing like you have been its likely the only kd range that will deal with you as an equal after this age is the ghettoes.

and this

Silva

when your war ended with HoH i saw your big provinces and thought hmm, this might not be a walk in the park, I indeed said maybe a CF now is better and I can pump sci and wpa as we had a 2 week window. you said no to CF. I told you then and there that pewpew is waiting for you around the corner and if you force me to pump i will **** you even if you decide not to war SWEA. we are just repeating ourselves here, you and me were/are homies, you know i told you i would wave you in war if i have to if you force me to pump and **** our chances of crowning. Yes dear people, you do not crown if you do not get time to sci and wiz pump.

is the "nice" aproach to things...if Mansoor had really wanted to play like u guys he'd of just told pewpew to wave you and taken land from you in war anyway. Seeing as you deal-broke it'd still be in the realm of justifiable, albeit a bit douchey.

[Jago]

What's with this forums members strong fixation with rape? Creeps me the hell out...

[John Snowstorm]

No it's not. If I go to a club, see a cute girl, make it obvious through the night that I want to bed her, but she turns to someone else. I then proceed to threaten to rape her if she leaves with someone else. She does anyway. I then rape her.

Was it any right to threaten her of rape to get what I wanted? NO.

YES

That was being a jerk.
Does "warning" that I'll rape her make the actual rape any less of a crime? No.

wrong again bob.

[ofgortens]

What's with this forums members strong fixation with rape? Creeps me the hell out...

+1 to that

[Topsy]

Let a kd dealbreak to farm out 2 competitors and then gb all the acres. Some of the best aabs planning I've seen. Seems unfair though that AMA and BB don't get any of the acres.

[John Snowstorm]

Let a kd dealbreak to farm out 2 competitors and then gb all the acres. Some of the best aabs planning I've seen. Seems unfair though that AMA and BB don't get any of the acres.

are you saying they're doing a better job of GB than abs?

[Persain]

are you saying they're doing a better job of GB than abs?

i would say yes....raze-killing into war hurts both kds at war, and doesnt do lasting damage. The best damage u can do is to hurt unbreakables, cows, t/m's and actually have them droped during war.

[SillyRabbit]

One day I am going to create a scrapbook of every post Persain has made about us. He is our ultimate fan!

[Persain]

One day I am going to create a scrapbook of every post Persain has made about us. He is our ultimate fan!

Indeed, theres like 6-7 kds i watch closely. 4-5 of them i watch because im a fan and i like them, yours and one other because i not a fan. Either way though i deferentially enjoy watching your kd, strange that it took so long for the expected top play to come about though.

[JustinSane]

There are always two sides to any story; here is mine. Before starting, I would, however, like to declare that this was never the outcome I desired. It is, however, the one you came to choose. You see, there are simply lines you do not cross…

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THE PAST
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The story goes all the way back to the year 3. While originally having planned on waving you at the end of our CF agreement (YR3), your deal break conflict with Rage et co. put us in a ****ty spot: while you had gained land, we wanted a good clean fight - something that was hard to achieve after you losing several orcs. Despite being trained up and ready to war, we therefore approached you as friends, stating that we were willing to renegotiate our CF agreement given the recent events. During these talks, you were less than forthcoming. Yes, we wanted land as compensation, yes we put you in a ****ty spot, but as I explained to you then, you were not only a loose cannon but also controlled swing acres that could heavily impact the dynamics at the top. No matter what I said, you wouldn't budge. You were not willing to give up anything. From these talks, it also becomes known that you still have the button vs. HoH, a conflict you sought to pursue. You asked us to stay out and let you take care of your unfinished business. I give you my word that we would not hit you while you had an active conflict with Abs - a word I honored.

As we were now fully pumped, we had to start making hits to get ourselves back in shape. In so doing, we soon get into trouble: sadly, my kingdom tried to pull sloppy seconds on Kygal et co. At the time you were out of your war with HoH, razes were flying. This is the point where Mansoor approaches you to negotiate a CF: not because we are scared of your size, but because we were genuinely worried about you hitting into this hostile. Our fears materialized before our eyes: you refused to acknowledge the hostile conflict with Kygal on the basis that they were too small. It was our problem, not yours.

Knowing full well that there was no way we could adequately prepare for you while raze warring with Kygal, our diplomatic efforts with the latter intensified. When trying to smooth things over, I get an invitation to join #peacetalks. Silva is leading the show, or rather, the spectacle: it does not take long until both Kygal and I realize that the so called "peace talks" were nothing other than a scheme for your own amusement (particularly, Cody's). Clearly, you were enjoying the situation, knowing full well that continued conflict would interrupt our chances to prepare and thus give you the upper hand.

In a last attempt to reason with you - to have you temporarily back off to let us fend for ourselves - I explain the situation loud and clear, essentially asking you not to double us. This was your response:

silva: wolf does not care about the opinion of the sheep. you ****played us, now you expected to be treated fairly in return. HAHAHHAAHAHHA.

Shady as it was, you clearly had the upper hand and wouldn't hesitate to use it: you would double us at your own gain. At this point, you made it very clear that you could not be trusted. Luckily, Kygal showed tact and grace: while unfavorable to us, a deal was soon struck; presumably to your dismay, our back was now clean.

Fed up with your line of action and your threats, I now approach you making our position extremely clear:

jsane: Hi! Since you seem to have trouble deciding what to do next, I'll make it very simple for you. Either we work out a deal or we are hostile no matter what. Your call, really. Unlike Mansoor, I have very limited patience for people like you. You had your chance to prove yourself. You failed.

My reasoning was simple: if we were going to have to worry about you all age regardless, we better deal with it now, even if it clearly meant giving up any hopes we might have had of charting this age: raze warring until EoA is hardly an optimal strategy, after all.

Even now, however, Mansoor - valuing his friendship with silva - fervently tries to patch things up. Having stood by the sidelines for close to two weeks, he asks you to either agree to war us or to at least negotiate a deal so that we can get on with our lives. You state several times that you will war us and refuse to make any form of deal.

Taking your promises to war us seriously, we leave you alone to pump up: a mistake in retrospect, maybe, as waving you in eowcf would've asserted our claim to your land. Despite all the bad blood between us, we were, however, still looking for a clean fight.

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PRESENT
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In what follows I will remain extremely brief: the post is already long enough.

A few hours before your EOW, we start our dragon, funding it down to the last coin. You quickly respond by doing the same. The Swedish Vikings were cheering: it looked as if you would stay true to your word. War, at last. After some nervous waiting, you finally come OOW. We quickly switched to aggressive - remember, you were the kd hiding in fortified, not us - and opened up with our big humans.

As you went back on your word to war us, this move proved to be a big mistake: with little incoming land, we were reluctant to give you the button - indeed, you even taunted us about it, saying how you would **** them up once in war. Approximately at this point, the Mansoor v. Cody diplo takes place. As it is posted already, I will not go into details.

After their talks, Cody talks with me. His message is clear: either we wave them in to fortified and give them the button, or they will war Pew. For obvious reasons, we were unwilling to comply. Not only would it make us extremely vulnerable, it would also take remove their key disadvantage almost turning it into a strength: their small orcs.

Cody refuses to budge, claiming that he is worried about Pew. I tell him to give us hostile and we will see to it that Pew does not interfere. He says we cannot guarantee that. Realizing we are at a dead end, I reluctantly tell Cody that we are willing to press the button if that is what it takes for Pew to step back. Despite having nullified what he stated as his key concern - interference from Pew - Cody is no longer willing to talk.

At this point we give Debauch UF, hoping that would bring them out of fortified. Their position remains unchanged. We reiterate what will happen if they war Pew. They say they do not care. Shortly thereafter, Debauch goes aggressive and proceeds to war Pew.

In a last feeble attempt to come to some form of agreement, I proceed Cody once more, giving him one last chance to patch things up. He say's they are not willing to talk. We begin hitting into their war.

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That said, were mistakes made? Certainly. Did we push too hard? Probably. But you had so many opportunities to fix the situation between us. Instead, you decided to escalate it. At no point in time were you really willing to work something out; it was all, ma?ana, ma?ana, ma?ana. Talk that you never backed up with action. Unlike you, however, we do what we say and say what we do: at least, that is a lesson you have now learned. Clearly, however, this is not the outcome we wanted from this. I'll offer three key reasons as to why:


1) If we wanted to act shady, we could've done so at several points in time. We didn't. Indeed, until the ultimate breakdown we gave you full respect despite your shady past: For example, we didn't vulture you after your war with Rage. Similarly, we backed off when you told us you had button on HoH. We didn't even screw your pump despite your threats to double us. Clearly, this is not what we wanted. Every kingdoms patience is, however, limited, and safe to say, you tested ours.

2) If we were looking to hit into your war all along, why waste hits hitting into fortified? We would've gained far more from holding off our big hitters until you were in war, right? While risky, we were, however, willing to bait you with these hits, if it meant we could keep things out of war until their armies came home. In retrospect, this backfired, but it clearly shows you our intent just as it reflects on us actually believing that you would stay true to your word and give us a war.

3) The only thing we could possibly gain from all of this is the clear message that you can't expect to repeatedly treat us like **** and get away with it. In making these hits we actively stepped out of any form of charting race. Instead, we will spend the coming summer weeks swapping razes with a kingdom we once treated as friends.

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As a final note, I take full responsibility for the recent events. In fact, Mansoor tried, throughout the conflict, to prevent this from happening. While I understand that there will necessarily be bad blood, I am therefore announcing publicly that I am willing to resign my position in SWEA and abandon my province should that help you ever becoming friends again once this is over and done with - whenever that may be.



Respectfully,

Justin Sane.
SWEA.

[baka]

Don't take this as a complaint. We came to the top to change the way things are done, and its fine that this is happening to us.

I LOL'ed reading that... get real :)

If you want to make a change.. you must first have the power to do so.

[John Snowstorm]

say it with me kids:

tl;dr

[Crazy Pete]

I'll give you my take on SWEA playing for HoH last age.

The concept I think is great, Utopia is after all a social game.

SWEA is all talk, no game in warring for real. As far as Mansoor and his kingdoms abilities to actually be anything beyond a land farm, questionable at best. You've proven that your kingdom is in fact spineless..... you want to war, push the button, you want to war just give the button to the other kingdom so they can push it for you.

If you go after SWEA and they don't want to war they resort to land dropping and razing, it's a fact. I go to IKEA often for the Swedish meatballs...... SWEA is an anomaly, no balls yet they are Swedish.

[American Badass]

April 1 of YR5 Tala med kluven tunga (SWEA) invaded Woody Woodpecker (X:XX) and captured 246 acres of land.

1/2 waves ok... but to carry it on? aABs actually supports this play?

WTF is this **** seriously SWEA.