Pew Pew vs Debauchery aka Strippers aka Mystical Maybe

[DDodge]

I don't understand how this game still even exists anymore its just a giant time sink

[Silvapwns]

I can confirm what Cody said is definitely true and accurate. For starters, Jsane is a terrible negotiator and diplomat, so he fails to understand any situation with any degree clarity. Although MANSOOR and myself had a NON-BINDING agreement in principle to war each other, and we both tried to get Pewpew off our backs, the terms were never agreed upon and we all know nothing is set in stone until it's all in black and white - the failure to agree on how we should get into war like I told Mansoor meant that our agreement in principle failed to materialise into anything more, unfortunately.

It's as simple as that. I even have the logs:

15:34 Silva pewpew will keep waving us
15:34 Silva we are stuck here.
15:34 Silva if we give u hostile, pewpew contineus waving us, this will become a farce.
15:35 Silva if u can get petrified to stop, we can consider.
15:44 Mansoor he isn't answering
15:44 Mansoor i gotta go
15:44 Mansoor talk to jsane on absnet
15:55 Mansoor 16:50 Petrified they should enter war with you if they want to escape us
15:56 Silva so what's the grand plan now.
15:56 Mansoor you give us button we declare you withing 24-36 hours
16:00 Silva so you are saying: give us button, pew will continue with 2 waves into u, then we will declare.
16:00 Silva i think we have failed to come to terms despite our agreement in principle to war.
16:01 Silva what u are asking is way beyond unreasonable.
16:01 Silva u want to war, u give us button or declare immediately, or there is no war, it's your call.

They failed to provide either option which we presented to them to war us (incl giving them button and them declaring immediately), end of story. So saying we reneged on our agreement to war when we gave you 2 ways to war us...give me a break lol.

[amokchen]

I deny everything that has been said in this thread, except binars post.

[JustinSane]

I can confirm what Cody said is definitely true and accurate. For starters, Jsane is a terrible negotiator and diplomat, so he fails to understand any situation with any degree clarity. Although MANSOOR and myself had a NON-BINDING agreement in principle to war each other, and we both tried to get Pewpew off our backs, the terms were never agreed upon and we all know nothing is set in stone until it's all in black and white - the failure to agree on how we should get into war like I told Mansoor meant that our agreement in principle failed to materialise into anything more, unfortunately.

It's as simple as that. I even have the logs:

15:34 Silva pewpew will keep waving us
15:34 Silva we are stuck here.
15:34 Silva if we give u hostile, pewpew contineus waving us, this will become a farce.
15:35 Silva if u can get petrified to stop, we can consider.
15:44 Mansoor he isn't answering
15:44 Mansoor i gotta go
15:44 Mansoor talk to jsane on absnet
15:55 Mansoor 16:50 Petrified they should enter war with you if they want to escape us
15:56 Silva so what's the grand plan now.
15:56 Mansoor you give us button we declare you withing 24-36 hours
16:00 Silva so you are saying: give us button, pew will continue with 2 waves into u, then we will declare.
16:00 Silva i think we have failed to come to terms despite our agreement in principle to war.
16:01 Silva what u are asking is way beyond unreasonable.
16:01 Silva u want to war, u give us button or declare immediately, or there is no war, it's your call.

They failed to provide either option which we presented to them to war us (incl giving them button and them declaring immediately), end of story. So saying we reneged on our agreement to war when we gave you 2 ways to war us...give me a break lol.

Yes, insulting me will surely make your point; riddle me this, if I am so terrible, how come I resolved the Kygal situation in the matter of minutes after you tried to make a farce out of our negotiations?

That said, I still find it fairly amusing that you of all people (Debauchery, not you personally), rev up the spin machine with regards to whether we had an agreement to war or not; again, where was the binding agreement with Rage that motivated you to deal break? Anyway, you can pull up all these last minute logs all you want. In the end, everyone involved knows that the situation was clear days in advance - including what would happen if PewPew waved you first. I do not blame you from trying to use it to your advantage, whether dictating terms to your advantage then or improving the image of your kingdom now, but don't be sad or mad at us because it did not work: you made the bed, we made sure you got to sleep in it. We simple stuck to our word; a foreign concept, I know.

Looking back, there is nothing about your course of action that suggests you tried for any other outcome than the one you got: if you truly wanted to avoid this outcome, it would have been extremely easy for you to approach us before the end of your war to come up with an agreement on how to start the war and how to best avoid pew - including, for example, us hitting into your EOW, or you coming out early. Quite simply, I think you considered your options and decided - in retrospect, incorrectly - that letting PewPew wave you into fortified was the best choice: had it panned out, you would've been able to deal away PewPew at the cost of trimming excess fat while significantly improving your odds at dealing with us by using their 'interference' as leverage to try and dictate the terms to your favor. Very clever, but you were surely aware of the inherent risk: you just underestimated it.

And so here we are, both losers of the incorrect bets we made.


Cordially,

Justin Sane.
SWEA.


P.S. You and Cody really need to talk more with each other. In our talk, I made it clear to Cody that we would make sure Petrified/Pew stayed out of the conflict if you gave us the button: a promise that explicitly included pushing the button should the need arise.

[Silvapwns]

Yes, insulting me will surely make your point; riddle me this, if I am so terrible, how come I resolved the Kygal situation in the matter of minutes after you tried to make a farce out of our negotiations?

That said, I still find it fairly amusing that you of all people (Debauchery, not you personally), rev up the spin machine with regards to whether we had an agreement to war or not; again, where was the binding agreement with Rage that motivated you to deal break? Anyway, you can pull up all these last minute logs all you want. In the end, everyone involved knows that the situation was clear days in advance - including what would happen if PewPew waved you first. I do not blame you from trying to use it to your advantage, whether dictating terms to your advantage then or improving the image of your kingdom now, but don't be sad or mad at us because it did not work: you made the bed, we made sure you got to sleep in it. We simple stuck to our word; a foreign concept, I know.

Looking back, there is nothing about your course of action that suggests you tried for any other outcome than the one you got: if you truly wanted to avoid this outcome, it would have been extremely easy for you to approach us before the end of your war to come up with an agreement on how to start the war and how to best avoid pew - including, for example, us hitting into your EOW, or you coming out early. Quite simply, I think you considered your options and decided - in retrospect, incorrectly - that letting PewPew wave you into fortified was the best choice: had it panned out, you would've been able to deal away PewPew at the cost of trimming excess fat while significantly improving your odds at dealing with us by using their 'interference' as leverage to try and dictate the terms to your favor. Very clever, but you were surely aware of the inherent risk: you just underestimated it.

And so here we are, both losers of the incorrect bets we made.


Cordially,

Justin Sane.
SWEA.


P.S. You and Cody really need to talk more with each other. In our talk, I made it clear to Cody that we would make sure Petrified/Pew stayed out of the conflict if you gave us the button: a promise that explicitly included pushing the button should the need arise.

You resolved the situation because Kygal wanted to do me a favour period. Re the P.S., certainly easy to say stuff like that on hindsight after you hit into our war and gained a good chunk of acres from it without retaliation. Not the impression I got from Mansoor though so you definitely need to talk to your boss a lot more.

[SillyRabbit]

P.S. You and Cody really need to talk more with each other. In our talk, I made it clear to Cody that we would make sure Petrified/Pew stayed out of the conflict if you gave us the button: a promise that explicitly included pushing the button should the need arise.

This is the second time you mentioned something about communication between the comonarchs of our kd. I will address it now, to save you the trouble of mentioning it a third time: Silva and I have read each and every log of conversations between the 4 of us (Cody Silva Jsane Mansoor). We are well aware of what everyone has said, and our posts in this thread reflect that.

What makes you so confident that you can control the actions of Pew? They started a hostile with us first, so if we choose to then start another hostile with you, Pew would be well within their rights to continue attacks on us. If Petrified couldn't get you guys to back off, then why would I believe that Jsane could get Pew to back off? In any case, we still gave you the option to war with us (read: 18.5m given option to war 15.5m) but you turned it down. You wanted us to give you relations so you could op us for an indeterminate amount of time, meanwhile Pew would continue waving:

[11:17] <Cody> or another option. its probably your least favourite. we sign a cf, you keep the acres and pump. let us fight swea. and we fight later in the age
[11:18] <Petrified> my kd wont go for a cf now, unless you enter war with swea
[11:18] <Petrified> we wont raze you into war
[11:18] <Petrified> or anything like that
[11:18] <Petrified> but in terms of this hostile we were first and as long as you are OOW we will keep hitting

kinda makes your one line about it feel a little insignificant:

[10:50] <jsane> Once you give us button they will back down, theyre just ****testing you


I feel like I am starting to repeat myself, but you don't seem to get the message.

[JustinSane]

You resolved the situation because Kygal wanted to do me a favour period. Re the P.S., certainly easy to say stuff like that on hindsight after you hit into our war and gained a good chunk of acres from it without retaliation. Not the impression I got from Mansoor though so you definitely need to talk to your boss a lot more.

Please stop the charade. You refused to acknowledge we were hostile. You made a farce out our CF negotiations. You stated clearly you would not treat us fairly. These are undeniable facts that you can't spin your way out of. Possibly ASF, but not you. Sure, you could've probably have gotten your friend to back down last 12h as to make the case that we weren't hostile at all, but the larger picture remains: you wanted to screw us over, no matter the cost.

That said, I think you need to read more carefully; my offer to Cody had nothing to do with hindsight. Contrary to your claims, we did in fact agree to war you (i.e. press button) if that was what it would take to keep Petrified at bay. Having read all the logs, you really should know that.

This is the second time you mentioned something about communication between the comonarchs of our kd. I will address it now, to save you the trouble of mentioning it a third time: Silva and I have read each and every log of conversations between the 4 of us (Cody Silva Jsane Mansoor). We are well aware of what everyone has said, and our posts in this thread reflect that.

What makes you so confident that you can control the actions of Pew? They started a hostile with us first, so if we choose to then start another hostile with you, Pew would be well within their rights to continue attacks on us. If Petrified couldn't get you guys to back off, then why would I believe that Jsane could get Pew to back off? In any case, we still gave you the option to war with us (read: 18.5m given option to war 15.5m) but you turned it down. You wanted us to give you relations so you could op us for an indeterminate amount of time, meanwhile Pew would continue waving:

[11:17] <Cody> or another option. its probably your least favourite. we sign a cf, you keep the acres and pump. let us fight swea. and we fight later in the age
[11:18] <Petrified> my kd wont go for a cf now, unless you enter war with swea
[11:18] <Petrified> we wont raze you into war
[11:18] <Petrified> or anything like that
[11:18] <Petrified> but in terms of this hostile we were first and as long as you are OOW we will keep hitting

kinda makes your one line about it feel a little insignificant:

[10:50] <jsane> Once you give us button they will back down, theyre just ****testing you


I feel like I am starting to repeat myself, but you don't seem to get the message.

Yes, I am starting to realize now that your problem is not related to communication, but rather comprehension. Unwilling to turn this in to a debasement of either character or kingdom, however, I will not take that argument further.

While I still think Petrified was **** testing you, I must say that I find it quite amusing that you dug up that log and ignored the line that is quite possibly most central to this (particular) discussion: shortly thereafter, SWEA explicitly agreed to declare your kingdom war if that is what it would take for Petrified to back down. Lets stop the spin shall we?

[SillyRabbit]

While I still think Petrified was **** testing you, I must say that I find it quite amusing that you dug up that log and ignored the line that is quite possibly most central to this (particular) discussion: shortly thereafter, SWEA explicitly agreed to declare your kingdom war if that is what it would take for Petrified to back down. Lets stop the spin shall we?

Again you are asking me to take all the risk. The relationship between our kingdoms is less than friendly, and I have no reason to believe you would declare just to make Pew stop waving (it would be in your own best interest to have Pew weaken us further). We would rather lose a war to Pew (albiet a 1v2 war) than give you guys the button and the war you so desperately wanted (but was too scared to wave for). It has become abundantly clear that you weren't looking for a war in the first place, because once Pew had waved you were still given that option. We would have pressed the button as soon as we got it, while your whole kd was around and available (I know this because majority of them hit into our war the hours following declare). We had no reason to delay the declare, as Pew was still going to be waving us until war. What advantage does the button even give if both kds are all online when it is pressed?

[JustinSane]

Again you are asking me to take all the risk. The relationship between our kingdoms is less than friendly, and I have no reason to believe you would declare just to make Pew stop waving (it would be in your own best interest to have Pew weaken us further). We would rather lose a war to Pew (albiet a 1v2 war) than give you guys the button and the war you so desperately wanted (but was too scared to wave for). It has become abundantly clear that you weren't looking for a war in the first place, because once Pew had waved you were still given that option. We would have pressed the button as soon as we got it, while your whole kd was around and available (I know this because majority of them hit into our war the hours following declare). We had no reason to delay the declare, as Pew was still going to be waving us until war. What advantage does the button even give if both kds are all online when it is pressed?

I can't force you to trust us, but that was not the argument: my argument was that your claims were inaccurate, as we did, indeed, offer to press the button to ensure Petrified's disengagement. As I made clear to you, however, there was no way we would ever trust you with the button after what you did to us: for all we knew, you could've made deals with Petrified behind our back, further tilting the conflict in your favor. Why should we have risked that, given that we thought we had the upper hand? Like you, we made a bet. Sadly, again like you, we lost it. In that sense, we did indeed push to hard. After all, like earlier explained, if this is the outcome we wanted all along, we would've played things quite differently.

That said, I think both sides have made their points fairly clear by now. Given our efforts to work out the bad blood between us, I suggest we now take things off the boards. Continued spin hardly aids the diplomatic efforts from either side.

[Proteus]

Doesnt take away the fact that SWEA did t have the balls to wave into fortified. Pewpew did, they got their war and then SWEA sees easy acres and hits into war, SWEA basically took 10-15k acres and a fair 1v1 war from pewpew. SWEA has sunk low in my opinion. Strippers was allready "punished" by abs for breaking a deal. No need to hold grudges.

Dealbreakers were the ones who wanted to war SWEA not the other way around. SWEA preferred to cf and pump. It was crystal clear that pewpew wanted to war dealbreakers and was going to wave them and give button. Given these circumstances dealbreakers wanted to war SWEA, if they wanted to war SWEA it was on THEM to give SWEA button, not the other way around. SWEA did not really want the war, if dealbreakers want to make SWEA war against their will then they need to wave them and push for war, not call SWEA cowards and make them give button. If you want to fight someone and that kingdom doesnt want to fight you, you hit them.

Is it just me or does debauchery use retarde logic? Basically they want everything their way and everything else is obligated to cave to their detriment or they get screwed over...
1) dealbreakers want to war rage when their cf expires
2) rage may not be available for war due to being waved or them waving....debuachery dealbreaks rage before cf end to ensure conflict
3) dealbreakers want to war SWEA, SWEA doesnt want war really, dealbreakers insists SWEA gives button or SWEA pumps for nothing, wastes their gc and exits sci pump.

Basically you need to do what dealbreakers want or they will do you dirty.

Also dealbreakers were not punished by abs, they massively profited from dealbreaking and its what took them into range of kingdoms like SWEA and pew to begin with. Just an age or two ago before abs weakened, punishment would have been at the very least rage getting *all* their acres back plus compensation for time wasted due to dealbreak as opposed to dealbreakers gaining land.

[Proteus]

Also people in dealbreakers keep claiming that they had a "war deal" with Rage. Where the hell is the evidence of such a deal. Having a Y3+48h deal is not a war deal just because dealbreakers have the goal of wanting to war Rage after cf ends...post logs and proof or stop coming up with nonsense as making up nonexistent deals doesnt justify dealbreak. Last age Rage had a legit war deal with pewpew that they got out of by resetting all of their provinces rather than warring, did we dealbreak them for it? NO.

[Silvapwns]

Dealbreakers were the ones who wanted to war SWEA not the other way around. SWEA preferred to cf and pump. It was crystal clear that pewpew wanted to war dealbreakers and was going to wave them and give button. Given these circumstances dealbreakers wanted to war SWEA, if they wanted to war SWEA it was on THEM to give SWEA button, not the other way around. SWEA did not really want the war, if dealbreakers want to make SWEA war against their will then they need to wave them and push for war, not call SWEA cowards and make them give button. If you want to fight someone and that kingdom doesnt want to fight you, you hit them.

Is it just me or does debauchery use retarde logic? Basically they want everything their way and everything else is obligated to cave to their detriment or they get screwed over...
1) dealbreakers want to war rage when their cf expires
2) rage may not be available for war due to being waved or them waving....debuachery dealbreaks rage before cf end to ensure conflict
3) dealbreakers want to war SWEA, SWEA doesnt want war really, dealbreakers insists SWEA gives button or SWEA pumps for nothing, wastes their gc and exits sci pump.

Basically you need to do what dealbreakers want or they will do you dirty.

Also dealbreakers were not punished by abs, they massively profited from dealbreaking and its what took them into range of kingdoms like SWEA and pew to begin with. Just an age or two ago before abs weakened, punishment would have been at the very least rage getting *all* their acres back plus compensation for time wasted due to dealbreak as opposed to dealbreakers gaining land.

Yawn. Lazy to post whatsapp photos of Mansoor BEGGIN us to war them over Pewpew. Figure it out proteus, very objective view you have of the situation clearly ;) i'm sure Mansoor can confirm this...just to make your entire post look stupid ROFL. Mansoor pls do the honours buddy.

[Proteus]

Yawn. Lazy to post whatsapp photos of Mansoor BEGGIN us to war them over Pewpew. Figure it out proteus, very objective view you have of the situation clearly ;) i'm sure Mansoor can confirm this...just to make your entire post look stupid ROFL. Mansoor pls do the honours buddy.

My view is you are a noob with no achievements that wants people to do what he wants and when they dont dealbreaks them. You should change your name from silvapwns because you don't pwn as you are terrible ingame, only thing you pwn at is dealbreaking

[Silvapwns]

My view is you are a noob with no achievements that wants people to do what he wants and when they dont dealbreaks them. You should change your name from silvapwns because you don't pwn as you are terrible ingame, only thing you pwn at is dealbreaking

Totally. That's why I helped HoH to crown ahead of Rage last age. *waits for standard proteus comeback* leadership bla bla..yada yada yum yum..

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I personally find it amusing that these dealbreaking ****heads think they deserve to be treated fairly.