Havoc vs AMA Round 2

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Yes Elit trying to use deal as an excuse to invalidate notice was a bit shady since the deal didn't support that. Sanct was below AMA's war range yes, but I think this only matters if it was AMA that had initiated that conflict. Yes Havoc had a grudge for some minor petty reasons(except for maybe the targetsharing acusation but everybody is pointing fingers in that issue, goodz claims Elit did it first, Elit said taunt was first, taunter said taunt was first, that situation aint entirely clear). And now because of last age AMA has a much more legit reason to have a grudge with Havoc. From what I remember of those conversations Elit wasn't hitting into Havoc's hostiles, they were competing for farming the same solo explorer provs, goodz felt slighted because Elit got there first, in the one doubtful case where one of those explorers hit Havoc Elit let Havoc have multiple retals on that prov before helping himself to some of the acres.

Yeah they may have wd'ed with round 2 in mind, but that doesn't matter much if BB notices Havoc, then by the same logic used last age to justify AMA 2v1 Havoc would be obviously dodging which makes 2v1 ok. Whats been posted of the deal in this thread isn't by any means crystal clear, I think the clarification posted about the reason the deal was neccessary(because of Proteus previous behaviour) makes it indicate that he meant war only and not just any hostile, that Zauper missed out on that context because he haven't been around is unfortunate but doesn't really change things, I think BB and Havoc have differing opinions to what that deal actually means and since BB would be the aggressor I would guess that their interpretation is what goes.


I wouldn't particularly have a round 2 either judging by their kd pages and things posted in here.
As I said I think BB has a different interpretation of what that deal actually says and would love to vulture Havoc for some basically free acres and AMA would love to 2v1 Havoc because of past events. I guess time will tell wether it's all just shadowplay or something serious will happen from it, personally I think Havoc deserves to get ****played but thats just my opinion..

Maybe, maybe not, Only time will tell I guess :)

The first public posting of the target share was elit. It was quite clear the events were all time stamped.

The 1 solo explorer prov was exchanging hits with us and elit could not break it army home but instead retaliated it when it hit us.

The other solo explorer prov was a KD with a few big provinces who were hitting us, it was hostile/hostile for relations. We were nsing the prov so it could be broken, it then messaged elit and they agreed upon a time for it to release so he could farm its land.

I do think the fact that sanctuary was 40% smaller or so would have some impact when comparing two kingdoms of identical size for the authenticity of the hostile.

Sanctuary did steal gold from a province with 0 tpa, but we had just had gold stolen from a province with 0tpa from their target share. AMA then initiated the conflict by starting the hits. Depending on how you define a hostile :P I also did offer to have htis between them and sanctuary evened out for 0 loss, and once that was done restart notice. Elit countered that by demanding a 1 week notice and a large number of acres from sanctuary I thought it was 30k but it may have been 20k. I told him that was obviously not going to happen and if he wanted to do further diplo or we would end up waving him at time of original notice expiring. He declined to do further diplo.

Finally AMA denied my hostile prior to sanc touching them stating that I could not notice them until they REcfed sanc.

Thats my final post on that course of events for today, if you want more information its all available in previous threads.