Is PewPew vs SWEA fake war?

[XxDelu]

I didn't know PewPew was farming out to AMA that is interesting. I thought they were hitting back to prevent that ;)

[Ezzerland]

Can't fault the meaning so you have to attack the error in his typing. Such a cute way to succeed your point, Delu.

Abusing war protection to fight a target outside of your kingdom is against the rules. Period.

[American Badass]

I'd only agree this was fake war if Pew hit out at AMA before AMA hit into war. Pew had told AMA they'd raze them if they hit into this war. AMA did hit in so pew razed them. Pew had every right to take back the acres AMA had stolen from them. Why should Pew not be allowed to enter a war they wanted and take the land owed from AMA back as well.

This means that if a kingdom waves a kingdoms before they enter a war, they can not retal before entering war and if they do the kingdom whom waved them originally now gets 48 hours of free hits on them!

[fuzzy|]

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This means that if a kingdom waves a kingdoms before they enter a war, they can not retal before entering war and if they do the kingdom whom waved them originally now gets 48 hours of free hits on them!

normally people finish their war then retal once OOW no?

there was no hostility between SWEA and PewPew until they arranged this war - they would never of entered a war if AMA wasn't hitting PewPew.

[tetley]

Anyone who says 'oh so it's okay to hit into a war and when they retal I will report and they will get deleted?' is missing the point entirely.
It's not just what happened during the war, it's what happened before, and the context of the entire war in the first place.

It was use of war so Pew could suicide onto AMA banks and minimize retal damage.
It was use of war so Pew could give SWEA acres quickly as possible.
It was use of war so Pew could hit AMA from inside war and not give ops/relations.

This is not the intended use of the war mechanic and is clearly not in the spirit of the game.

If Mansoor is sincere in his claim that "we saw a button and pushed it," then I feel bad for him. But I find it hard to believe that someone from SWEA was not complicit in the whole arrangement.

I don't understand why you guys didn't just gb AMA if you had a problem with what they were doing.

[Verminator]

Did they retal with trad marches or razes? Doing retals with trad marches would be legit, you're looking to get your lost land back ASAP. But doing retals with razes just serves to destroy land and punish the kingdom you're razing. Seems to me like a "get land back" reaction could happen right away, but a "punishment razing" reaction could easily wait until a legitimate war is finished.

So... trads or razes was it?

[Soul_Hunter]

Cause if you are a cheater you will never think of making tms and claim it is not fake war but retal? :D

[Elldallan]

Anyone who says 'oh so it's okay to hit into a war and when they retal I will report and they will get deleted?' is missing the point entirely.
It's not just what happened during the war, it's what happened before, and the context of the entire war in the first place.

It was use of war so Pew could suicide onto AMA banks and minimize retal damage.
It was use of war so Pew could give SWEA acres quickly as possible.
It was use of war so Pew could hit AMA from inside war and not give ops/relations.

This is not the intended use of the war mechanic and is clearly not in the spirit of the game.

If Mansoor is sincere in his claim that "we saw a button and pushed it," then I feel bad for him. But I find it hard to believe that someone from SWEA was not complicit in the whole arrangement.

I don't understand why you guys didn't just gb AMA if you had a problem with what they were doing.

Indeed, that is a nice summary.

American Baddass(Simians who were at the time engage in retalwar with swea) admitted that PewPew/SWEA came to them several hours before war happened and asked them for cf so they could war, hence he admitted that Mansoor couldn't possibly have "just taken the button when he saw it" SWEA knew there would be war, they arranged it. Since we can now conclude that we can guess that if Mansoor is lying about that there's every chance that he was also in on pewpew suiciding on AMA banks, the time(or lack thereof) that swea took to quad those banks down further strengthens that hypothesis.

[Bishop]

I will now be making all my hits into active wars. Safer that way no way they can hit back. Perfect thanks for making this clear.

Go ahead, see how it works out for you.

im actually happy i read this thread today..next age i only attack players who are in war in kingdoms smaller than me...that way when they retal i report them to bishop and they get deleted....free acres all age mawuhahaha....and if they get out of war and come looking for me wont matter cause i only hit kingdoms much smaller...just like elit did all age

I'd delete you for wasting my time.

[Topsy]

If the situation is as it now appears then it's pretty clearly a fw.

[Farore]

So if the consensus by the Utopian Lords (or whatever we want to call the powers that be ^.^) is that Pew Pew and SWEA were indeed fake warring - does that mean they're going to have all of their war wins erased and their monarch provinces deleted to, like Debauchery had done last age? Or are they just going to be put in vacation mode and that's it?

[Palem]

I have a feeling they're in only in VM until the matter can be properly investigated

[ABSLover]

I have a feeling they're in only in VM until the matter can be properly investigated

This is CLEARLY a fake war. Both PewPew and SWEA should be deleted.

[Ovenmitt]

Anyone who says 'oh so it's okay to hit into a war and when they retal I will report and they will get deleted?' is missing the point entirely.
It's not just what happened during the war, it's what happened before, and the context of the entire war in the first place.

It was use of war so Pew could suicide onto AMA banks and minimize retal damage.
It was use of war so Pew could give SWEA acres quickly as possible.
It was use of war so Pew could hit AMA from inside war and not give ops/relations.

This is not the intended use of the war mechanic and is clearly not in the spirit of the game.

If Mansoor is sincere in his claim that "we saw a button and pushed it," then I feel bad for him. But I find it hard to believe that someone from SWEA was not complicit in the whole arrangement.

I don't understand why you guys didn't just gb AMA if you had a problem with what they were doing.

It was pewpew's intended use of war mechanic. Like i said in the other thread, any system that requires policing is a BAD system.

[Ezzerland]

So if the consensus by the Utopian Lords (or whatever we want to call the powers that be ^.^) is that Pew Pew and SWEA were indeed fake warring - does that mean they're going to have all of their war wins erased and their monarch provinces deleted to, like Debauchery had done last age? Or are they just going to be put in vacation mode and that's it?

The punishment SHOULD vary based on the intended goal. Last age for debauchery the goal was the war win crown. Their war wins were reset as a result. In this situation, the goal was a land crown. Resetting war wins means garbage here. Suspending them to EoA may not be considered enough punishment by some, but it's definitely a good enough punishment to prevent any kind of benefit either kingdom had from attempting this method.