PewPew Simians Pyro Threesome

[TheOne]

re-editing post

Pyro, you can forget about acres and we retract apologize

it's fine if you want to dealbreak.

btw, stop talking as if you agreed to give us back all our acres. you were only willing to give back 2k. That's 1/3 of what you took from us (5.7k acres).

The only reason why I didnt want to post about that in this thread.... is cause you were still being ****ted by AMA, and saying the above will not help in getting you out of it.

Just saying

-cJ

[CalleOcho]

Congratulations Pyros for the win! <3

[Elldallan]

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[Anri]

you might want to get all intel b4 you jump on simians ppl. Always same isnt it. Read the pastebins Elldallan

[Anri]

it's fine if you want to dealbreak.

btw, stop talking as if you agreed to give us back all our acres. you were only willing to give back 2k. That's 1/3 of what you took from us (5.7k acres).

The only reason why I didnt want to post about that in this thread.... is cause you were still being ****ted by AMA, and saying the above will not help in getting you out of it.

Just saying

-cJ

Ok ill post all your loggs in these forums later and well see what server thinks of your cheats.

[Elldallan]

you might want to get all intel b4 you jump on simians ppl. Always same isnt it. Read the pastebins Elldallan

Ok I'll do that if you'd be kind enough to post them, cuz I havn't seen any, at least not in the more in the recent pages. :)

[Anri]

Ok I'll do that if you'd be kind enough to post them, cuz I havn't seen any, at least not in the more in the recent pages. :)

see other thread and PM

[OrcPateNom]

why would you congratulate a ghetto bash victory

[Drixx]

Interesting Threadnaught. Anri you really shouldn't stir up so much trouble during the holidays mate. Don't you know we all have family in town and stuff?

[Anri]

Interesting Threadnaught. Anri you really shouldn't stir up so much trouble during the holidays mate. Don't you know we all have family in town and stuff?

My family is in Crete and i am home in the land of the vikings, so i have lots of time on my hands these holidays. Excuse me if i take up to much of your time thou!

Merry xmas and happy new year

[Elldallan]

see other thread and PM

Well I guess I do owe you an apology, those logs are quite condemning and I did manage to get them independently confirmed from a few other sources.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised by how far CheatCheat and their ilk are willing to go to pull ahead but aside from cheating, that is a new low.

Though you did seemingly fall victim to the same mistake as BB did recently, that of entrusting critical information to ex-members. This should be a lesson to everybody, never ever trust anyone outside your own kingdom further than you can throw them(and considering the electronic nature there aint gonna be a whole lot of throwing going around).

So Elldallan i think your seriously mistaken.

Unfortunately it would seem that I am as it seems you were tricked into this situation much same as both AMA and Simians.
So for what it's worth I am sorry for my rather harsh words.
It would seem that it is Pyro and not you that needs a good asswhopping.

[IrGr8Nublet]

So just to clarify Pyros are dbags from continuing to wave the kd they were after in the first place despite receiving intel(from a security breach) that simians were going to wave them and did? Is this correct? Theres alot of complaining going on in two threads and I just wanted to make sure I was on the same page as everyone here.

[Kreinhild]

Yeah, that seems almost accurate. I still haven't seen any evidence that Pyro did anything wrong here... Here is what I see in the chronological events, please feel free to politely correct me if there is a mistake.
1. Pyro waves Legacy
2. Legacy tags as no hostile, and pyro are bullies, even though we are both hostile (30+ points on meter)
3. Pyro learns that Simians is going to wave while their armies are ALREADY OUT.
4. Legacy does Pitfalls, Nightstrikes and Meteor Showers on Pyro. Pyro sees this as dealbreak, and retracts CF offer that has been available for 50 minutes, and continues hitting. Legacy only sees the hits as dealbreak, not the ops.
5. Simians does wave Pyro, and claims Pyro and Legacy are not hostile, so Simians is not 2v1'ing pyro
6. AMA says Yeah, Simians is 2v1, so they decide that its worth their time waving Simians, and seizes the opportunity
7. Pyro sees AMA hitting Simians, and decides to try to reclaim some acres while Legacy goes fortified
8. Legacy pushes button and declares war.
9. Simians works out cf deal and apology
10. Simians retracts apology and cf deal (not sure if CF is invalid, or just not going to give back acres) because they learned that we were aware of the wave after we couldn't do anything about it as we were already commited.
11. Lots of smacktalk from Simians
12. War between Pyro and Legacy ends.
13. Smacktalk continues
14. More smacktalk
15. Today, still more smacktalk.

[Kreinhild]

Was bored tonight, so did some more investigating. Here is the pastebin again.. i couldn't find its original link, not sure why...<Don't post links with locs>

So, in here, it says Ovenmitt: idle for 1 second (on since Sunday, 15 December, 2013 12:03:05 PM)

Which would make Simians believe we had knowledge prior to our interactions with Legacy. (This is probably Asia time since I think Nesta did this pastebin)

However, the date on that is greatly inaccurate. I had a conversation with Calle this evening in #simians (anyone idling there can see it)... And it says this...
[18:38] calle thats not hostile
and then pre 2th
kreinhild then we full waved
calle you where not hostile
kreinhild hold on
calle well man ider way we need to have this talk tomorrow
kreinhild ok
calle i now staied 30 min extra
[18:39] I have to get up in 5h 22 min
so NN
( last thing simians was the only loser ) and ( ama and pyro the only 2 winners )
[18:40] lucky we just 2 weeks of 12 in
[18:41] now I am relly going to sleep mate
-->| greatMORBO (~greatMORB@uto-6534CECA.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #simians
=-= Mode #simians +o greatMORBO by ChanServ
calle take care kreinhild
and congrats on WW
kreinhild night bud
[18:43] === calle <calle@uto-8510131.cust.telenor.se> ?...?
=== calle is identified for this nick
=== calle: member of &#simians and &#officialjerks
=== calle: attached to fry.us.utonet.org ?UtoNet -- I did do the nasty in the past-y.?
=== calle: idle for 38 seconds (on since Sun 29 Dec 2013 04:52:15 AM EST)

You can see the timestamp as 18:43 EST (my timezone)... but the date on calle for whois is 5am EST this morning.. which is the time calle logged in, not the time the conversation happened.

Which means, Pyro DID NOT have info 26h prior to wave, which is what they are saying from the pastebin. This means, based on my convo with calle, Simian originally planned on waving on the 5th, but postponed to 13th. So if Oven had notified us 4hours (or 5 as simian bot is weird with 0 hour), the absolutely earliest we would have known would be the 1st.

Here is Pyro news from previous utopian month.
** Summary **
Total attacks made: 31 (2,891 acres)
-- Traditional march: 30 (2,891 acres)
-- Plunder: 1
-- Uniques: 20
Total attacks suffered: 3 (301 acres)
-- Traditional march: 3 (301 acres)
-- Uniques: 1

** The kingdom of LEGACY **
Total land exchanged: -182 (2/4)
+110 An unknown province (1/0)
-27 Uok (1 [1]/1)
-108 USS Prometheus (0/1)
-157 Schmalturm (0/2)

We saw someone retaliating to our initial hits (based on info above, 2/3 hits for the month came from Legacy.. so we waved them on the 2nd.

Calle said he moved their wave back 8 hours since we had waved Legacy (to the 13th).

Here is the summary of the time between us starting to wave Legacy, and Simians new wave time..
** The kingdom of LEGACY **
Total land exchanged: -337 (18/24)

And this is when Simians decided to wave us. Which is a clear hostile, even with only 12 hours of news, not even counting the previous hits i spoke about above.....

Now, circling back... The earliest we would have known about Simians wave was on the 1st of month, when we were already unfriendly with Legacy... and when they did wave us, we were full blown hostile.

If Simians had not changed their wave date, we would not be hostile.
Summary of initial hit into Legacy till the 5th, (Simians original wave date)
** The kingdom of LEGACY **
Total land exchanged: -1,076 (2/12)

For their new date, we were hostile. That's the bottom line.

[Anri]

Question is why was pew+pyro having our orders and everything else full age and not telling us. How fair is that. I honestly dont beleive any of this. Pyro knew we might be coming for them and waved down 70%. They also never was going to tell us about how they could read our orders etc. Because after speaking to Cj he sees no wrong in it. That is allready clear. He never came to tell us nor attempted a cf or anything. In his mind a underdrafted kd with bad builds and less science was ready to fight a super well pumped kd that pulled out max activity on xmas morning. mmm right. This is why you continued to fight legacy i bet and despite retal us after Ama hitted us lose well over 5k acres. anyway...

It tells me a great deal of this KD Pyro. They do whatever they can to win and they dont care how. Kreinhild. Its nice you beleive all of this. But its not hard to understand that this group of kds used our intel from day 1. They allies in closed leader channel. This been ongoing. We can see when and what IPs connected. Its just no way that our info reached your kd just before our wave.

You can choose to be naive and gullible. I choose to understand that Nesta and Cj is liers and they are cheaters. They dont even understand what they did was wrong. This could have carried on full age and these guys had no told anyone because they see nothing wrong in it. Hopefully players like these gets punished.

I think my kd got lucky to get to know about this. Ovenmitt likes to talk thank god.

Regarding our wave. We heard you guys had a cf deal. This is why the wave happend. There was also a deal. We could not have known the deal went bad and looking back at it we should have waited even if your beyond fat kd dodged us and had our intel.

We apologized. I said we can give back acres and cf.
But now. When i know how your leaders cheat in this game. I dont feel like it. Infact i wish for them to understand that cheating is not winning. Its just a losers way of playing.

Really.... Your not getting anything from us. No matter how smart and bad you think you are. If anything be glad we pulled you to declare range so you could get a win. Besides. AMA claimed every single acre for your kd.

We gave them 6-7 free waves on us. For our dirty play...

what a joke...

Like i said. No acres. No apology til the new kids on the block learns about this games moral codes.
We know when we do some dirty thing ingame. 2 vs 1 can happen n be sorted out. What pyro leaders did was 10 times worse and its cheating. It has nothing to do with ingame mechs.