#1 go Timber???

[PhoenixScorpion]

And we were planning on making a bank hit afterwards, but couldn't because of the fae being suicided.

Seems more reasonable than 'reset your kingdom' to me. Hell, it's pretty similar to 'no one in your kingdom can ever pass 9k acres', which apparently you forced on Sanc a few ages ago?

If you don't like it, negotiate something else. Like I said, I may have helped come up with the initial offer, but I'm not in charge of what we accept WRT your kingdom. If you want something else, convince Maxi to take it.

You claimed it like a page back. And again right here "well gee, it sure is suspicious that we got multis hittin us"

The 'people' you're referring to don't play in my kingdom.

A faery with defspec and elite def.... who could have been MV'd by one of our elves. The undead with offspec and elite offense. The undead who had better thief defense, because CS + WT + higher raw tpa...The hit on him would have enabled the second undead to hit as well, and that leaves you with a pretty high chance of plague.

If you want to deal with it, you should message us, not the other way around. When munk was hacked, we messaged you and you didn't respond for 6 hours. We responded immediately. You didn't say you wanted anything.

Which solves him having had been released?

Which doesn't solve the above issue of him having had WPA released, and did not involve you returning our acres from your extra cow hits at that time.

False; we had evidence that your co-monarch was responsible for it. That is a substantially different situation than a random suicide (or multis not associated with us bouncing on you).

If there was compelling enough evidence that I was convinced (as you were) that my kingdom was responsible for something like that, I would EOA CF on the spot, and offer them all of the acres in the responsible parties province.

I have it on authority that you are wrong. If I agree to a deal, my word is given and it's done.

Perhaps there were qualifiers that I used that you didn't use? For example, "I need to check with zzz, but I think..." as distinct from "Yeah, we'll CF until ~yr9". It's hard to tell without the logs of your claim, of course.

If you don't want to agree to something, don't agree to it. It's as simple as that. "I can't agree to anything right now, I'm too tired." "I can't decide if we can CF, I need to talk to people" "I need to sleep on it to know if we can CF." These are all responses that are reasonable and would reflect the above. I don't think anyone reasonable would say "Hey, this person agreed to do something in good faith, that is something that I cannot count on for my planning." On the contrary, they would say "This person has agreed to something in good faith, I can plan around that."

Claiming it's harder to decide whether you want to CF than it is to run a war is a more ridiculous claim than you should keep your word when you give it.

If anyone in my kingdom negotiated a deal in good faith (meaning believing they were doing the right thing for the kd and they were authorized / had to do it), I would honor it. I've been put in this situation a few times by my nubs.

+1. Some people dont understand the concept of reaping what you sow...

[Darkz Azn]

odd ... =)

[flogger]

Lol now ive acre restricted sanc. Im on my phone so cant multi quote. The only acre type deals ive ever made have been to keep 2 banks at the same size, and i dont remember doing it more than once. Ive only beat sanc once, and that was oop, dont think there was a 9k acre restriction after that one. Only complicated deal ive ever made with sanc was when i was #1 and gave them a month to prep if they agreed to war, and we made sure banks stayed at same side

With me making all these acre restrictions youre painting the picture that i fight all these advantaged fights. Aside from our war this age, please, anyone, name one war ive fought with anyonr in the past 10 ages where we werent withing 5-10 percent land you cant. Now name one where i didnt give the kd a week or longer to prepare. You cant.

We are different, you actively look for wars where theres no challenge. You fly off the handle and say dealbreak 100 times because some nub doesnt anon and it costs you 15 acres and 10 honor.

I on the other hand made 3 deals for free waves and has kds retal us and i laughed about it with the leaders because i realize nubs will be nubs. That is the reason i find you guys just the biggest whiners in the world. I like challenges and you like no challenge and free land. Thats why i like this fight, nothing to lose and if we actually pull it off its for the lulz.

Bad timing for me personally the last few days with year end work madness, if you noticed a new strategy and coordination, it was because i was able to play as of 7hrs ago, Good luck

[Zauper]

With me making all these acre restrictions youre painting the picture that i fight all these advantaged fights. Aside from our war this age, please, anyone, name one war ive fought with anyonr in the past 10 ages where we werent withing 5-10 percent land you cant. Now name one where i didnt give the kd a week or longer to prepare. You cant.

In the last 2 ages + this one -- the only time I've even followed when you were playing, you twice warred kds substantially smaller than you. In that time, you've also only had wars with... 4 kingdoms? A WW ghetto that wasn't 25 provs, a ghetto that wasn't 25 provs and you had to NW-drop to be in range of, us, and fratzia. Did I miss anyone?

Two ages ago, you warred a kd you had to NW drop to declare. Remember them? It was the only war of the age. You didn't give them a week or longer to prepare, either. Are you happy that I've succeeded in answering your question?

Acre restricting sanc -- I can just go on what I'm told.

We are different, you actively look for wars where theres no challenge. You fly off the handle and say dealbreak 100 times because some nub doesnt anon and it costs you 15 acres and 10 honor.

You're right -- we're different. I keep my word and honor my deals, even to the detriment of my kingdom because doing what's right is more important than some miniscule advantage. So yeah, my kingdom does that and if you want it, I'll give you an ambush on the hit and we'll be down acres instead of you. Why? Because my kingdom is in the wrong, so you shouldn't lose out from it.

Also, is this the same guy saying we opt for wars where there's no challenge when we opted to war them last age instead of us warring EJ and them warring ED and seeing which of us could farm more?

Also, you know, if it were a random thing like that, a nub retalling a free wave, I'd shrug it off. It's funny to me that this is such a big deal to you.
Here's the difference:
1) You forced us into a terrible deal - you essentially acknowledged it wasn't fair but said you would dealbreak and double us if we didn't take it; in that instance the least you can do is actually honor the terms of it. If it were a random thing where you had just hit us, and we agreed to give you some anonys for a CF, sure, no big deal, who cares. But put into context, it's an issue. I've had nubs retal during a wave for CF deal as well and shrugged it off because it's not a problem. It's all about context.
2) You told me that you believed marve intentionally hit without anony. You know another way we're different? When I have a player that intentionally breaks orders, I make sure they learn their lesson.
3) It adds up. The anony is less of an issue than hitting after the allowed date to hit (which you set).

It's funny that your stance has changed from 'we're going to slaughter you guys in the second war LOL' to 'we have nothing to lose because we're so far behind!'.

I don't care about fights being 'fair' when I'm dealing with you, because you've made it quite clear that you don't care about fairness. Yeah, you make a big stink (like in your post above) about how you're always so fair. I think about your play over the last few ages, and you try to time your first war to be against a kingdom that's coming OOW. Sure, you give them a chance to use their pool and train some, but they're always at a substantial disadvantage because they're playing catch-up in pool use. It's part of why the current pool system is so problematic.

I'm trying to think about who I've been 'unfair' to otherwise. Simians were larger than us when we warred them. Fratzia had hit us for 5k acres earlier in the age; we would have been fine with just taking a wave, not our fault they didn't want to just give us acres back. .... soooooo... no one?

[Godly]

[Avalanche]

^^^
that's basically what I visualize each time "top" leaders go at it on the forums. Except Zauper is a fatty.

Updates on actual conflict?

[Realest]

[flogger]

oh, don't get me wrong. we're still going to slaughter you

[makeo]

Genuine question.

Why would protector give a **** about having "his **** punched in", when it was a clear BB win as they controlled the cows?
Why would he in that position?

Seriously? Why would a council/leader care about a ms/chain when you'd won a grudge match?

That's bull****. Because you don't.

And there is no council/leader in the T50-100 that would hack when you've won.

flogger is being paranoid to some extent. That theoretically a fae could suicide, bait, then aid out to change the bank war while opping and control the bottom.
Bull****. Explosions on the fae, as you'd do if you hacked it and the banks would screw that, without any mana, not even considering button tactics.

Makes no logical sense to hack. Ever.

And until there is proof or someone makes it make sense, no one will believe it.

[Elit]

Given the history I find this conflict quite interesting.

flogger and Elit, after just last age, definitely have proven they deserve any bad things that happen to their kingdoms. Their abuse and lack of concern for the betterment of utopia is astonishing. I told you both last age that when unjust things happen to you in the future to withhold your complaints. You were unwilling to deal with core issues when you had the power and therefore support any form of future **** play. This is just the start, be sure.


Now, I hope that after BB and AMA get taught a lesson about the importance of taking proper action AND acting respectfully when they are in power, I equally hope that Havoc and pew pew receive deletions for their blatant abuse of the games mechanics.

Best Wishes to both sides.

Don't waste your time being random hater in forum. Make your kd and become part from influence game. AMA/BB did noting bad last age about rage/pew pew farm out. Its not hard for you to see big picture. Last age Pew Pew intentional farmed out 80k land to Rage for shape chart, Rage let pew pew keep 6k honor on all pew pew elfs. This age both kds are ally. Do 1+1 and find result.

[Retard`]

Don't waste your time being random hater in forum. Make your kd and become part from influence game. AMA/BB did noting bad last age about rage/pew pew farm out. Its not hard for you to see big picture. Last age Pew Pew intentional farmed out 80k land to Rage for shape chart, Rage let pew pew keep 6k honor on all pew pew elfs. This age both kds are ally. Do 1+1 and find result.

Keep us out of your scams and this thread

[Elit]

Keep us out of your scams and this thread

Im reply to his post and all kds was mention.
For example you abused game bug this age. Why you did it?

[WhenWeCollide]

Last age Pew Pew intentional farmed out 80k land to Rage

I guess your math is as bad as your English, because in the last month plus since this happened the number has gotten bigger each time it is mentioned...

[Maximouse]

lol

Flogger, prot, you 2 should read better. I never said the bounces didnt have an impact. I said that in the big picture they werent a game changer.

Flogger, Zauper: Wouldnt both your times be better spent ingame instead of this forumwar?

Flogger:
Yes, perhaps our starting position was unreasonable in the CF talks. I also told you nothing was set in stone and everything was open to negociation. If you feel we cant reach a common ground, then like I told you, thanx for the talk and lets battle. As zauper pointed out, havoc may be unreasonable. I am not. And I decide on the deal with you. Not havoc as a KD.
But dont go claim I left bb no choice. You decided it wasnt worth it to explore the options for a CF. Then dont cry about the fight continueing or about us beeing unreasonable when you made no effort to explore the options.

Pride is a bad thing when its starting to hurt your KD.

[Meeni]

I don't know the history between these two [other than last age when I joined right before the havoc-bb war, and tbh the stink you raised was silly], but from "oh no one asked us so we went ahead and hit the faery that had just been bounced" to "you declined to negotiate our extremely unreasonable CF so we hit the faery that had just been bounced" there's a big difference.

Trying to justify taking advantage of dirty play doesn't change that you took full advantage of it. The 12 bounces weren't you, that's ok, but you went ahead and used it to your advantage and started hitting down that faery. It DOES make a huge difference when you don't have to spend time and resources doing it yourself.

I come from the line of thought that you can do what you want, to be honest it doesn't matter to me dirty or not, won't hold a grudge. Just realize that taking advantage of dirty sets a standard, at least for the offending kd.

And shame on you for taking advantage of dirty play. No worries, it'll come back around sometime in the future. Luckily for you, Utopia is a very forgiving community and maybe it's just flogger that follows through on all of his grudge commitments :P