CR vs AMA

[American Badass]

If AMA got 2v1 it would have been their own fault for making **** CF.

/thread.

[Minty]

Could someone post the exact terms of CF that zauper and elit had agreed upon? With clauses and all.

[Crunch]

K, so what did CR gain?

We were about 185K acres with about 1 billion gc stocked before ama deal broke.

We were between 182K and 183K acres after ama withdrew with just under 100 million left.

What we lost from this is:

between 2K and 3K acres.
A HUGE amount of cow acres that we cant gain back.
roughly 900 million in gc.
A large amount of troops. Far exceeding the losses any other KD besides ama got.

What did we gain?

Science from the ww. On average just short of a 10% increase in bpa per prov.
Acres on core.
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Does that add up to us gaining from this to you? We all know cow acres are soo much more valuable then acres on core. And the science is gains for us. But be fair and look at the effect it will have and at what is cost us.

Only 1 KD trully gained from this and thats the KD that decided they should step out, go fortified and pump on the acres they promised they wouldnt keep if they stepped out before the rest.
Pyro gained acres on their cows that they couldnt have gotten from anywhere else, and pyro gained acres on their uppercore that they could never have gotten in just 48hours through whoring simply because of lack of targets.

So yeah, I will stick to my earlier post and claim that only pyro gained from this. Everybody else is at a loss in some way or another.

every acre you and CR has above 10k is from ill-gotten gains.. pushing your **** play down on ghettos all age knowing you were never capable of war with a real kd..

maxi you have always been one the dirtiest player in this game.. all your deal breaks and double talk now masked by your Fake fair play alliance,,

maxi the master of **** play.. you called for a GB to get out of a 1 on 1 war with ama..

will you now call for a GB of pyro to avoid yet another 1 on 1 war..

doubt you can cause your Fake alliance is made up of cowards

[Palem]

If AMA got 2v1 it would have been their own fault for making **** CF.

/thread.

If CR gets dealbroke it's their fault for talking **** and provoking it.

See what I did there?

[Lupine]

so 2v1 is ok because **** CF and blah blah? So RBL was offered CF because of razing AMA earlier but they declined, So now they are being declared on. How is this not making **** of cf offered and suffer the consequences?

(Oh no, i forgot, because RBL allied with bigger parties and they have big boys to cover their ass.)

[American Badass]

Could someone post the exact terms of CF that zauper and elit had agreed upon? With clauses and all.

A standard CF, with a notice period that was the same as Pyro's CF with AMA meaning in effect AMA could notice Pyro and Havoc could notice AMA. This would have meant that when all CF were up and tick change occurred Havoc would wave AMA and AMA would wave Pyro hence AMA creating their own 2v1.

Havoc proposed to AMA/Pyro a deal whereby they'd extend the CF if they were allowed to war the winners of AMA vs Pyro.

AMA did obviously not fancy their chances vs pyro so decided route B, to deal break and wave Havoc (Before being able too).

[American Badass]

If CR gets dealbroke it's their fault for talking **** and provoking it.

See what I did there?

You are saying that when everyone **** talks each other on this forum. Not everyone throws their toys out their prams though :p

I guess Elit has been hanging around 9 year old girls for too long :D

[Maximouse]

Well as far as it seems Pyro might gained much more if the razes go on and in the end AMA cows feed into the gb group. Maybe they felt whats done is done and is enough? CR were nr1 and AMA screwed it over with a deal break. Now punished, and CR back close to where they started. (not nr1 but now not very far from nr1 spot, and ample time to prepare for a war agreed with Pyro earlier, is it cancelled?) Isn't that enough already? And yes at some point certain kd will gain and some will lose, you don't expect to play UTOPIA and always win or gain. Despite being the greatest victim from the start, you had your justice already. Now you demand some more just because you felt you lose the advantage and someone has to go down with you?

Lupine, unlike what nesta is trying to claim, we arent in this to get ama on 25 greens. And if there comes a real CF offer, then we will surely consider it.

I didnt go into this fight to gain. I went into this fight to stop ama from gaining from it. And unlike for Nesta, just elits word that he wont go for a crown isnt good enough for me. There is no reason to keep the 2nd prov in the game in place if he wont go for a crown. Basicly, since he claims he just wants to war and go for honor ww's, the banks at their current size will actualy hurt them. So why keep them?

The banks will prefend him from getting wars outside of the very top, and he claims he wants to CF that intire top till eoa. And on top of that, we just have to take his word?
So, his actions contradict his word. And we allready know he broke his word once this age to get what he wanted.
Yet we are the stupid ones for not making the deal he wants with him? lol

[Greaser]

Plus, you can clearly see that Elit still today thinks nothing he did was wrong. Stopping the GB is pointless if it has yet not gone into Elits thicks skulll that what he did was wrong and he should have no outs this age where he can crown anything etc.

Anri, your so ignorant. You can't change people nor their opinion with brute force and nasty threats. All you do is perpetuate the situation and encourage disobedience. The goal of this GB was to punish AMA for their deal break and to send a message that this wont be tolerated in the future. Well guess what? You succeeded in that, messaged received! I think kingdoms will think twice before performing a deal break. Although it seems support for this GB is now waning due to the dirty laundry being aired about this just being an opportunity for certain kingdoms to seek vendettas and exercise their hate.

But I digress...You can't stop kingdoms from "thinking" about deal breaking. You'll never EVER convince AMA the deal break was wrong. So stop pretending you can. Even if there was a chance to you first you have to prove to them that "THEY" and "OTHERS" were not wronged by CR shaping charts with "taxing" kingdoms, calling "dibs" in threads with idle threats when clear CF was in effect with 72 hour notices. No one has yet. The problem is, you yourself have almost no sway nor any reputation for knowing what's right and wrong having done your fair share of shady **** in the past. It's why everyone calls you and a few others in this alliance a big hypocrite. Do you even know what that word means? Here let me define it for you:

hyp-o-crite [hip-uh-krit] noun
1 a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Another words, if you've ****-played in the past, and now YOU are dishing out justice on behalf of fairness, you my friend are a HYPOCRITE and don't deserve to educate on the subject of "fairness" and "equality".

[Elit]

If AMA got 2v1 it would have been their own fault for making **** CF.

/thread.

If Havoc got deal broke its their own fault for making **** 2vs1 threat.
/thread.

[American Badass]

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt... Guess you never learnt this one Elit at school? :P

[Minty]

Greaser said something I've wanted to said, albeit in a much harsher fashion.

[Maximouse]

Your thread of waging a war with AMA cost you this painful event, and if AMA or PYRO were to war somehow after CF expired, you threatened you might consider a 2v1 situation with AMA because YOU DID WHAT YOU THINK YOU SHOULD DO for a crown, and what you would do is not fair play, total bs.

No, ama dealbreaking is what cause us this painfull event. Nothing else

[Crunch]

Lupine, unlike what nesta is trying to claim, we arent in this to get ama on 25 greens. And if there comes a real CF offer, then we will surely consider it.

I didnt go into this fight to gain. I went into this fight to stop ama from gaining from it. And unlike for Nesta, just elits word that he wont go for a crown isnt good enough for me. There is no reason to keep the 2nd prov in the game in place if he wont go for a crown. Basicly, since he claims he just wants to war and go for honor ww's, the banks at their current size will actualy hurt them. So why keep them?

The banks will prefend him from getting wars outside of the very top, and he claims he wants to CF that intire top till eoa. And on top of that, we just have to take his word?
So, his actions contradict his word. And we allready know he broke his word once this age to get what he wanted.
Yet we are the stupid ones for not making the deal he wants with him? lol

this is the same bs **** play you try to impose on ghettos (guess it is all part of your fair play initiative) telling them they are unbalanced kd and you are doing them a favor take down their big provs so they can find wars... who the f*** are you to find anyone a war find yourself a F******* war you coward.. you have no idea what ghetto goal is the strat or what are playing for..

[Minty]

A standard CF, with a notice period that was the same as Pyro's CF with AMA meaning in effect AMA could notice Pyro and Havoc could notice AMA. This would have meant that when all CF were up and tick change occurred Havoc would wave AMA and AMA would wave Pyro hence AMA creating their own 2v1.

Havoc proposed to AMA/Pyro a deal whereby they'd extend the CF if they were allowed to war the winners of AMA vs Pyro.

AMA did obviously not fancy their chances vs pyro so decided route B, to deal break and wave Havoc (Before being able too).

Thanks for the answer to my question. Who did what and why has been discussed enough, it's not in my interested. I'm curious though, was it only a standard cf? Elits suggests in his first post #27 that "deal we made with zauper last age don't let you interfere", can someone explain what that is about exactly?