Quote Originally Posted by Ezzerland View Post
From suffer severe case Elitish. ;)

You wanna try and explain how you think that AMA could have given Pyro a button before CR could have hit without AMA changing their deal? There would have been no button present on Pyro's side when CR started hitting. In fact, it would be luck of the draw on who could click refresh faster on which kingdom managed to hit another first.
How would that work though? In the other thread that Proteus started, it was agreed that a hostile is only a hostile if a button is given. Not 2 hits, not 7 hits, but a button. So you got AMA rushing to hit Pyro, meanwhile CR is hitting AMA. If AMA hits Pyro 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, even 7 times before CR does, but CR manages to hit AMA 8 times before AMA lands the 8th hit on Pyro, who is hostile to who? By Proteus' definition, CR would have established a hostile with AMA first. But you can bet that Pyro won't sit idly by while they get whacked 7 times, even if AMA chooses to then fight CR.

Obviously letting the situation get to this point is going to cause problems, because everyone will feel justified in their own actions. Why can't we see the kds use diplo to avoid this scenario? AMA has their right to schedule multiple CFs to end at the same date, but why can't they go ahead and re-negotiate one of the CFs to either be extended or broken early to avoid a double hostile scenario. I personally believe that as long as AMA and Pyro were both willing, they could have decided to end the CF a day, or even 1 tick early, and establish a hostile with each other. In the past Elit told me that once a CF deal is set, it cannot be renegotiated because it will affect the entire top. I don't know whether he truly believes this is the only way, or if he just said that to justify hitting into the Debauch/Pew war that we broke CF early to have.