Clearly sanctuary needs to come back
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No
Clearly sanctuary needs to come back
The Jerks.
Originally Posted by Korp
Actually Korp, they would have gotten more and war win bonuses if they had just given pew pew a straight fight.
I'd have to say I'm in the opposite camp, BB at least haven't been caught cheating but I can't say the same thing for CR.
Because personally I think that a kingdom who is willing to sink so low as to break the actual rules and cheat in order to get ahead wouldn't be above doing absolutely everything else as well in order to get ahead.
BB at least has the common decency not to cheat, CR doesn't. So I'd fully expect them to act in a similar manner as BB in that situation assuming there wasn't anything worse they could do because then they'd go with that.
Just look at how the situation with AMA turned out last age, CR was unwilling to give up even an inch of their advantage, they even went so far as to say that if AMA wasn't available when notice ran out they'd ****play them(and they did so even before they could give the actual notice).
So I think you're horribly misguided in considering CR to be on higher moral/ethical ground than BB.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day, Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Yea, cause Pewpew never done any lame things :) Its only natural wanting the cows ripe for picking.
Alleged(sp) hacking though..BB at least has the common decency not to cheat
That is because you respect CR's intelligence more than I do. I actually do believe it is possible that they are that dumb/drunk that they did not believe they were actually breaking the rules of the game. I also value how kingdoms treat each other more than I value the guidelines of the game. Would you break the law to save someones life? To feed a starving child? There is a difference between what is legal and what is right. They are not always the same thing.
I dunno, not at any time while I was involved with them they did not (unless you are counting the current intra-raze and BS acres to BB thing that is going on at present, debate that part if you wish.)
Sheister, while I appreciate you talking highly of us, I do not agree with you on this. The whole point with top-warring is to position yourself in the hostile and with button play. That's the name of the game, and where the 'thrill' of utopia comes into play. Bouncing, while gut-feeling-wise kinda gay, is a valid strategy. I remember when we used it first time, I thought it was stupid and lame -- but it's just one of many strategies in play. Just like chaining. While I can agree that it might seem 'rough' to use it against a ghetto, who would not think of it -- pew2 is a veteraned kd, to which this came as no surprise.
The point here seems to be that BB should be expected to play worse on purpose is odd. Of course, if BB were complaining that pew2 were lame for intra'ing you'd be able to say that's their own doing -- "you gotta make a war worthwhile for both parties" but I don't see BB complaining. I think they 'understand' that pew2 felt without a chance, and then turned vindictive and took away the prize.
The lesson from this, imo, is to try and remember that this game is most exciting when warring, and that both sides should have some kind of incentive to war. Just like we took away the incentive for AMA to war last age, BB took it away from pew2 in this. I think we can all agree that utopia is less fun in this enviroment and we should try to agree on some 'playing' rules so that more kingdoms go for war, even when facing defeat.
Pyro last age was a good example of honorable 'surrender' pre-war by offering the equivalent to our potential war-gain. Pew2 could have been the 'bigger' person by offering land for cf, when acknologizing BB superior planning/execution/setup/whatever -- that would be a good precedent but that is a personal choice.
munk, pew was all set to war. BB would have gained more from a war than by what they did. All they had to do was war. simple. pew, in retrospect, should not have dealt squarely with a perceived obligation to BB. Pew should have warred RBL and let BB and AMA raze into the war or whatever crap they were going to pull because at least then pew and rbl would have had a war instead of having to deal with the PoS's that they have to deal with now.
What I have learned now is, never try to do the right thing by anyone in the top. Screw them and their concepts of fair. They are going to do whatever they are going to do anyway. There is no point trusting in any diplomacy or anything from them. They will break whatever agreements they make at the slightest hint of a possible justification and if you stick to your end in good faith, you will be played in bad faith.
shrug I don't know what 'arrangement' were made kept/broken. I'm just talking from the point of two kingdoms starting hostilities - I don't see the big deal here. It was like saying we were 'unfair' to pyro last age, by using homespump to get deeper drafted than them. It's all strategy and tactics.
ehem, and being more pumped than they were and being more prepared and being ready for war, did you give button or at least give relations?
I believe that you did, but do correct me if I am wrong.
tbh, bounces should probably either just add 1 to meter or be more likely to add a point. bounce waving as a tactic is acceptable but I think in some circumstances it is a bit imbal.
The Jerks.
BB gave relations 14 hours into it.
yes, after both cows were destroyed, then they gave relations. I stand corrected. AFTER they had secured every advantage.
Its funny with all the threads about how people need to be willing to war with disadvantages and grow a pair etc etc...... but the top can't do it unless they hold EVERY advantage. Nevermind, Korp has it all figured out.
Probably hard to believe but I voted NO on the poll. I dont think BB and AMA are ruining the game. I do think that their alliance, or friendly relations or whatever they will call it now is bad for the game. As they said themselves, they are 2 of the 3 best kd's left in the game. Who actualy made a pact to deal with the 3rd KD.
Is there a realistic chance for real competition in that scenario? Only if CR goes for NW/acres full force, or if other KD's improve their line up, or knowledge, or activety, or a combination of those 3.
Last age Darkie (1 of the leaders in BB) and I talked a bit about how the top functions and we both believe that the top is way too narrow for alliances. Last age it was pyro/pew2/rbl and ama complained. This age its ama/bb working together from the looks of it while the other kd's dont. Still waiting on AMA to complain this age. Or is it only unfair when its against AMA?
Hahahaha didn't even realise there was two sheisters. Well played sir, well played!
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