PewPew vs AMA

[Elldallan]

Guys, I looked back through my saved KD news, and AMA has hit into my ghetto while it was hostile not just once, but TWICE this age. This unprovoked double hostility is ridiculous and unfair attempt for gain aces.

Is total ****play and hypocritical behavior, I expect all kds come help by gangbang AMA and punish poor sportsmanship.

Nobody in the top cares about ghetto relations because hostile tags are too often faked and SN requires too much effort, now if there either were a way to confirm hostile status without having to do ops or if SN was lowered to 1% stealth and had a similar difficulty as SoT then people might actually bother to check whether they hit into ghetto relations(I doubt that anybody would still care but at least then they wouldn't have an excuse anymore)

Does this mean there is a double standard... sure it does.
Oh, and which of the other top kingdoms hit into your hostiles, I'm sure AMA isn't the only one?

[Palem]

I think I'm gonna start ignoring top relations

[Elldallan]

I think I'm gonna start ignoring top relations

That's your choice and you're free to make it :P

Besides, as you(and I as well) has said in other threads elsewhere, the game is specifically tailored to allow people to hit into relations, we're not really talking about whether it's wrong to hit into relations or not. It's more about the metagame definition of what defines those relations and how they affect metagame stuff like diplomacy terms etc.
Pretty much every single ghetto ignores that part of the metagame, if a ghetto had a cf with a top kingdom like top kingdoms usually do with each other it'd be just as wrong if the top kingdom(or the ghetto) broke that as when top kingdoms break deals between each others.

[Elit]

Elldallan/Proteus,

Are you suggesting that if one kingdom stops hitting and opping another kingdom entirely, that the aggressor kingdom can continue to claim hostile for as long as they want until they decide to accept a CF? Surely there is a point where the conflict no longer offers protection from other people getting involved, even without both parties agreeing...

Stooping hits for 2h dont mean hostile is over. You was close to max meter and its why you cant hit much but your kd still done ops. You had very good chance for prevent b2b war from begin with take my offer and its was not greedy offer. Basically 2500 core acres for eoa cf yr5. You decide to start grudge and coordinate this ****s with pew pew. Dont get people for stupid. Every one can see this was planed and coordinated from both kds in advance. Now you have grudge with us and im sure we will see much more mad logs/post from pendel in future.

[Elit]

I think I'm gonna start ignoring top relations

Till you moderate forum its not going to happen :P

[tetley]

Elit why do you keep stating that our conflict was my choice alone. That's a very narrow view, as I pointed out before. You're the one who forced the conflict, not me. You wanted acres no matter what, that's the bottom line. And you always have a conspiracy theory where everyone is against you. It was your choice to go to hostile too, and now we have both suffered from it. This is the risk you took. Stop trying to blame everyone else for it.

[StratOcastle]

Elit why do you keep stating that our conflict was my choice alone. That's a very narrow view, as I pointed out before. You're the one who forced the conflict, not me. You wanted acres no matter what, that's the bottom line. And you always have a conspiracy theory where everyone is against you. It was your choice to go to hostile too, and now we have both suffered from it. This is the risk you took. Stop trying to blame everyone else for it.

No point being defensive. Suffice to say, Elit does understand and he has his kingdoms benefit in mind. He may have grudges that derail the overall good, but he does it with narrow view integrity.
Diplomacy from a point of weakness requires compassion from the stronger party. There's none of that here. That's why I encouraged you to wreck the AMA core. Again, it's not about hate it's about position. You were going to lose your cow effectiveness so your alternative was to crush what was feasible.

[Elit]

No point being defensive. Suffice to say, Elit does understand and he has his kingdoms benefit in mind. He may have grudges that derail the overall good, but he does it with narrow view integrity.
Diplomacy from a point of weakness requires compassion from the stronger party. There's none of that here. That's why I encouraged you to wreck the AMA core. Again, it's not about hate it's about position. You were going to lose your cow effectiveness so your alternative was to crush what was feasible.

Cant say it better. You explained it all !

[Smitty87]

Less QQ more Pew Pew.

It's going to war so deal with it.

Stop the whining and accept you'll probably lose. All this sooking is ridiculous.

[Meep]

I assume that when PewPew beats AMA, AMA is not going to do a max gain wave before withdrawl right?

Because it is totally unfair for a kingdom to do that, and if they did, PewPew would be justified in hostiling AMA until they were half their size, right?

[Elldallan]

I assume that when PewPew beats AMA, AMA is not going to do a max gain wave before withdrawl right?

Because it is totally unfair for a kingdom to do that, and if they did, PewPew would be justified in hostiling AMA until they were half their size, right?

You don't think they will anyway? If Pew are willing to dealbreak to have their conflict then the grudge has to be pretty bad so Pew will probably go for round 2, 3 and 4, regardless of whether AMA makes a max gain wave before wd.

[Meep]

You don't think they will anyway? If Pew are willing to dealbreak to have their conflict then the grudge has to be pretty bad so Pew will probably go for round 2, 3 and 4, regardless of whether AMA makes a max gain wave before wd.

Because, that's what pewpew did earlier this age when they beat ama. Oh wait, instead of being greedy assholes like elit, they gave him a free CF.

[Band of Horses]

This is the most off topic thread I have ever seen. OP was will BB vs AMA ever happen?

Palem shake these fools off please.

[Palem]

[Band of Horses]

Well done