Outside Hits into War

[Palem]

\What's stopping a person who was razed oow, from being so upset at being razed, that he or she now goes and create a bunch of random prov and raze into random wars just out of spite to vent his/her frustrations, and thus creating a snowball of a toxic environment for every utopians?

1. Multi'ing is against the rules
2. IP blocks

It's possible I'm misinterpreting what you're saying though

[Gidoza]

Palem - I don't multi, but I have easy access to multiple IP addresses and it would be quite easy for me to run a multi province without my being detected. My point simply is that it's being against the rules isn't going to stop a spiteful person from wreaking havoc with it. I think that that's what Madcow is getting at.

[goodz]

Palem - I don't multi, but I have easy access to multiple IP addresses and it would be quite easy for me to run a multi province without my being detected. My point simply is that it's being against the rules isn't going to stop a spiteful person from wreaking havoc with it. I think that that's what Madcow is getting at.

It almost definitely has happened before. How would you possible prevent someone from creating multiple accounts and razing someone if they have access to a bunch of different IPs.

What if someone got mad and had 30 friends help him raze you? These are just parts of utopia.

[Bukharistan]

Yeah, and it is a part disliked by 95% of the server. So if we want to give people a better playing atmosphere, why not fix this?

[Palem]

Yeah, and it is a part disliked by 95% of the server. So if we want to give people a better playing atmosphere, why not fix this?

95% of Americans hate paying taxes. Clearly should be fixed.
(see the problem?)

[Bukharistan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

If Americans don't pay taxes the entire society will collapse. If we reduce the damage of outside razes it will hurt perhaps 3-4 people every age, while making the game more enjoyable for at least a hundred.

[abu]

I think slightly overdosed is onto a winner.

Disable the ability to hit into a war which is not your own for the first 7 days since a prov was created?

[Elldallan]

Palem I'm honestly curious as to your acceptance of current state of razing into others wars. Do you feel the mechanic is sound and it is just through abuse that it has become an issue? I ask due to the nature of the war. I honestly would have expected you on side with this one.

Considering Palem is one of the people who have hit into war intentionally this age I think the reason for his acceptance should be obvious.

But I happen to agree with Palem here, wars were never designed to happen in a vacuum completely separated from the rest of the game.

Just remove land-razing and make building-razing the default (with no minimum). Deleting land isn't fun.

I'd much rather have real razes back in war where they belong, deleting land IS fun.

[Palem]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

If Americans don't pay taxes the entire society will collapse. If we reduce the damage of outside razes it will hurt perhaps 3-4 people every age, while making the game more enjoyable for at least a hundred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

I can link to fallacies too. My point was there are some necessary evils, even if people don't completely agree with them. Leaving razes open does infinitely more good than harm as it allows the game to police itself.

[Elldallan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

I can link to fallacies too. My point was there are some necessary evils, even if people don't completely agree with them. Leaving razes open does infinitely more good than harm as it allows the game to police itself.

I dunno about infinitely because 99.98% of all this so called "policing" is purely motivated by self interest and/or greed. I've never seen any case that wasn't.

[Palem]

So it capitalism. That doesn't mean it isn't beneficial to the game.

[Squee311]

Yeah, and it is a part disliked by 95% of the server. So if we want to give people a better playing atmosphere, why not fix this?

I am pretty sure less than 95% dislike them. The game has multiple charts and multiple forms of diplomacy. Learn diplomatic resolutions or risk being razed or double hostiles. It is not a ****ing war tournament server your wars... eowcf and hostiles are not exempt from especially if you did something to them and no diplomatic action was taken about it. You learned said lesson 2 ages ago Bart. You diplomacy is in order now isnt it? Took what 1 kingdom to raze into but you learned.

[Bukharistan]

Just a bunch of nonsense. People will still be able to raze into other people's wars, razing a province of 500 acres will still destroy a good portion of acres. The ONLY thing you won't be able to do is to keep making new provinces in random ghetto's and start raze-killing chained provinces. It's a bug/loophole in the game, and in my opinion they should simply block the account of the person doing it. I can't think of any other game that allows/encourages people to behave in such a way.

If I'm a footy hooligan and I intentionally interrupt football matches by kicking injured players to death, I at least get punished. I can't just keep doing it GTA-style, and there is a reason that decent society doesn't work that way. (that was probably another case of false equilvalence, yes so tempting).

[Squee311]

If someone used multiple accts (and ran them himself) then that is a different rules violation. And a whole different thing to be complaining about. If there is proof then its ban worthy but you can't go back in time and these things do happen.

But as the original post states along the lines past blood should not spill into wars. Handle your diplo and it wont it is as simple as that.

[Madcownivean]

I think that that's what Madcow is getting at.

Yeah, Gidoza rephrased my question perfectly.