FS vs ED: FS brings in out of hostile help?

[Zauper]

'Parthenogenesis
But I dont have any offer you are likely to take up on'

'Parthenogenesis
For now...4k honor and one full learn wave, without retals. Then EOA cf.' (they were getting like 1.5k honor per wave, so this amounts to 3x waves roughly, on top of what they took on initial wave)

'Parthenogenesis
No, those are the terms. Or we wait til your meter is maxed out and harvest it anyway. Or you can always push the button. If you take this to war, we would also agree on eoa cf after its done.'

can you please tell me the reasonable resolution part of those statements? ed leadership only says theyre open to resolution today, because they knew theyre wide open to many kds and wanted to look pretty & clean..

So their offer to you was 5% of your honor and a learn wave? Again, that doesn't seem too extreme to me. The bigger issue is the difficulty in extracting honor without removing land with it. Haven't they taken more than that to this point already? Wouldn't it have been wiser for you to take that deal that lose what you've lost? Didn't you take a larger % last age?

Those are the problems :p

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

So their offer to you was 5% of your honor and a learn wave? Again, that doesn't seem too extreme to me. The bigger issue is the difficulty in extracting honor without removing land with it. Haven't they taken more than that to this point already? Wouldn't it have been wiser for you to take that deal that lose what you've lost? Didn't you take a larger % last age?

Those are the problems :p

can you show me a precedent to that kind of deal? i dont care how it works in the top, but nobody gets multiple free waves in the warring tier.. there is a clear precedent this age, where we moved on for less than a cf but you have been deliberately evading this factual data for many posts now..

[Jonmeister]

Tadpole and Korp why on earth do I need bother to make an account on these forums for the first time since god knows and post a reply?
Tadpole hej ;)
Korp: dags o skaffa sig ett liv eller?
Fyi Im sitting on a bar on Costa del Sol Spain and get these strange messages that Im mentioned on these board. Im on vac. Get a friggin real life and leave me and my alone. Its a frigging joke all of you. Dont u have lives to take care of?

[Zauper]

can you show me a precedent to that kind of deal? i dont care how it works in the top, but nobody gets multiple free waves in the warring tier.. there is a clear precedent this age, where we moved on for less than a cf but you have been deliberately evading this factual data for many posts now..

You moved on for less than a wave when you didn't know who eachother are. That also happens in other places. Don't know who opponent is, extra nice. It's an opponent with a grudge? Less nice. I can tell you from looking at their logs that they didn't know who you were.

Precedent? Sure... Simians/Pew last age was at least 2 waves.

[2Utopian]

As a semi-interested bystander can someone explain how / why zauper became the ASF of this conflict?

[TommyB]

As a semi-interested bystander can someone explain how / why zauper became the ASF of this conflict?

You don't "become an ASF" by using less than 1000 words in each post.

[Zauper]

You moved on for less than a wave when you didn't know who eachother are. That also happens in other places. Don't know who opponent is, extra nice. It's an opponent with a grudge? Less nice. I can tell you from looking at their logs that they didn't know who you were.

Precedent? Sure... Simians/Pew last age was at least 2 waves.

I've also been given these logs.

In which you:
1) Seem to ask for and get a free full wave (did you have hitters other than your undead that had troops home?). Did you even WANT to gain land on your elves? They're mystics, seems like gaining land without conflict would be counterproductive for them..
and
2) Suggested the deal (which runs counter to your prior statement that you never do that)

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

You moved on for less than a wave when you didn't know who eachother are. That also happens in other places. Don't know who opponent is, extra nice. It's an opponent with a grudge? Less nice. I can tell you from looking at their logs that they didn't know who you were.

Precedent? Sure... Simians/Pew last age was at least 2 waves.

we always move on after taking a free wave, and that is the common practice where we live.. i find it hilarious to think you can hide behind a hostile as long as you make ridicilous demands to prevent your opponent from accepting it..

'Parthenogenesis
But I dont have any offer you are likely to take up on'

read this and tell me parth wasnt making the offer so we wouldnt accept it..

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

I've also been given these logs.

In which you:
1) Seem to ask for and get a free full wave (did you have hitters other than your undead that had troops home?). Did you even WANT to gain land on your elves? They're mystics, seems like gaining land without conflict would be counterproductive for them..
and
2) Suggested the deal (which runs counter to your prior statement that you never do that)

can you quote me where i state i never suggest deals as offender?

p.s. #1 is incorrect as they have made retal hits & ops vs our ud hits, and we could make a lot more elf hits which we didnt do.. whichever way you want to look at it, we didnt get a full wave..

[Zauper]

we always move on after taking a free wave, and that is the common practice where we live.. i find it hilarious to think you can hide behind a hostile as long as you make ridicilous demands to prevent your opponent from accepting it..

'Parthenogenesis
But I dont have any offer you are likely to take up on'

read this and tell me parth wasnt making the offer so we wouldnt accept it..

and ED also usually does that....except where they have a grudge? I'm surprised you don't realize that grudges make things different.

But, 5% of your honor does not sound unreasonable to me.

[Zauper]

can you quote me where i state i never suggest deals as offender?

p.s. #1 is incorrect as they have made retal hits & ops vs our ud hits, and we could make a lot more elf hits which we didnt do.. whichever way you want to look at it, we didnt get a full wave..

You said that's why you didn't offer ED a deal last age when I pointed out that the offer of CF for wave never appears to have existed.. it isn't the job of the aggressor.

[Tadpole]

Tadpole and Korp why on earth do I need bother to make an account on these forums for the first time since god knows and post a reply?
Tadpole hej ;)
Korp: dags o skaffa sig ett liv eller?
Fyi Im sitting on a bar on Costa del Sol Spain and get these strange messages that Im mentioned on these board. Im on vac. Get a friggin real life and leave me and my alone. Its a frigging joke all of you. Dont u have lives to take care of?

Awesome stuff, hope you're enjoying the Sun Jon! :) Should pop on IRC at some time or another and say hi. I don't idle all that much these days, but who knows, we might get lucky! :) As for my forum activity, well, I'm isolated in a hut in the forest of Halland for a month or so - need some evening entertainment now and then (avoid 'lappsjukan'') ;) Don't worry, I'm sure it won't last.

As for mentioning and bothering you, sorry, but I didn't. Nor did I (or Korp?) ask anyone to bugg you on your vacation. Didn't even know you still play(?) in FS. I think you better direct that annoyance of yours at whatever kd scrub pulled you from the sun and the drinks ;)

[jwuzi]

Is it time to change the definition of hitting into hostiles?

Step 1. Get a forum post
Step 2. PR so your side looks like the victim
Step 3. Talk about stopping hits and ops
Step 4. Have ghettos hit your opponent?

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

You said that's why you didn't offer ED a deal last age when I pointed out that the offer of CF for wave never appears to have existed.. it isn't the job of the aggressor.

my exact quote to ed last age was 'you need to offer something for a cf, like a free wave or a number of free hits or something along those lines'.. feel free to take this as an offer or not, but i havent said i never do that, nor i havent done that..

[Zauper]

my exact quote to ed last age was 'you need to offer something for a cf, like a free wave or a number of free hits or something along those lines'.. feel free to take this as an offer or not, but i havent said i never do that, nor i havent done that..

logs?

This is all I see:

[11:06] <Francis> obviously, 'just cf' isnt a real offer at this point
[11:06] <Francis> you need to make A LOT more than that

And the issue with that, is that it is when you offer 750 honor/day for the CF. Which is a lot more than you just indicated.