FS vs ED: FS brings in out of hostile help?

[silverfox]

From what I gather in this thread, can someone answer why nesta gets to keep those acres and why bb is compensating ed on behalf of pyro?

Because they can.

Who would spend the time razing off the acres? Who would police the winners of an alliance war in the same age? This is what happens when you don't pick a side in wars then realise people you thought you had amicable relationships with are nothing more than cockroaches.

BB posts nothing about why they're giving away honour to ED, Pyro posts nothing about why they waved ED and FS leadership have ran away to hide so they don't get verbally molested anymore after the worst attempt at covering up asking for a double hostile.

Brief timeline of events (not going to claim this is 100% accurate as I'm not going to go through logs, so feel free to consider it biased/wrong):

- FS asks for CF extension from ED, it's declined.

- ED prep to wave FS, FS drop out of EoWCF early and explore/random grab then hit fort.

- Around this time BB try to 3rd party for FS, talks are around time to prep and I think Parth offers 2.5 days to FS to prep for war if they give ED button (seem to recall BB asking for 1 day but no button mention?) and ED asks for both KDs to not grow (yes ED is in a better position).

- FS refuse offers, ED starts to hit FS, FS refuse any of EDs offers saying they're stupid.

- Around this time coincides with Pyro players post that they are told to prep for waving KD, maybe irrelevant.

- ED and FS have more discussions, I don't know every single offer made but around 5% of honour and a learn wave has been mentioned but not acceptable (feel the need to point out that FS had just came out of a war where they farmed Emeriti, so a large amount of land/honour they gained was in a war where the other side wasn't fighting back at full strength/at all).

- FS claim CF offer means they're no longer hostile and ED could take it without any terms (meaning FS can jump ED whenever they want later in age) or they're open to all server for hits. This is 180 degree turn around in opinion compared to FS telling ED they'd OOW hit them if they tried to run from hostile (which FS claimed was a war) and directly opposite to posts made by FS allies saying hostiles are valid for as long as wanted.

- FS do no ops/hits for around 17 hours then Pyro waves ED, FS claims this isn't double hostile despite having 127 pts on meter and having pounded ED with ops for 3 days.

- 4 hours after Pyros last hit into ED and 8 hours after wave started FS makes attacks into ED, before that they'd been doing LL & continued with other ops:

July 21 of YR7 Faith and icecream (Pyro first hit) invaded PeaLicious (ED and captured 410 acres of land.
January 1 of YR8 Pursuing Ultimate Glory (Pyro last hit) invaded Pablo Picasso Paintball (ED) and captured 148 acres of land.
January 5 of YR8 Grumpy lusts for brains (FS) invaded Da Mystery Of Chessboxin (ED) and captured 143 acres of land.

January 5 of YR8 19,105 gold coins were stolen from our coffers! Shadowlight has revealed that Fingolfin (FS) was responsible for this attack.

- FS comes to forum to tell ED "of course we'll retal if you don't take CF", this is again 180 degrees change of stance where by FS had claimed they were "done with ED for the age" and wouldn't be engaging them again.

- Convo where BB justifies double hostile on ED to Pyro gets passed around, Pyro justifies their actions because of AWAR other KDs have been trying to "powerplay" the alliance KDs and Pyro aren't happy with this so feel they have to help FS. Nice of Pyro to totally ignore FS actions last age as holding any sway in this matter.

- Discussions happen and CF is worked out. Quite what level of bulls**t FS ran in their requests for help from alliance I doubt anyone will ever get to see those logs. Personally also dunno the talks between all parties with regards to working out the CF, just the terms include BB "refunding" ED the honour taken from them by Pyro.

[silverfox]

CAn someone answer why CJ cares so much?

It's a valid question is it not?

The reason for someone caring about knowing something doesn't invalidate the question itself.

In past ages people who've "policed" utopia have had to raze off the acres taken, why not now? I'll also give you the benifit of the doubt that your attempts to dissuade people asking valid questions has nothing to do with you playing in the KD which is being asked about.

[Korp]

From what I gather in this thread, can someone answer why nesta gets to keep those acres and why bb is compensating ed on behalf of pyro?

As i recall you didnt raze acres when gbing Ama did ya? Weren't Pyro the only kd that did tm BTW?

[Korp]

And what is this nonsense of people had to raze acres. That **** is stupid and not common practice.

[AquaSeaFoam]

are you really bringing up us giving GC to someone 5 years ago again in a war you won? good lord dude. Give it a rest, you've been saying this for a month. I had multis 15 years ago too, you should get me on that too!

This is why no neutral people support you, you come off like a crazy person.

We previously discussed that this was 3 years ago. You are in your 30s and unless you underwent some major life changes (born again christian or something?) I doubt your personality as a 30 something adult changed that much in the last 3 years. 3 years ago your personality was to directly lie and fully deny your actions when confronted until the proof was undeniable. Now 3 years later you are 34 is it? You are trying to say that at age 31 you were a completely different person than you are now at 34? Who is the crazy person?

[Korp]

Do you know flogger in person ASF? Otherwise seems pretty moot to talk about someone's personality.. Or I feel sorry for everyone that you know of you are the exact way in Utopia and irl.

[AquaSeaFoam]

But is interesting to see your going back to old style play asf. Like when we first met u had my boats sunk for a month for doing a random hit on you.

In age 5 you took over a province from another player that I had a NAP with and then broke the NAP and hit me. A couple of b1acksun's guys that I was friends with did sink you out. They were great friends; I didn't even have to ask for anything. I remember you had 11 rune farm multies that you used to amnesia me and we had to aw them out too.

[AquaSeaFoam]

Do you know flogger in person ASF? Otherwise seems pretty moot to talk about someone's personality.. Or I feel sorry for everyone that you know of you are the exact way in Utopia and irl.

I've talked to flogger a lot over many years both as an ally and a foe but never met him in person. Flogger is repeatedly claiming to be the most fair and honorable player in utopia. Now he is shocked and appalled that the #1 province hid his identity YR0 and Leshrak didn't admit to knowing him. Not that long ago, flogger was the one who had the council log leak exposing his dishonorable play. Before being shown the log, flogger directly lied about everything.

Are you trying to imply that floggers utopia persona is not real and instead just a fabricated character and this makes him able to go from a liar and dishonorable player into a saint instantly whenever he wants? I am no expert, but I believe that type of person is called a psychopath.

[MyNameIsMatija]

In age 5 you took over a province from another player that I had a NAP with and then broke the NAP and hit me. A couple of b1acksun's guys that I was friends with did sink you out. They were great friends; I didn't even have to ask for anything. I remember you had 11 rune farm multies that you used to amnesia me and we had to aw them out too.

LoL, must have liked you very much for something that you have never done, "facts".

[Shai]

Because they can.

Who would spend the time razing off the acres? Who would police the winners of an alliance war in the same age? This is what happens when you don't pick a side in wars then realise people you thought you had amicable relationships with are nothing more than cockroaches.

BB posts nothing about why they're giving away honour to ED, Pyro posts nothing about why they waved ED and FS leadership have ran away to hide so they don't get verbally molested anymore after the worst attempt at covering up asking for a double hostile.

Brief timeline of events (not going to claim this is 100% accurate as I'm not going to go through logs, so feel free to consider it biased/wrong):

- FS asks for CF extension from ED, it's declined.

- ED prep to wave FS, FS drop out of EoWCF early and explore/random grab then hit fort.

- Around this time BB try to 3rd party for FS, talks are around time to prep and I think Parth offers 2.5 days to FS to prep for war if they give ED button (seem to recall BB asking for 1 day but no button mention?) and ED asks for both KDs to not grow (yes ED is in a better position).

- FS refuse offers, ED starts to hit FS, FS refuse any of EDs offers saying they're stupid.

- Around this time coincides with Pyro players post that they are told to prep for waving KD, maybe irrelevant.

- ED and FS have more discussions, I don't know every single offer made but around 5% of honour and a learn wave has been mentioned but not acceptable (feel the need to point out that FS had just came out of a war where they farmed Emeriti, so a large amount of land/honour they gained was in a war where the other side wasn't fighting back at full strength/at all).

- FS claim CF offer means they're no longer hostile and ED could take it without any terms (meaning FS can jump ED whenever they want later in age) or they're open to all server for hits. This is 180 degree turn around in opinion compared to FS telling ED they'd OOW hit them if they tried to run from hostile (which FS claimed was a war) and directly opposite to posts made by FS allies saying hostiles are valid for as long as wanted.

- FS do no ops/hits for around 17 hours then Pyro waves ED, FS claims this isn't double hostile despite having 127 pts on meter and having pounded ED with ops for 3 days.

- 4 hours after Pyros last hit into ED and 8 hours after wave started FS makes attacks into ED, before that they'd been doing LL & continued with other ops:

July 21 of YR7 Faith and icecream (Pyro first hit) invaded PeaLicious (ED and captured 410 acres of land.
January 1 of YR8 Pursuing Ultimate Glory (Pyro last hit) invaded Pablo Picasso Paintball (ED) and captured 148 acres of land.
January 5 of YR8 Grumpy lusts for brains (FS) invaded Da Mystery Of Chessboxin (ED) and captured 143 acres of land.

January 5 of YR8 19,105 gold coins were stolen from our coffers! Shadowlight has revealed that Fingolfin (FS) was responsible for this attack.

- FS comes to forum to tell ED "of course we'll retal if you don't take CF", this is again 180 degrees change of stance where by FS had claimed they were "done with ED for the age" and wouldn't be engaging them again.

- Convo where BB justifies double hostile on ED to Pyro gets passed around, Pyro justifies their actions because of AWAR other KDs have been trying to "powerplay" the alliance KDs and Pyro aren't happy with this so feel they have to help FS. Nice of Pyro to totally ignore FS actions last age as holding any sway in this matter.

- Discussions happen and CF is worked out. Quite what level of bulls**t FS ran in their requests for help from alliance I doubt anyone will ever get to see those logs. Personally also dunno the talks between all parties with regards to working out the CF, just the terms include BB "refunding" ED the honour taken from them by Pyro.

Dont worry. I heard there is a Feyr play alliance out there who will bang the sh*t out of anyone for just knowing a dude that razed a few hundred acre in an EowCF. Seeing the magnitude of this crime, there will be some epic punishment coming Pyro/FS way.

[Korp]

I've talked to flogger a lot over many years both as an ally and a foe but never met him in person. Flogger is repeatedly claiming to be the most fair and honorable player in utopia. Now he is shocked and appalled that the #1 province hid his identity YR0 and Leshrak didn't admit to knowing him. Not that long ago, flogger was the one who had the council log leak exposing his dishonorable play. Before being shown the log, flogger directly lied about everything.

Are you trying to imply that floggers utopia persona is not real and instead just a fabricated character and this makes him able to go from a liar and dishonorable player into a saint instantly whenever he wants? I am no expert, but I believe that type of person is called a psychopath.

Do you lie and cheat irl as well? I feel sorry for your wife in that case. I mean we have variety of different people pointing out that you are wrong and Absalom done ****ty stuff hell even Ironballs pointed you were wrong. When claiming Absalom didn't cheat. While this goes on you keep trying save face by repeating same **** all over again. Anyway point was that you hardly can tell a person's whole personality from the internet.

[Korp]

Dont worry. I heard there is a Feyr play alliance out there who will bang the sh*t out of anyone for just knowing a dude that razed a few hundred acre in an EowCF. Seeing the magnitude of this crime, there will be some epic punishment coming Pyro/FS way.

Encouraging your friend to raze your enemy you mean.

[Palem]

I'm reasonably sure every person alive lies and cheats to some degree. (Cheat being understood as breaking the rules)

[Shai]

Do you lie and cheat irl as well? I feel sorry for your wife in that case. I mean we have variety of different people pointing out that you are wrong and Absalom done ****ty stuff hell even Ironballs pointed you were wrong. When claiming Absalom didn't cheat. While this goes on you keep trying save face by repeating same **** all over again. Anyway point was that you hardly can tell a person's whole personality from the internet.

To be fair, the worst thing ASF have ever done was to share an account with his wife back in the days while Flogger and Darklove between the two of them have ran more multis and pulled alot more sh*t in their days then even Mansoor could have dreamed of doing. If you played since the beginning of the game you know what Im talking about.

Everyone lie in Utopia and everyone lie irl. Even the good guys. It tells you nothing about a persons personality.

To repeatedly cheat in an online game, and doing it in a crazy magnitude thats very time comsuming. Now that do tell you quite alot about a person.

[Korp]

Not everyone does it on daily basis and denies it it wiith a passion and pretends to be innocent of all sins.