Quote Originally Posted by Zauper View Post
SF: Honestly, there wasn't a ton of discussion. I asked the three folks online what they wanted -- Helluva, Tadpole, and Parth. I'd say Tad was probably the main leader last age, but Parth is usually the main guy. Parth wanted revenge on FS (and Iampost -- the hope of everyone on the ED side involved was to fight FS again later in the age, the issue is that both sides wanted guarantees it would be fair, which would be hard considering feelings) for it.

No one (in ED that spoke with me) particularly cared about Pyro having had gained.

I'll be honest and tell you that there wasn't much discussion about the question of FS vs BB giving the honor. I went to them and said 'ED wants FS to give the honor that ED lost to pyro', and flogger said 'Can we give it instead, it would be easier for everyone?' I asked tadpole/helluva (parth was offline at this point), and they said sure that works.

So I would say that ED didn't have their demands met, but also didn't really ask for me (or they themselves) to advocate hard for FS to give the honor.

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As for why we're involved, it's simple:

GBing a kingdom for waving another kingdom outside of their declare range is a terrible precedent for the game. While I'd say Mirana has some valid gripes, there is sufficient evidence that SS and Ruthless coordinated their activities. That evidence has even been posted fairly publicly -- ingame messages from Ruthless' monarch claiming that they're coordinating a GB on FS with SS; Whatsapp channel logs with some of said coordination, etc. Circumstantially, the timing of razes beginning.

That there is additional evidence to the coordinated nature that is not being made publicly available is, frankly, irrelevant. The evidence absent it is quite compelling.

We're not exactly super involved. I think we've made a total of about 16 hits, with the last one being 49 hours ago.

The point remains though that ED was wronged and got a ****ty deal out of it without many other options. When you've been double hostiled by an alliance them then not wanting to give honour from certain parties and not wanting them to be engaged in 1v1 conflicts shouldn't be a primary focus, quite how FS got a CF out of the deal when Parth wanted to crush them and the talks should have been focused on repaying ED for damages I don't know, but it was more a point towards Palms posts where the real outcome was FS got a CF while being pounded, ED didn't claim all the honour from BB and Pyro gained acres/honour, now if you blank out the KD names there who would you think got the best deals. Lets not forget that ED was in an active x2 hostile as well, while trying to sort a lot of this stuff out.

I've only seen Ruthless' monarch post here, I'd hardly call asking if you wanted to get revenge on someone an act of organising a GB otherwise you could find a bunch of reasons to have KDs razed just from these forums alone. Also when a "guilty" party comes out and says they were asked something, then explain their reasoning behind actions, it's likely that they're being truthful. Why would Ruthless be asked to GB FS, then be able to magically invent a great backstory and have already stated before the fact that they would get revenge if possible.

Quote Originally Posted by citadela01 View Post
@silverfox
You are not the least of hypocrits on these boards, when FS farmed you 2 ages ago it was dead even fight that erupted after you onesidedly decided agreed upon war deal was void. We smashed you to bits starting from even grounds over it. To present it as blantant farming is BS. It could have and should ended much sooned that it did, but that is as much yours fault as it was ours. Our leaderships were just spitting poison on eachother.

Last age you vultured us when we came out of aliance war and waved us crazy pumped with half your KD ub and half our KD pk'ed in aliance war and restarted. It was a slaughter and we had no chance. We ofered 2 free waves in exchange for CF which is more than enough by anyones standards, you refused and asked for 4, which is unheared of. Its lame as **** to make such insane requests just cause someone stomped you 1v1.

What did you get from it ? You farmed ****ton of honor and land of us which propelled you in standings, and than proceeded to oow farm honor from kd's below you unhindered claiming crown in the process. The disparsity from honor gained from BB and lost to Pyro is nothing, drop in the sea you took from FS. You profited a LOT from entire affair.
You were fine with reparations made, dont backpadle now.
Not to mention whatever was dont to you is NOTHING compared to what was attempted by SS and its allies (including you) this age against FS.
FS didn't offer ED a CF option, ED offered FS a CF option. FS could have walked away and found another war but spent 2 weeks razing a KD, ED offered and gave FS a CF.

Who sets the number of hits a KD gets to make? You think it's fine for FS to wave SS multiple times with no CF option, but it's BS for you to be waved then asked for extra? Is it also BS that CR asks for a percentage of land for CFs? What if they can't get the land in x number of waves are they out of line? Pretty sure Parth even offered you time to get into range of ED to war and you declined that, prefering to ask BB for help.

A **** tonne of land and honour? While bottom feeding? Tell me more about how you've invented this scenario of us gaining so much of FS that it' "propelled us up the charts", that's hilarious. I guess it's cool to reinvent the past.

You don't seem to grasp the point of my posting. It's got nothing to do with trying to gain something from last age, it's to highlight the hypocritical nature of FS and allies. You can dish things out but can't handle them happening to you.