The U or "How to fail even ending on 2nd place for Dummies"

[bluorr]

Remember when you first joined Utopia and your Monarch told you not to steal from the big KD's ? This is why..

Wonder what crazy animals' Monarch feels about this ? One KD member insulting various leaders from top KD's while another promises to keep up his behaviour + hit into future wars..
Next age diplo could be fun :)

Read the above post. And if you would have read the previous pages, you would have noticed that I was more than civil, apologetic. For a big amount of hours and a big load of pages. I reckon the situation degenerated only at page 5-6-7. I ignored all others` taunts, Binar`s taunts and arrogant remarks till a point. If you would also be attentive, you would notice that vdshark didn`t participate in any discussion. He only joined after the whole thing with Binar went fubar. But yea man ... We`re at fault, isn`t it?

[MyNameIsMatija]

Uh bruh, just read what I've already told you, no hate here, I don't enjoy others getting hurt just as I don't enjoy stealing into people's prep. You had my attempt at being objective but you focus on the negative. I like you when you are strong minded and opinionated, a bit less when you try to play the victim card, that's what Binar probably got a bit mad about at you. Nobody here is as dumb as they might look :D

[vdshark]

Remember when you first joined Utopia and your Monarch told you not to steal from the big KD's ? This is why..

Wonder what crazy animals' Monarch feels about this ? One KD member insulting various leaders from top KD's while another promises to keep up his behaviour + hit into future wars..
Next age diplo could be fun :)

bruv, you can't call yourselves top kingdoms lol - its just whatever is left after everyone else quit age #50
oh let me pay to win my spot to win, let me buy sitting for my entire kd.
I dont say i didn't cheat, but it was with some risk behind. Everyone else was cheating. You guys have it the easy way, please don't insult the former top kingdoms by calling yourselves top:D.

You can call yourselves, middle at best.

[texn]

Well, since you have stolen lots from like everybody in the top i guess most think - huehue pewpew - right now, what goes around comes around i guess.
Is the "punishment" over the top? Depends from whose eyes your looking i guess.

I guess alot doh, im just a nobody.

[bluorr]

Uh bruh, just read what I've already told you, no hate here, I don't enjoy others getting hurt just as I don't enjoy stealing into people's prep. You had my attempt at being objective but you focus on the negative. I like you when you are strong minded and opinionated, a bit less when you try to play the victim card, that's what Binar probably got mad about at you. Nobody here is as dumb as they might look :D

I never intended to play the victim card. Perhaps my subjectivity got in the way at times, especially towards the end of the evening when I was out of energy and patience, hence the lash out on Binar. But even that, it was my doing. Tired or not I was aware of my actions. Today, if the table is set for a chit chat with Binar, I will gladly oblige as long as we`re at the same table as equal human beings leaving arrogance, stubbornnes aside, both me and him.

But back to our discussion Matija. To be more precise: I would consider 1-2 ... hell! 3 razes - fair for the damage done. Would you agree with me? Or do you agree that raze-killing is the fair punishment?

On a joking side-note, as a close friend of mine taught me, this situation is an "au kurac" situation. I probably pronounce it better than I write it :D

[vdshark]

dood blu, just leave it be.

[MyNameIsMatija]

You should really read everything I already said, I try to not say this in a condescending manner, you will find your answers there or basically a confirmation of what you are already saying in a way.

This "a u kurac" situation is your own doing, you are not supposed to be enjoying this, that's the whole point, just like they didn't enjoy getting GC stolen into their prep. There really isn't that much to discuss here, you have no power and no real case, what can I tell you, I sort of feel for you but then again I don't because I imagine I would be able to assess the situation for what it is better myself than what you are doing at the moment.

My personal opinion is of zero relevance here, might makes right, do I consider 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-infinity razes "fair" here? I don't know, some people need more, some need less, some might never learn, it is what it is.
Don't get stuck up on things like right or wrong in Utopia, it rarely matters in the end, I don't know how long you have been playing this game but that becomes apparent after some time, strange that you refuse to recognize this. In your position I would act more like vdshark than you I think, go down with a bang, stay a prick 'till the bitter end so to speak.

[Pale]

bluorr, the problem is not that you don't show remorse. The issue is, has been, and always will be that you did not spread the stealing enough and you completely ignored diplomacy. You might get away with stealing from a group quite a bit if you have a willingness to cease fire afterwards. But you go and do something stupid like noticing a bigger kd so you can steal more. You are just asking to get yourselves killed. The succesful smaller kingdoms typically pick their spots concerning stealing. You may only get to do it once without causing yourselves major trouble so make it count. As many have said in this thread, you must avoid being memorable. Frankly everything you have said has been pretty asinine. Quite a few of the people here are not speaking from a top Kingdom perspective but from one of just pure reason and understanding of how conflict works in this game as well as how it is typically resolved. I'm not sure how many times we as a community are going to have to deal with the stupid moron who cries in the forums because he's being killed and thinks it's unfair when the kingdom who was doing it warned the guy that it would happen if stealing didn't stop. When someone says if you do this again I will kill you and you don't stop, are you trying to call their bluff? Can you complain when it turns out not to be a bluff?

[Bart of Sparta]

You can call yourselves, middle at best.

We are glad to have joined the middle-tier!

My personal take on this:

1. Yes the U should be able to retal and duke it out with them.
2. No I don't think a bunch of KDs should coordinate to razekill them.

Since when is stealing into prep punishable by GB/organized razekilling? Are we going to GB every KD that hits into a warring tier KD's prep? This should be an issue between the U and crazy animals, and other KDs should respect a 1v1 conflict. Sure, if Animals during their conflict with the U try to steal from other top-KDs to fund it, action can be taken. But as long as Animals keep it 1v1, we as a community should respect that. As far as I can see Crazy Animals did not DB anyone, hit into their wars or stole during hostilities. Sure, everyone likes people to respect their prep, but I've seen many top-KDs claiming here that they take a SN before hitting, even into WAR AGREED tags. If there are no hits = no hostile.

[Jotun]

Bluorr - millions of gc's stolen = 2-3 razes ?
How does this translate into science/Learns ? Could a ghetto half your size take, say 500k-1million books and they'd get off with 2-3-4 razes before they'd get a CF ?

[Binar]

player by player emeritis lineup is pretty badass tbh

[vdshark]

this tread is pointless

well not 100% - i find it entertaining enough to keep myself busy from work

[Binar]

altso i havent razed crazy animals. i just called ouy what i saw as whining and misinforming

[Bart of Sparta]

this tread is pointless

well not 100% - i find it entertaining enough to keep myself busy from work

Your own KD created this thread :P

[vdshark]

just saw your signature - sick <3 vs QQ