Emeriti vs BB

[Proteus]

In this instance "prep" does not mean having enough time to get ready, having resources to get ready, etc. but rather decisions made by both sides during the pre-notice & notice period.

Add to that the fact the only advantage BB had was diminished by Emeriti forcing to farm Pandas giving them their Orc calves (killers) while BB already had more bigger Avians so hadn't benefited that much from taking land there. What was BB supposed to do in this situation? Just let Emeriti farm alone and take the age for free?

Pandas offered land for a long CF to both BB & Emeriti alike as they had cfs expiring with both kingdoms around the same time and wanted an extension (which they wouldnt get for free from either kd).

Your post sounds a bit as if Pandas favored Emeriti by wanting to give them acres and BB had no choice but to take acres as well. Prior to hostile starting BB was approximately 8K bigger than Emeriti. Pandas did not favors to Emeriti this age, earlier in the age they waved us and demanded 15% of our acres for a CF which was all the result of us getting tripple teamed OOP and having to fight an uphill battle relative to kds that had an 'uneventful' oop. Not trying to be negative or anything here, we have a lot of respect for you guys just wanting to highlight this post as its not fully accurate.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Also individual player effort pro pro.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Pandas offered land for a long CF to both BB & Emeriti alike as they had cfs expiring with both kingdoms around the same time and wanted an extension (which they wouldnt get for free from either kd).

Your post sounds a bit as if Pandas favored Emeriti by wanting to give them acres and BB had no choice but to take acres as well. Prior to hostile starting BB was approximately 8K bigger than Emeriti. Not trying to be negative or anything here, we have a lot of respect for you guys just wanting to highlight this post as its not fully accurate.

Pandas didn't have favoritism in mind. The situation favored Emeriti more than it did BB.

[Bart of Sparta]

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Are you agreeing or...

I meant there is no significant difference between avians/orcs. Avians have cheaper troops and orcs have free draft, which more or less cancel out each other depending on how much/how long you run arms (an avian could choose to have 20-25% arms pre-emergency-draft).


The major mistakes BB made IMO are that:

1. ****ty pump
2. They couldn't reach the humans
3. Once they couldn't reach the humans, they simply shouldn't have tried even with conquest

Same mistake Pandas made vs us, too much focused on UBs while forgetting the most important fight --> the core fight.

I hope BB has a plan B to get back into this, else it's gonna be an uphill battle for us vs Em :D

Edit:

4. They didn't use me.

[MyNameIsMatija]

4. They didn't use me.

Ze arch enemy?

[2Utopian]

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I meant there is no significant difference between avians/orcs.

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2. They couldn't reach the humans

lets all ponder this for a moment...

[MyNameIsMatija]

NW range is a weird thing, I mean if you listen to Godly he'd say you need low NW elites but... look at the high NW Orcs, how is it bad to have 9k Orcs being able to reach 14k or whatever Avians.

Guess Godly didn't actually war much :P

[Bart of Sparta]

lets all ponder this for a moment...

Nice out-of-context post :D we were talking about prep cost u nub.

Obviously orc/warrior is gonna stomp avian/cleric, really a no-brainer. Mixing cleric and warrior is a very dumb move as well. I don't get why KDs (especially in the top) want to be so smart about stuff. Take Emeriti, straightforward yet so strong!
An Avian/warrior on 18 epa would've easily reached those hummies btw.

Also, no offense meant to the people in BB, I'm telling them these things in private as well :D

NW range is a weird thing, I mean if you listen to Godly he'd say you need low NW elites but... look at the high NW Orcs, how is it bad to have 9k Orcs being able to reach 14k or whatever Avians.

Guess Godly didn't actually war much :P

Godly is referring to OOW whoring capabilities. In the past few ages that CR won they basically whored so well that wars were merely an exercise in collecting land.

[sexual harassment panda]

NW range is a weird thing, I mean if you listen to Godly he'd say you need low NW elites but... look at the high NW Orcs, how is it bad to have 9k Orcs being able to reach 14k or whatever Avians.

Orcs are able to upfeed/downfeed better because of the gains more than nw efficiency. They are a bit of a special case.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Nice out-of-context post :D we were talking about prep cost u nub.

Obviously orc/warrior is gonna stomp avian/cleric, really a no-brainer. Mixing cleric and warrior is a very dumb move as well. I don't get why KDs (especially in the top) want to be so smart about stuff. Take Emeriti, straightforward yet so strong!
An Avian/warrior on 18 epa would've easily reached those hummies btw.

Also, no offense meant to the people in BB, I'm telling them these things in private as well :D



Godly is referring to OOW whoring capabilities. In the past few ages that CR won they basically whored so well that wars were merely an exercise in collecting land.

I picked warrior because in trench wars the extra gen is nice, don't know why **** was split up, you'll have to ask LS about that like I did, the answer I got was, too late to change now, like why even make a decision if you don't know why you made it...

Ye I know Godly was referring to whoring capability, hence the comment.

[Proteus]

Pandas didn't have favoritism in mind. The situation favored Emeriti more than it did BB.

I really don't want to get into a back in forth, I have lots of respect for flogger, prot, BB/OS, and you've been all class this fight. This is basically two kds competing for land chart having a late age war and extremely clean & professional.

I don't agree that the Pandas situation really favored us for a couple of reasons. We would have preferred to engage them and fight them for acres, that way we would be in position to benefit from it. Its always good when you can engage a kingdom yourself and work hard to gain their acres rather than that kd having you and another kd take their acres.

Also couple of things from that deal. Coss was running kd at the time and made deals with us and BB. Our deal gave us 3k more acres than BB was supposed to get (part of this was because Pandas really were really unreasonable against us earl in the age waving us and making insane acre demands while coss was away (which he acknowledged). BB & Pandas cfed without conflict earlier in the age. So really take what we got from Pandas and subtract 5.5k from it.

So the earlier deal from coss was 3k more for us than for BB (coss' offer not ours). However, coss had left the kd and when it was time to collect remainder of acres, in place leadership had changed the deal and given BB equal acres to us even though it wasnt part of deal and you were already 10k+ above us.

Additionally when collecting acres, Pandas #1 faery province was only breakable by one province, and that was Emeriti's human cow which was in range (first hit on it for 500a). Pandas then ended up sending out military on that province which let BB cows gain significant acres on it which they otherwise would have not been able to break.

Also the last point, I reached out to protector to extend our cf given we had other targets in mind at the time but he respectfully declined. So in all fairness, we did not do anything wrong here. We got noticed by you guys and are simply fighting back in an honorable war.

As I said before ,we have nothing but respect for you guys.

[octobrev]

Working hard for acres > free acres? You must be trolling. Absolutely absurd.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Like you said, BB was 10k acres larger yet you demanded to gain more land than BB from a KD falling apart and you did. The whole situation pissed off pretty much everyone in BB, I doubt that was the sentiment in Emeriti as well. Be honest here. Anyway I have no quarrel with Emeriti, they played a relatively clean age, probably have the best overall roster and deserve to win the age if they do. Talking about past waves etc. is not fair though. Everyone gets waved. Think we were waved by both WSK and that Jester DBers whatever that spectacle is, we were ahead at start of age but it felt like some KDs were rather determined to diminish that lead, I think you can relate (the similar issues you've had with CR etc. at the very start).

[Bart of Sparta]

I really don't want to get into a back in forth, I have lots of respect for flogger, prot, BB/OS, and you've been all class this fight. This is basically two kds competing for land chart having a late age war and extremely clean & professional.

I don't agree that the Pandas situation really favored us for a couple of reasons. We would have preferred to engage them and fight them for acres, that way we would be in position to benefit from it. Its always good when you can engage a kingdom yourself and work hard to gain their acres rather than that kd having you and another kd take their acres.

U know, there was also a 3rd KD. That KD received none and even got dealbroken, an act which literally NONE of the supposed "top" that insists on certain morals policed to maintain the rules you want in place.

[Binar]

U know, there was also a 3rd KD. That KD received none and even got dealbroken, an act which literally NONE of the supposed "top" that insists on certain morals policed to maintain the rules you want in place.

Looked like you had that farmpolicing covered yourself barty :)