Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

[Pillz]

1) That's right. Utopia is not an individually based game. So when sheister did us wrong, your entire kingdom did us wrong whether or not you hit us, which is enough reason to raze you. So why are you keeping bringing up your initial hostile with the Strippers?

2) Nope

3) Nope

4) OK




So tell me, which jurisdiction does not consider a threat as an assault?

I have to assume you are intentionally being ignorant of literally everything in existence to make posts this stupid.

Sheister had not hit you from our kingdom. Sheister had not hit you for days. Once more, I ask you to explain what you hoped to accomplish by hitting him?

Other points are worthless at this rate you're obviously too far gone to ever have a correct thought in life.

Sheister y u check forum moar then IRC?

[Sheister]

Legba,

About half the states in the US.

Pillz,

meh, starting up clients is more than I feel like doing.

[Papa Legba]

Sheister had not hit you for days. Once more, I ask you to explain what you hoped to accomplish by hitting him?

^Sheister had not hit us for days because we had just come out of a war. But he hit into our first and second war. He never sent us any message that he'll stop doing what he's doing, so what makes you think that we'll suddenly drop all balls and think sheister had moved on? The fact that he stopped hitting us for days does not relieve him of the 50x something oow razes. So I'm not sure why you, him, or anyone in RoO is surprised by this. We made the proper assumption that Sheister will continue to raze into our wars. Whether or not that HE had moved on is completely irrelevant.

Sheister had not hit you from our kingdom.

We expect all players to have this thing called common sense and some level of judgment skills. It's not as simple as "Oh, XYZ kingdom is razing our prov 10x, so XYZ must want to stir up trouble with our entire kd", that thought is more fitting to someone with incapability for awareness, or someone who doesn't know how this game works. If you truly cannot distinguish between a kd-wide wave (which you seem to think this is) and single prov razes, then all these years of gaming have taught you very little. Thinking with common sense means when a prov defects over followed by 10+ razes on him, your first line of thinking should NOT be "oh, that kd wants to interfere with our hostile". If you still fail to see then I'm afraid that you are far behind the normal curve.

Legba,

About half the states in the US.

Good, now I know that you don't know the first thing about the law.

[Band of Horses]

1) That's right. Utopia is not an individually based game. So when sheister did us wrong, your entire kingdom did us wrong whether or not you hit us, which is enough reason to raze you. So why are you keeping bringing up your initial hostile with the Strippers?

2) Nope

3) Nope

4) OK




So tell me, which jurisdiction does not consider a threat as an assault?

If you want to make legal metaphors here, you started with battery since you hit him first and unprovoked at that time. You would be labeled the instigator for the resulting actions.

I hate when these topic go this route, silly rabbits.

[Papa Legba]

If you want to make legal metaphors here, you started with battery since you hit him first and unprovoked at that time. You would be labeled the instigator for the resulting actions.

I hate when these topic go this route, silly rabbits.

It wasn't unprovoked. Sheister's threat in this case provided a probable cause for a provocation for apprehensive action towards our kd.

[Pillz]

It wasn't unprovoked. Sheister's threat in this case provided a probable cause for a provocation for apprehensive action towards our kd.

Is DD now denying they hit sheister first????

Roflmao

@ previous post, you hit us unprovoked. You thought we'd be OK with you razing one of ours, we were not. And sheister was under the (apparently misguided) assumption that he and DD had concluded hostilities. As has been explained by sheister in depth.

I mean, I'm actually impressed how far you've backtracked this discussion. You didn't hit us into hostile, didn't hit us unprovoked, Utopia is a province-centric game, you didn't **** play, AND you didn't even hit sheister first....

10/10 m8

[Sheister]

Legba,

What can I say, clearly you are just a genius. You cite common law where a statute is proper. You then ignore that law varies among jurisdictions, then state that someone who does know these things does not know the law. Excellent. Clearly you are the man to employ....

"probably cause" for a private actor? Are you serious? lol....

[MyNameIsMatija]

I've figured it out. DD are masochistic - pride war against some of the most nefarious characters left in the game mixed with a pinch of lawyering against Sheister.

Much love for Abi though - you know it babe.

[emerix]

A conditional threat is not an assault. Common law is common only in Commonwealth countries. AFAIK, the United States does not apply common law in its courts, it is only persuasive.

1) That's right. Utopia is not an individually based game. So when sheister did us wrong, your entire kingdom did us wrong whether or not you hit us, which is enough reason to raze you. So why are you keeping bringing up your initial hostile with the Strippers?

2) Nope

3) Nope

4) OK




So tell me, which jurisdiction does not consider a threat as an assault?

[Kestrel038]

Oh poor m! But that is why I was asking you to explain it! Explaining yourself in a rational matter really is not your forte, you should stick to...... well is there ANYTHING you are good at?



Huh? You mean being stupid? Yeah, I suppose stupid people do rub me the wrong way....

And why should I explain simply because you don't understand? I'm sure that the vast majority of others reading know what it means, therefore your ignorance is not cause for any concern and certainly no reason for me to waste time trying to educate you.

If it bothers you, go look it up. If not, STFU about it.

Have a nice day :)

[Kestrel038]

Is DD now denying they hit sheister first????

Roflmao

@ previous post, you hit us unprovoked. You thought we'd be OK with you razing one of ours, we were not. And sheister was under the (apparently misguided) assumption that he and DD had concluded hostilities. As has been explained by sheister in depth.

I mean, I'm actually impressed how far you've backtracked this discussion. You didn't hit us into hostile, didn't hit us unprovoked, Utopia is a province-centric game, you didn't **** play, AND you didn't even hit sheister first....

10/10 m8

Apparently misguided belief?? Ok, so if we decide to just walk away now and you don't hit us before EoA.. are we ok to assume it's "dealt with"? And then if you come and raze into a war next age, we can stamp our feet like little children and shout about how "it was all dealt with"??? No.. I didn't think that would be how it worked the other way round.

Grow up Steel.. "One of ours".. like Sheister had been with you all age long or something.

Long and short of it is this.. you got into a fight with Strippers.. knew your only recourse was to raze into their wars, but you were only 4 people.. and you needed more.. so you invited Sheister along, either not realising, or not caring that he'd already been in an age long scrap with another larger kingdom. Then you act all butthurt because you're being hit by two larger kingdoms.

So please do explain again why Sheister misleading you was our fault?

And I love how you try to derail the discussion Steel.. let me recap for you

You didn't hit us into hostile - No, we hit Sheister while you were "hostile" with Strippers (a kingdom several magnitudes larger than yourselves)
You didn't hit us unprovoked - No we didn't. The only hits against any of you other than Sheister were after your threats to raze into war for 2 ages (provocation in anyones book)
Utopia is a province centric game - No, however, Sheisters actions WERE province-centric. Almost every monarch of every kingdom he landed in wanted nothing to do with his games, so he ignored the kingdom aspect in order to play his own brand of FSU.
We didn't hit Sheister first - We have never once argued that the first hit wasn't Tigress on Sheister. Not once. We've admitted it several times, so why are you saying we've done otherwise?

[Sheister]

Oh my! And I thought the point of writing was to communicate clearly. I guess not..... I will just assume you are spouting nonsense and have no point (since you never demonstrate any point.)

[Kestrel038]

Oh my! And I thought the point of writing was to communicate clearly. I guess not..... I will just assume you are spouting nonsense and have no point (since you never demonstrate any point.)

Actually the point of writing is to communicate. The clarity of such communications are very much dependent on the intellect of the individual reader. As I say, the rest of the server understand what I was getting at. The fact that you don't, and the fact that you somehow apportion blame for that on others, only adds to our amusement :)

[Sheister]

No dear, I don't they did. I have not seen anyone say they thought you were in the least clear. Most people seem to be saying you make no sense at all. Perhaps your sycophants agree with you, but no one else does.

[Kestrel038]

No dear, I don't they did. I have not seen anyone say they thought you were in the least clear. Most people seem to be saying you make no sense at all. Perhaps your sycophants agree with you, but no one else does.

Oh so because nobody says "Yes I knew what you meant" that means nobody does? People are too busy laughing at you to explain Sheister.

I'm not here for people to agree with me, unlike some, this isn't some pathetic online popularity contest for us :)