Sparta hitting on CD

[Panthira]

If Bart Co is enjoying it and even growing while getting their kicks, and it's not ruining your age what the frick is the problem? No more complaining

Obviously you don't understand. They are calling this an active hostile, when it's not. The hostile is one-sided. There is a meter at play, but we have let our side decay while they keep pushing their side up. The more they do that, the longer it takes to decay, meaning they are leaving the relation open - by not CFing under our terms, because by now we don't give them anything for free - or they stop hitting and let it decay.

They are hiding behind the "active hostile" status.

[umajon911]

The more they do that, the longer it takes to decay, meaning they are leaving the relation open - by not CFing under our terms, because by now we don't give them anything for free - or they stop hitting and let it decay.

OBVIOUSLY you just don't get it... You have no room for negotiations at this point. Yet you just don't see it because you let your poor judgement get in the way of what is ACTUALLY happening...

[Panthira]

OBVIOUSLY you just don't get it... You have no room for negotiations at this point. Yet you just don't see it because you let your poor judgement get in the way of what is ACTUALLY happening...

Apart from Sparta razekilling into our war, while we tried to move on from them, tell me what is ACTUALLY happening?

[Sheister]

When is enough enough? Conflicts like this one and Roo vs DD is one of those things that hurt the game. Get revenge, sure. Be a dick for a day, okay. Dragging stupid pointless stuff out for weeks is just stupid.
I am not taking sides. Mistakes were made, period. Get over it and move on before more people lose interest and leave the game.

I beg to differ. RoO v DD is good for the game and hours of entertainment.

[Squee311]

Apart from Sparta razekilling into our war, while we tried to move on from them, tell me what is ACTUALLY happening?

Its easy to see what happened. You made CF deals that handcuffed your dealings with others and you possibly played those dealings out to the 2 kingdoms that wanted acres( a commodity in this game).

Instead of go back and inform each and every kingdom you CFed stating you could not secure CFs w/o acre exchanges you ecided to take your other 2 options which where fight back...

thing here is you basically gave the land they wanted anyway and got your kingdom RKed. You want to avoid this in the future you should of listened to what persian said Fairly sure you could of mapped out deals in which you left EoW early and gave those guys you preferred to deal with the land before hand.

If you want to have the no free acres mentality at least have the decency to man up when it comes to defending said policy. Coming here and posting about how you think someone unfairly treated you because others were silly enough to let you off the hook is beyond me.

The smart play is never give something for nothing since not everyone has that viewpoint.

[umajon911]

Its easy to see what happened. You made CF deals that handcuffed your dealings with others and you possibly played those dealings out to the 2 kingdoms that wanted acres( a commodity in this game).

Instead of go back and inform each and every kingdom you CFed stating you could not secure CFs w/o acre exchanges you ecided to take your other 2 options which where fight back...

thing here is you basically gave the land they wanted anyway and got your kingdom RKed. You want to avoid this in the future you should of listened to what persian said Fairly sure you could of mapped out deals in which you left EoW early and gave those guys you preferred to deal with the land before hand.

If you want to have the no free acres mentality at least have the decency to man up when it comes to defending said policy. Coming here and posting about how you think someone unfairly treated you because others were silly enough to let you off the hook is beyond me.

The smart play is never give something for nothing since not everyone has that viewpoint.

Pretty much summed it up there. Just take Barts CF. You know he wont stop and has no reason until you CF. He forced the hand that is being dealt at the moment. That ****ty thing is that your stubbornness let it get this far with the greening of your provinces.

[kendy]

you basically gave the land they wanted anyway and got your kingdom RKed. Persian said you could of mapped out deals in which you left EoW early and gave those guys you preferred to deal with the land before hand

I am no fan of Panth [ duh ] but you, Persain, and umajon911 are saying Sparta is a KD of Honor because they raze kill CD for 3 weeks over some acres/CF deal? This appears absurd to me.

[Panthira]

I never imagined razekilling Bart. Being a monarch is a tough job, but finding my province close to razekilled, and thereby made useless to my kingdom for which I serve, (game) enrages me. How far will Bart go before the community realizes this is a toxic form of extortion.

How about this: we prefer to keep our acres. Not pay bridge tolls or get weeks of razekill. Not be strong armed. They had several waves we were willing to let them move on with reasonable terms, but Bart kept upping the ante, or demanding an answer at 4am when I'm sleeping, or ELSE.

That's fine. I'll take the kill, and cowgirl up.

[Squee311]

I am no fan of Panth [ duh ] but you, Persain, and umajon911 are saying Sparta is a KD of Honor because they raze kill CD for 3 weeks over some acres/CF deal? This appears absurd to me.

I never said that... what i said was they made deals with 4-5 other kingdoms stating they would not do a particular thing. They could not secure said thing with 2 of the direct comp of the previous deals. In essence they were in a no win situation and pretty much had to break a deal with 4-5 other kingdoms or go renegotiate with them.

They chose to fight. They had outs.. many of them. No where in the utopia rules does it state you keep your land for free.

Have something to offer or drop out of that range before the land can be taken, but stop crying foul looking for sympathy when you basically failed 4-5 other kingdoms that could of taken your land as well.

And guess what you still gave Bart as much if not more than what they asked for... at what the cost of 5 raze kills? Seems smart

[JusticeLeague]

OBVIOUSLY you just don't get it... You have no room for negotiations at this point. Yet you just don't see it because you let your poor judgement get in the way of what is ACTUALLY happening...

Obviously you don't get it...You do not have to demand anything from the CF. Pan kingdom is out of your league or not able to do any damage to Spartans at all. I don't understand why the need to drag the so called not hostile hostile. Hidden agenda?

[ckonn]

Why didnt give cf and move on when you are weaker, you ruined your kd by yourself and keep crying/complaint.

[Band of Horses]

Echoing both of squee's posts! Well said

[Panthira]

Sender King Bart the Skeptic of Spartan of Heaven (Bartans)
Recipient The Wise Queen Blue Sky of The Queen is Here (CD)
Subject Re:Yo
CR can notice us in 2 days. We can pay them 4K land to renew CF until YR10. Emeriti is Feb YR5 and will rape Pandas. WSK/BB are secure. Honestly don't know what you're hoping for.

9 minutes left.

> The Wise Queen Blue Sky of The Queen is Here (CD) said: > > > Shai is not here. You've hit this tick already. You are in a rush. What's the hurry, big kingdom King o'mighty? > > I think you can give us hours if we need it. You are a grown up and don't need instant gratification like a child? No, I think you can wait. You given me plenty of time to think. > >> King Bart the Skeptic of Spartan of Heaven (Bartans) said: >> >>
I am very much unwilling to, but he convinced me to do it. I'm giving him/you until 30 past this hour to do so.

>> >> > The Wise Queen Blue Sky of The Queen is Here (CD) said: >> > >> > You just attacked again. How is that CF? It is relevant to me. I'm sure you'd want to know who is stepping in for you. >> > >> > Hint: beating on a tiny kd for BS excuses for 9 days is not "having a heart" or making friends. >> > >> > As far as CF, It's 3am. I need to talk to shai. He should be around soon. In the meantime, at least pretend you want a cf and stop hitting.

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Sender King Bart the Skeptic of Spartan of Heaven (Bartans)
Recipient The Wise Queen Blue Sky of The Queen is Here (CD)
Subject Re:Yo
I'm in charge of diplo in this conflict. You can either pay 6K land for an EOA CF ((On top of the land he already waved for!!)), or the terms are as follows:

1. CD does not pay acres to Sparta or any other KD in the top 10.

2. CD tags up "don't fcuk with Sparta" until EOA.

3. Sparta will get a one-sided option to give a 48-hour notice to CD.

4. CD will not grow bigger than 60% of Sparta's size.

> The Wise Queen Blue Sky of The Queen is Here (CD) said: > > Your terms are 45% of our land. That is unheard of and ridiculous! Let Matija handle this. At least he was reasonable and had class. You are ruining your players round harping on my kd. > >> King Bart the Skeptic of Spartan of Heaven (Bartans) said: >> >> It doesn't really matter which person you send to do diplo, the only thing that will change the situation are concrete terms. I'm not up for any more diplo as in "talking about what might be a possible solution". You have my terms, up to you to accept or not.

[Panthira]

Matija and I had worked this out and we were just about to agree, when Bart stepped in and said NO.

You people keep pointing fingers at me and say this is me. I am kind of mad now. Screw you all.

Sender The Wise Lord Matija of Spartan of Redeeming Qualities (Bartans)
Recipient The Wise Queen Blue Sky of The Queen is Here (CD)
Subject yo
Interested in an EoACF? Then we can put this to rest. I was thinking we take a bit land on our bottom humans without retals and we call it quits for the age.

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I agreed, Matija wrote back and said Bart refused.

[Band of Horses]

9 days of hostility and you complain about them making hits in the same hour as CF negotiations(that you try to postpone anyways expecting a full night of no hits)? Maybe that's the C in CD? Complain Daily!