-wsk- vs CR round 2 ? 3 ?

[sexual harassment panda]

Pump and wait.

We were already pumped and out of whoring range. No matter how much deeper we drafted we wouldn't have been able to get around them being massively ahead of us thanks to clash royale feeding them a bunch of acres and more importantly giving them undeserved prep time.

[Sheister]

ok, so now that this is winding down...

who needs a hug?

[Maximo]

ok, so now that this is winding down...

who needs a hug?

cRs and Meep need a threeway hug with you. =]

Ill take one too.

[JusticeLeague]

We were already pumped and out of whoring range. No matter how much deeper we drafted we wouldn't have been able to get around them being massively ahead of us thanks to clash royale feeding them a bunch of acres and more importantly giving them undeserved prep time.

Can please clarify
How many acres did Clash Royale farmed to WSK that resulted in CR failed war?

What was the acres size before and start of war?
Also, what is the acres starting size when CR and WSK started Round 2 war?
So when WSK is engaging in a war with Clash Royale, isn't CR having more time to stock and prep for the conflict?

So let assume if Emeriti failed to win WSK later on, are they going to blame it on CR for feeding WSK cow to 33k acres

[sexual harassment panda]

Can please clarify
How many acres did Clash Royale farmed to WSK that resulted in CR failed war?

What was the acres size before and start of war?
Also, what is the acres starting size when CR and WSK started Round 2 war?
So when WSK is engaging in a war with Clash Royale, isn't CR having more time to stock and prep for the conflict?

So let assume if Emeriti failed to win WSK later on, are they going to blame it on CR for feeding WSK cow to 33k acres

I specifically said acres AND prep time. A +1 mana/tick full tog kd with 8/0 offspecs is brutal in a b2b provided they get the spec credits in the first leg. This is painfully obvious and also why the ww was so important in a b2b, especially given the setups. WSK's orcs were decimated in the first leg which forced the withdraw. By war end they could muster about 250k offense max. By the time round 2 was due to start they were able to get 600k on their top end orcs with most lagging behind. Several of the chained ones could only muster about 250k off. Their cows had to focus their own military which left no room to aid those orcs up to fighting shape.

Fast forward to clash royale losing. The prep time speed advantage of faery was gone. WSK's orcs had decent acres again and could muster about 800k off top end and 600k bottom end. Their cows got another week of wpa gains which took fb out of the equation. Their heretics used the post war spec credits to get os. Hell, even with the razes, wsk had more acres than CR. If we hadn't razed the situation undoubtedly would have been worse.

OOW we couldn't stock because it was stocking to no ends. Where does the extra gold go when you're already at a pretty reasonable effectiveness? Not science, not military, not exploring with no pool. There was no one to hit as the overwhelming majority of provs were out of whore range. Faery's strength is short term prepping.

[JusticeLeague]

I specifically said acres AND prep time. A +1 mana/tick full tog kd with 8/0 offspecs is brutal in a b2b provided they get the spec credits in the first leg. This is painfully obvious and also why the ww was so important in a b2b, especially given the setups. WSK's orcs were decimated in the first leg which forced the withdraw. By war end they could muster about 250k offense max. By the time round 2 was due to start they were able to get 600k on their top end orcs with most lagging behind. Several of the chained ones could only muster about 250k off. Their cows had to focus their own military which left no room to aid those orcs up to fighting shape.

Fast forward to clash royale losing. The prep time speed advantage of faery was gone. WSK's orcs had decent acres again and could muster about 800k off top end and 600k bottom end. Their cows got another week of wpa gains which took fb out of the equation. Their heretics used the post war spec credits to get os. Hell, even with the razes, wsk had more acres than CR. If we hadn't razed the situation undoubtedly would have been worse.

OOW we couldn't stock because it was stocking to no ends. Where does the extra gold go when you're already at a pretty reasonable effectiveness? Not science, not military, not exploring with no pool. There was no one to hit as the overwhelming majority of provs were out of whore range. Faery's strength is short term prepping.

Now I got it. Perhaps you should continue razing...Will there be a round 3?

[StratOcastle]

Now I got it. Perhaps you should continue razing...Will there be a round 3?

Next age: faery warriors vs orc sages.

[ivan]

I specifically said acres AND prep time. A +1 mana/tick full tog kd with 8/0 offspecs is brutal in a b2b provided they get the spec credits in the first leg. This is painfully obvious and also why the ww was so important in a b2b, especially given the setups. WSK's orcs were decimated in the first leg which forced the withdraw. By war end they could muster about 250k offense max. By the time round 2 was due to start they were able to get 600k on their top end orcs with most lagging behind. Several of the chained ones could only muster about 250k off. Their cows had to focus their own military which left no room to aid those orcs up to fighting shape.

Fast forward to clash royale losing. The prep time speed advantage of faery was gone. WSK's orcs had decent acres again and could muster about 800k off top end and 600k bottom end. Their cows got another week of wpa gains which took fb out of the equation. Their heretics used the post war spec credits to get os. Hell, even with the razes, wsk had more acres than CR. If we hadn't razed the situation undoubtedly would have been worse.

OOW we couldn't stock because it was stocking to no ends. Where does the extra gold go when you're already at a pretty reasonable effectiveness? Not science, not military, not exploring with no pool. There was no one to hit as the overwhelming majority of provs were out of whore range. Faery's strength is short term prepping.

So you tell that Cr didn't pump wizards, I think even better because wsk cows must run lower guilds due war with Clash.
Next one your chained fayres don't have much army if the conflict started and they will be meat for orcs even with 250k offense, which will bring them were they were before to double self.
So for me no matter what happen wsk will beat you, because they will do what they did in b2b, mass mystics and drop rest with ops to core range, maybe slower but the end will be same.

[drakon]

So you tell that Cr didn't pump wizards, I think even better because wsk cows must run lower guilds due war with Clash.
Next one your chained fayres don't have much army if the conflict started and they will be meat for orcs even with 250k offense, which will bring them were they were before to double self.
So for me no matter what happen wsk will beat you, because they will do what they did in b2b, mass mystics and drop rest with ops to core range, maybe slower but the end will be same.

Can you please read more that one reply before you post? In order to maybe understand what the guy sais?

[Mike^]

what the guy said was alot of crap excuses, CR had all the time in the world to get ready, but the new LS and new players has no idea what they are doing = crap and would drop to wsk any day of the week, not even with 2 weeks prep would CR have a chance, im sad to say this but dang they need godly back and themango becouse the rest is just lost. no clue nubs.

[Mike^]

round 3 will be brutal, CR made clear they wont give max metere back it means that will be even up to the point where wsk will just farm them out of range, no absie or spartans will lift a finder to help them.

They might get that "loner" kingdom to help them, you know the location we cant give but who feed them acers early age while fought everyone else, but i gusse that is the only kingdom who will aid them, are you guys running that on a munk updated login site CR ? or is it just old players ?

[Band of Horses]

Mike your bias is showing.

Are you still in RoO? Or have you rejoined coss?

Wsk were severely disadvantaged in the b2b til they dodged. WW credits plus tog and spec train, cr had upper hand. Sure they could have blew it like the first war, but coss dodging helped wsk beyond belief.

[Korp]

Yesterday mike told me that he only speaks facts and todays he's accusing CR having a friendly ghetto and that they are xlogging lol. Lots of facts there..

[sexual harassment panda]

Now I got it. Perhaps you should continue razing...Will there be a round 3?

Who knows? It depends on how reasonable people are, and if this age has taught me anything there's a good shortage of reason across the board.

So you tell that Cr didn't pump wizards, I think even better because wsk cows must run lower guilds due war with Clash.
Next one your chained fayres don't have much army if the conflict started and they will be meat for orcs even with 250k offense, which will bring them were they were before to double self.
So for me no matter what happen wsk will beat you, because they will do what they did in b2b, mass mystics and drop rest with ops to core range, maybe slower but the end will be same.

I don't know what to tell you then besides you probably didn't get intel from our end. I don't blame you because casino royale hit you, and you were probably focusing your efforts on them. Even the chained faeries were back up to 400k def, and they were so small you really could only gain from them via downfeeds. They'd get overwhelmed like the first war, but instead of your 14 orcs only being able to hit 10 from the first leg you'd have your 14 orcs only being able to break 6-8 provs before things leveled out. The previous UB used the pop space + spec credits for os and your cows were in a rough position where if they sent out they were hittable by our upper core.

And pumping wpa wasn't much of a reasonable option considering pop space limits everyone's actions. This is why I keep saying faery's biggest strength is pumping fast. But when you reach those ends its over. Either you gain acres or waste time. I can't pump wpa on 2-4 ppa. If I release army to pump wpa then my province is going to be weaker than if I didn't bother to begin with.

what the guy said was alot of crap excuses, CR had all the time in the world to get ready, but the new LS and new players has no idea what they are doing = crap and would drop to wsk any day of the week, not even with 2 weeks prep would CR have a chance, im sad to say this but dang they need godly back and themango becouse the rest is just lost. no clue nubs.

Mike, I <3 you but you're either not reading or just trolling. Prep time is meaningless out of whoring range up to a certain point. There's no gold sink like science of ages past, and you can only be so pumped on your acres.

TheMango's, Godly's, Zauper's, etc. voids have been felt all age. No doubt. It put strain on everyone else. Any kingdom including 3-peat crown winners Emeriti would suck if their top 3-4 leaders quit the game. That's really what happened here. But to be fair I have some idea what I'm doing at least with province management. I did manage to bounce a couple of big hits on me when wsk chained me in the 2nd war. We weren't gonna win, but I'd at least annoy them. I'm pretty sure they ended up oversending after a while.

[TheRealBazinga]

In hostile period, Clash Royale hit almost exclusively the faeries and the forth smaller bank (which lost 1700 acres in hostile only and was ultimately lost in that war).

wSk lost over 6k very important acres (due to their distribution) in one wave, in a period of time when the whole server knew about our ongoing conflict with CR. Would've this been annoying for everyone? Would've this been painful for everyone?

As a parenthesis, here are some circumstances that allowed wSk to think that there was more involved in this than is visible:
- Leaders of Clash Royale and wSk were friends before this incident [crs and Gurch (hope that i spelled his name correctly) had a history together since the latter played in Sanitarium];
- Their CF was set on a friendly basis, wSk had no intention of breaking it;
- Clash Royale gave acres to CR before the first war with wSk (this should've been an alarm signal);
- Clash Royale broke their CF once more, just before the first war between wSk/CR (no hits were exchanged BUT a lot of money were stolen - wSk had to change their entire hostile tactic due to this) (a second alarm signal, this time it should've been like an aviation alarm).

In war wSk received 100 (that's ONE HUNDRED) razes from CR for a grand total of @17k acres (calculated with http://home-world.org/utopia/formatter/).

wSk gained around 15k acres from its war with Clash Royale. If we subtract the 6k lost in hostile, there are only @9k gained from Clash vs 17k razed by CR.
wSk only added significant acres on one bank (like @4k acres) and approximately 2k on another.

wSk lost 6k acres on the forth bank (losing it for good - currently he's at core level acreage) and over 8k acres on the faeries in the war with Clash Royale.

In the meantime, while performing 100 razes on wSk, CR had all the time in the world to pump/gather money/explore (these added to the WW credits/bonus from the first war).

After its war with Clash Royale, wSk started the second war with CR and clearly won.

Now, why wSk won the second war:
- its LS was sleeping like 3-4 hours per night at most (both crs and coss were like non-stop on whatsapp - crs had his driving license taken away by police for texting and driving);
- due to the previous wars/skirmishes between the two kingdoms (last age we warred twice in uneven conditions with CR being more than double in size) wSk had an above the average activity;

Why CR lost the second war (LE):
- their new LS didn't knew how to play its banks (they lost all 3 banks in the first war);
- it lacked a clear strategy/tactics (in both wars);
- it lacked activity (in the second war) (they even had a casualty soon after the war due to this reason).

In conclusion, we never dodged the second war with CR because we want it to. We were waved by Clash Royale, while preparing a second war with CR (with less then 24 hours before our wave on CR). We lost crucial acres (on a bank and on t/m's) in this wave. The wave itself was weird, due to the circumstances presented above. We lost 8k acres in the conflict with both Clash and CR.

And we still beat them in the second war.

P.S. I'm still waiting for the clear evidence of the "30% - solid agreement" between the two kingdoms.