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27-10-2016, 15:23
yuuume

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Originally Posted by citadela01

It is true, one of our guy stole 17k runes in one op.
They used it as an excuse to fully expose 6 rogues from 100 to 20 stealth, and steal milions of gold and runes.

We did not take kindly to it.

Just to clarify, I talked to TBB after the rune stealing happened; I was assured that this was fine and we would continue as is.
27-10-2016, 15:25
maccar86

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Originally Posted by HerpNDerp

Is it purely coincidence that FS decides to hit TBB's elves 7 times the tick that they come out of fort? I mean, if FS was actually trying to war, there would have been more than 7 hits (or *gasp* how about communication???) I can't speak to what TBB did earlier this age. That shouldn't really have any impact on what is happening right NOW. The only reason FS is doing this is to help CR out. El fin.

As it stands, I'm an entirely impartial observer, but the lack of logic and critical reasoning is appalling in this thread.

FS hit out of fort and into fort
27-10-2016, 15:33
HerpNDerp

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Originally Posted by Aelia Capitolina

Is every wave for war begins with more than 7 hits? This is obviously false, many if not most do not. You're not a very competent observer it seems. Hitting into potential enemy UB's seems like a perfectly valid start for a conflict.

You've claimed that there is some special standard for FS, that they make the rules. I have proven that statement false as TBB themselves have acted in a similar manner this age, and were not punished as this action is acceptable. Not because it's FS, but in general, as the same standard was applied to when TBB acted this way.

We agree ;) you have much room to improve your """"impartial"""" observation skills.

I haven't said anything about how 'competent' or 'gudatdisgame' you are, but that is your first line of attack whenever I question your logic? Just because you are using the most circular logic to try and justify ****play doesn't make me incompetent or anything less than impartial. You didn't have any intention of actually warring TBB. You're in it for the free honor and acres since, well, what else do you have to do? You aren't competitive for any crown, so you're deciding to go crap in TBB's cereal. Once again, that's fine and dandy, but stop pretending it's anything else other than what it is.

Edit: Is that so Maccar? Munk shows TBB came out of fort same tick that FS 'gave relations'. Guess you guys went a little early then :/
27-10-2016, 15:43
Goodwitch

I have a really hard time believing CR and FS working together. I have been out of the loop a bit though so I may have missed something.
I can see either one of them profiting of the other but collaboration of just those 2 kingdoms without involvement of third parties seems unlikely to me.
27-10-2016, 16:06
HerpNDerp

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

I have a really hard time believing CR and FS working together. I have been out of the loop a bit though so I may have missed something.
I can see either one of them profiting of the other but collaboration of just those 2 kingdoms without involvement of third parties seems unlikely to me.

I guess it is just pure coincidence then that FS continues to pound down TBB's elves while CR and TBB are moving towards max meter. Maybe it is just bad luck with timing and what not. I suppose it is more plausible that FS is simply feeding on TBB, since TBB can't really fight back. But the amount of ignorant justification in this thread just smells funny.
27-10-2016, 16:07
Elit

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Originally Posted by HerpNDerp

For Elit and Citadela and whatever other people keep trying to explain away the actions of FS is just silly. How long has FS been waving into TBB now? 2 days? It's just free acres with shoddy reasoning to keep doing it. Trash play is trash play, doesn't matter who does it.

You gained unfair advantage from other KD before our second war and its result you won now you losing unfair gained advantage make it a bit more fair to us.

Im not try to explain FS hits, its perfect fine and i full support it. What im try to explain is: your KD refuse deal with CR because you had arranged your gold farming with Sparta. Its made you confident you can win in b2b war when its wont be possible if you used only your kingdom resources. You moved to position you alone never can get and its very unfair and you deserve to be punished for it.
One more note. From what i see in forum you already build your bad relation with FS long ago. They hit you is much result from it too.
27-10-2016, 16:11
Elit

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Originally Posted by HerpNDerp

pretty obvious that CR and TBB were intending to go three rounds ESPECIALLY after CR explored like 15k acres in EOWCF. FS is chart shaping, just like they've always done. It should come as a surprise to literally no one. Still doesn't make your actions any less trash.

Its was CLEAR after first war too and Sparta giving 300 mill gold CHART Shape second war. Reason TDD won was this chart shape. So put all your blame on TDD/Sparta for MAP play in 1vs1 b2b wars.
27-10-2016, 16:13
citadela01

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Originally Posted by HerpNDerp

I guess it is just pure coincidence then that FS continues to pound down TBB's elves while CR and TBB are moving towards max meter. Maybe it is just bad luck with timing and what not. I suppose it is more plausible that FS is simply feeding on TBB, since TBB can't really fight back.

What justification ?
I made it very clear we felt ****played by TBB and we jumped them to pay them back.
They could have fight uphill battle vs us, or roll over and tank a wave or two, and we would be satisfied.

They opted to create double hostile and drag us thru mud about doubling them. Fine, your purogative, dont expect us to be nice though.
We are mean and vindictive.
27-10-2016, 16:19
HerpNDerp

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Originally Posted by Elit

You gained unfair advantage from other KD before our second war and its result you won now you losing unfair gained advantage make it a bit more fair to us.

Who gained an unfair advantage? TBB did? How? By getting gold from Sparta? Elit -- we've already been over this. Nothing about that was unfair. YOU decided that your war win wasn't good enough. YOU decided to pursue a b2b war with TBB right OOW. YOU made the choice to pursue that war after TBB said 'nah' to farming out land and honor to you for nothing in return. And then YOU lost the second war. That is YOUR fault. No one else's.

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Im not try to explain FS hits, its perfect fine and i full support it. What im try to explain is: your KD refuse deal with CR because you had arranged your gold farming with Sparta. Its made you confident you can win in b2b war when its wont be possible if you used only your kingdom resources. You moved to position you alone never can get and its very unfair and you deserve to be punished for it.
One more note. From what i see in forum you already build your bad relation with FS long ago. They hit you is much result from it too.

Of course you think they are fine and you fully support it. FS is doing something that you weren't able to do. If the roles were reversed, I literally cannot even imagine how hard you would be crying on the forums. Your post is the most open admission I think the forums will get that FS is clearly working with TBB to knock TBB down a couple notches and by the looks of it, TBB is knocking CR down several notches as well.

'Unfair' and 'deserve to be punished for it' are the most opinionated and ridiculous things to say Elit. Honestly, it's disappointing to see you say something like that. That just shows you are a sore, sore loser. It's only unfair to you in your f***** up way of viewing this game since things didn't work out like you wanted them to. TBB did nothing 'wrong' according to the previously established non-rules of Utopia. What CR and FS are doing right now is ****play, and everyone knows it.
27-10-2016, 16:23
MyNameIsMatija

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Originally Posted by texn

It's funny how ppl know more about what groups we are in than ourselfs. Wopwop, U n Matija should put on the foil hats.

I wouldn't call it exactly funny, tragicomical at best, actually who am I kidding, it IS funny.
Seriously though I was off your case since citadela finally sent some truth to the matter from your tent, you are a nice guy, so why don't you give it a rest regarding me, if you really want to keep this going I got all day though.
27-10-2016, 16:25
HerpNDerp

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Originally Posted by Elit

Its was CLEAR after first war too and Sparta giving 300 mill gold CHART Shape second war. Reason TDD won was this chart shape. So put all your blame on TDD/Sparta for MAP play in 1vs1 b2b wars.

Clear to who? CR? Once again, that is your fault you decided to b2b them. You could have been ok with taking the war win and moving on. You weren't ok with that. That is your problem. No one else's. This really isn't that hard to understand.

@ Citadela -- Oh NOW you feel like you were ****played by TBB? You could have just waved them once or twice (like you did) and then moved on. It's day two or three now bro, and by the looks of the news, you are still hitting into TBB as recently as last tick? Edit: not last tick...but like 3 ticks..

FS decided to create a double hostile under the most false of pretenses. You are mean and vindictive, thats nice. Good to know. At least you acknowledge your ****play.
27-10-2016, 16:29
Korp

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Originally Posted by HerpNDerp

Clear to who? CR? Once again, that is your fault you decided to b2b them. You could have been ok with taking the war win and moving on. You weren't ok with that. That is your problem. No one else's. This really isn't that hard to understand.

Wiat a minute, its Elit fault that Sparta fed a kingdom 300 million gc? And in all of this why are you so blatantly disregard the giving of the gold as a none issue? (havent read the thread)
27-10-2016, 16:30
Badumpz

So much bs justification going on here to ****playing tactics. Nobody asked CR to immediately wave TBB after they exit eowcf. They could have gave themselves more prep time instead of giving button straight away. Don't blame others for your own mistakes.
27-10-2016, 16:43
handofthrawn

So many new players commenting on this topic. Are they actually new players or just the same guy making new accounts. Because we all know tbb can only win arguments and wars using multis. Lol
27-10-2016, 16:46
LoRD_SaMPuaN

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

So many new players commenting on this topic. Are they actually new players or just the same guy making new accounts. Because we all know tbb can only win arguments and wars using multis. Lol

most likely plenty of multis around and its expected - as tbb monarch is known multi and confirmed to be saved on different ppls phones under different nicks, which is the exact reason he is mostly not contacting other kingdoms himself..
27-10-2016, 16:52
Korp

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

So many new players commenting on this topic. Are they actually new players or just the same guy making new accounts. Because we all know tbb can only win arguments and wars using multis. Lol

We cant all be secret top players that used to win a lot of crowns but refuse at the same to validate any of his claims. :)
27-10-2016, 16:55
octobrev

Learn to use burner phones when you need to use whatsapp etc in your exploits imop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiY_iKSpWLM
27-10-2016, 17:06
Uncle Ed

I remember when I was Monarch in a ghetto kingdom, I used to love to read the top tier threads to get tips and strategies from the best players in the game. I know their are probably a few people from ghetto kingdoms reading this now and wondering what the heck is going on. I will break it down for you.

1) CR and TBB went to war, and CR won.
2) While in CF we asked Sparta to assist us with gold coin to rebuild.
3) CR decided their war win was not enough, and waved us again.
4) We offer CR a CF and they demanded honor and land. We declined.
5) TBB declares within 36 hours of getting button and wins the 2nd war. We chose land bonus to increase gap with CR to avoid 3rd war.
6) CR got upset that they lost 2nd war since they were expecting free acres and honor, or another victory in war against a much weaker opponent.
7) CR has Emeriti hit TBB for 5k acres right out of protection.
8) CR gets aid from their allies to explore 15k acres and prepare for third war with TBB. (over 800mil gc to CR from allies. See? I can make up numbers too)
9) CR's thieves are caught stealing gold, runes, and gathering intel on TBB.
10) Attacks are made by both sides.
11) CR has FS(11mil more NW than TBB) wave TBB while they are in fort.
12) TBB offers CF to FS and tags hostile since 3rd war with CR is imminent.
13) TBB goes aggressive and waves CR giving them the button.
14) Over next 3 days both CR and FS has hit TBB. FS has still not accepted CF and has taken over 15k acres from TBB's top provinces.
15) CR has still not pushed the button. They are continuing to receive aid from their friends while their friends continue to beat down TBB's top provinces.
16) Noone will mess with CR for their dishonorable actions since they are in the MAP.

This is what happens in the Top Tier. The MAP wants to come off as some kind of hero, that Utopian Police so to speak. However, all they are protecting is themselves even when they know their members are wrong. Emeriti and FS should have scolded CR for their actions after our first war, and if they truly are the Utopian Police they should have offered us assistance. I mean, how many times have you heard of a kingdom winning a war, and then waving them again right out of protection and demanding more honor and land? It's a first for me. Instead, Emeriti and FS say we should have just given them our honor and land, and should not have asked for financial aid to rebuild even though they do it all the time. Now they punish us by offering their gold and armies to assist CR after their loss.

Now before you ask why we waved them after the second war, read how the MAP brags about how we "took the bait". Yes, we thought CR was prepared and willing to war for a 3rd time. Their actions showed their intent to war us a third time, and the assistance from the MAP put us in their range. I guess we were wrong. They do not want a war, they want to massacre us and they enlisted the MAP to assist them. If you ever want to join a top tier kingdom, make sure it is part of the MAP, or they will find a reason to hinder your success, no matter how lame that reason is.
27-10-2016, 17:13
Elit

Its really sad to see how ppl in TDD cant understand and accept taking 300 mill gold in b2b war is no different from ask friends to wave KD you are going to war. TDD had zero chances for get ready for his second war. This 300 mill gold gave them win but its result from 2 kingdom resources vs 1. How Bart like to call it MAP play. So its only natural if you play 2 vs 1 to get in return same....Still when FS waved TDD its was 1vs1 till you decide to wave CR back and put yourself in 2vs1.
27-10-2016, 17:29
Meep

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Originally Posted by Uncle Ed

I remember when I was Monarch in a ghetto kingdom, I used to love to read the top tier threads to get tips and strategies from the best players in the game. I know their are probably a few people from ghetto kingdoms reading this now and wondering what the heck is going on. I will break it down for you.

1) CR and TBB went to war, and CR won.
2) While in CF we asked Sparta to assist us with gold coin to rebuild.

Here, you accidentally skipped a part.

This is when Bart, and he's open about this, knowing a round 2 was coming, and being butthurt that he had lost the age, decided that he needed to farm you hundreds of millions of gold to fund your round two war efforts.

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3) CR decided their war win was not enough, and waved us again.
4) We offer CR a CF and they demanded honor and land. We declined.
5) TBB declares within 36 hours of getting button and wins the 2nd war. We chose land bonus to increase gap with CR to avoid 3rd war.
6) CR got upset that they lost 2nd war since they were expecting free acres and honor, or another victory in war against a much weaker opponent.

Oops, you forgot a part again. CR is mad that Bart and TBB decided to ****play them, so we decided to deal with you to disincentivise further ****play in the future

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7) CR has Emeriti hit TBB for 5k acres right out of protection.
8) CR gets aid from their allies to explore 15k acres and prepare for third war with TBB. (over 800mil gc to CR from allies. See? I can make up numbers too)

Except, our 300m number isn't made up, it's what you actually strole.

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9) CR's thieves are caught stealing gold, runes, and gathering intel on TBB.
10) Attacks are made by both sides.
11) CR has FS(11mil more NW than TBB) wave TBB while they are in fort.
12) TBB offers CF to FS and tags hostile since 3rd war with CR is imminent.
13) TBB goes aggressive and waves CR giving them the button.
14) Over next 3 days both CR and FS has hit TBB. FS has still not accepted CF and has taken over 15k acres from TBB's top provinces.
15) CR has still not pushed the button. They are continuing to receive aid from their friends while their friends continue to beat down TBB's top provinces.
16) Noone will mess with CR for their dishonorable actions since they are in the MAP.

This is what happens in the Top Tier. The MAP wants to come off as some kind of hero, that Utopian Police so to speak. However, all they are protecting is themselves even when they know their members are wrong. Emeriti and FS should have scolded CR for their actions after our first war, and if they truly are the Utopian Police they should have offered us assistance. I mean, how many times have you heard of a kingdom winning a war, and then waving them again right out of protection and demanding more honor and land? It's a first for me. Instead, Emeriti and FS say we should have just given them our honor and land, and should not have asked for financial aid to rebuild even though they do it all the time. Now they punish us by offering their gold and armies to assist CR after their loss.

Now before you ask why we waved them after the second war, read how the MAP brags about how we "took the bait". Yes, we thought CR was prepared and willing to war for a 3rd time. Their actions showed their intent to war us a third time, and the assistance from the MAP put us in their range. I guess we were wrong. They do not want a war, they want to massacre us and they enlisted the MAP to assist them. If you ever want to join a top tier kingdom, make sure it is part of the MAP, or they will find a reason to hinder your success, no matter how lame that reason is.

Stop being a little *****.

You lost a war, you decided to ****play to win round 2.

Now you're getting ganged up on to take away the benefits of your ****play.
27-10-2016, 17:39
Loons

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

You might feel the same way, but that's not really how it works. Reality is that if I'd op for "fair" 1v1 conflicts against those KDs I will still suffer from their veiled ****play and lose. Pandas is a prime example, losing many ages simply because they maintained way too high standards and refused to buy land etc.

It's very well saying you're going to play 100% fair and do everything on your own, but if you do so you should simultaneously accept you're never gonna win anything or even compete.

LOL, epic really .... so Bart admits hes not smart enough to even remotely try to win a game, a GAME mind you, without cheating. I honestly wonder what peeps gets out of winning or succeeding in something when its not a result of their own achievements.
27-10-2016, 17:45
LoRD_SaMPuaN

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Originally Posted by Uncle Ed

11) CR has FS(11mil more NW than TBB) wave TBB while they are in fort.

i dont care about your wild imagination in the rest of your post but at least do not pretend to be presenting facts or anything..

FS - 30.5m nw
TBB - 26.5m nw
CR - 23m nw
27-10-2016, 18:03
jacko

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Originally Posted by blizz

The kingdom that got actioned by bishop for using multis to farm war ghettos is whining about "rule breaking"

damn son, thats just rich

This guy gets it ! The level of hypocrisy and cynicism of TBB people is spiraling out of control ... Albeit, their opponents are not saints themselves, but you don't see'em QQ so much in here, like little b*tches ...
27-10-2016, 18:05
Loons

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Originally Posted by citadela01

Its good to hear your RL persona is different from uto one, patronizing aspect aside, that is a good thing.

You give yourself too much credit, as far as player base goes you do far more damage than good imo.

There is no alliance, other than the one you are working so hard on making with Sanctus and satelites. If you can manage to convince people about existence of this new, ugly entity in which known enemies work side by side, than props to you.

You are not looking for a fair shot and even playing field. You are looking for an unfair advantage like so many before you.
I see you as product of your enviroment, you were introduced to the game of cheating and abusing by people who looked to profit on you. You simply spiraled out of control with it.

I understand this may seem as something new and revolutionary to you, but its really not. Its just rehashed case of many people who went down the same pattern of behavior before you, some with remarkable success.

In reality the only thing that makes you pop out from previous "barts" is your desire for spotlight and presence in forums.
Catch22 is that same exposure brings unwanted attention, if you played silent game you could get away with much more, and make much fewer enemies along the way.

In the end I am just sorry you manage to drag other people to your level, like you did with tbb and jesters this age.
Its getting harder for the rest of us to just play normal utopia.

Good evening to you too.

edit:
Ill make a wild guess here.
It intrigues me how you silently introduced MAP phrase as some entity existing in the game, and than expanded it to a phrase MAP Alliance in your last post. What is your motivation for this I wonder ?

I am going to speculate there are talks going on behind curtain about creating alliance of Sparta/Sanctus and some third party kingdoms. Under a premise of needing a leverage to "defend" against this suposed entity.
Just food for thought for random reader.

+ 1
27-10-2016, 18:27
s7ark

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Originally Posted by HerpNDerp

Ive been a part of ~30 wars the past 3 or 4 ages...

You average 7.5-10 wars an age?

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Originally Posted by Uncle Ed

10) Attacks are made by both sides.
11) CR has FS(11mil more NW than TBB) wave TBB while they are in fort.

Now before you ask why we waved them after the second war, read how the MAP brags about how we "took the bait".

10) TBB plundered CR twice. No hits from CR before FS gave relations.
11) was more like 4-5m iirc

who are these MAP you speak of? is there a list so we'll know who not to engage in the future? can you quote the brag so we can clarify with the author?
27-10-2016, 19:43
Proteus

[QUOTE=Uncle Ed;15402287] I remember when I was Monarch in a ghetto kingdom, I used to love to read the top tier threads to get tips and strategies from the best players in the game. I know their are probably a few people from ghetto kingdoms reading this now and wondering what the heck is going on. I will break it down for you.

7) CR has Emeriti hit TBB for 5k acres right out of protection. [\QUOTE]

Wrong here. CR didn't get Emeriti to do anything here. Emeriti's cf with TBB had long since been expired since Y5. TBB reached out for diplomacy after their 2nd war with CR ended and we agreed to cf in exchange for some land (which is consistent with how we have treated every other kd on the server). TBB was not willing to offer land at this time so we hit them after they exited EOWCF. At the time we hit TBB they were not in any kind of hostile or conflict. Their hostile / war with TBB had ended once CR withdrew and EOWCF ended that active conflict. Both kds exited eowcf early and could not interact with each other FOR ANOTHER 6 HOURS at the time we hit TBB and were perfectly within our rights to do so. Just because a kingdom has other plans / goals does not make them immune from being attacked if they are not in an active conflict.
27-10-2016, 20:03
Bart of Sparta

[QUOTE=Proteus;15402300]

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Originally Posted by Uncle Ed

I remember when I was Monarch in a ghetto kingdom, I used to love to read the top tier threads to get tips and strategies from the best players in the game. I know their are probably a few people from ghetto kingdoms reading this now and wondering what the heck is going on. I will break it down for you.

7) CR has Emeriti hit TBB for 5k acres right out of protection. [\QUOTE]

Wrong here. CR didn't get Emeriti to do anything here. Emeriti's cf with TBB had long since been expired since Y5. TBB reached out for diplomacy after their 2nd war with CR ended and we agreed to cf in exchange for some land (which is consistent with how we have treated every other kd on the server). TBB was not willing to offer land at this time so we hit them after they exited EOWCF. At the time we hit TBB they were not in any kind of hostile or conflict. Their hostile / war with TBB had ended once CR withdrew and EOWCF ended that active conflict. Both kds exited eowcf early and could not interact with each other FOR ANOTHER 6 HOURS at the time we hit TBB and were perfectly within our rights to do so. Just because a kingdom has other plans / goals does not make them immune from being attacked if they are not in an active conflict.

Still you signed official terms with Sparta to be honorable in your dealings with TBB, not taking any land of them unless you needed it to crown: "I dont see why we'd have to wave/tax them. we dont need land and it'd just sour relations for the next age" or something along those lines.

We kept our end of the bargain and extended freely with BB, even now offering them a sweet deal for EOA. Im not saying it's a DB (it is not as "honorable" means something different for different peepz) but it does point strongly toward there being a concerted effort.
27-10-2016, 20:12
HerpNDerp

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Originally Posted by s7ark

You average 7.5-10 wars an age?

Yes. And we have won every single one of them (except for maybe one 3 or 4 ages ago..)

I saw someone claiming that TBB are cheaters and multi-accounters. Is there proof of that? I thought that was a bygone time back in the day of the Genesis servers when there were 50k+ accounts here. I mean, calling someone a cheater is pretty big talk. I highly doubt you have any proof of that whatsoever. I would love to see the explanation as to how a kingdom would be able to seed multi accounts into specific kingdoms for specific purposes. That just doesn't make sense, logically speaking, on any level.

@ Octobrev -- we already discussed the fact that kingdoms make gc-for-land deals all the time. That's what TBB and Sparta did for that gold. I've seen values ranging from 50mil to 500mil in this thread alone. I have no clue how much was taken (it appears ~300mil?). The gold really has no effect on this conflict, except for all of the CR homers who are insisting that TBB was playing outside the fair rules of the game (which we already established they weren't). CR didn't need to go after TBB after they won the first war, they chose to and then they lost.

I'm still at a loss to see how any of this warrants TBB getting farmed out by FS, other than FS and CR working together. At this point, it is blatant collusion and entirely disrespectful to everyone else who plays this game to call it anything other than that. A bunch of butthurt grown men used to winning, they get rekt, then get their friends to gang up on the newcomer.
27-10-2016, 20:19
Bart of Sparta

twas 200M
27-10-2016, 20:22
HerpNDerp

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

twas 200M

Straight from the source. Finally, some clarity. It's amusing how hyperbolic some people get when their feelings get hurt ^_^
27-10-2016, 20:23
Nightmare_

Can someone give an objective tl;dr for this?
27-10-2016, 20:33
jacko

"I saw someone claiming that TBB are cheaters and multi-accounters. Is there proof of that? I thought that was a bygone time back in the day of the Genesis servers when there were 50k+ accounts here. I mean, calling someone a cheater is pretty big talk. I highly doubt you have any proof of that whatsoever. I would love to see the explanation as to how a kingdom would be able to seed multi accounts into specific kingdoms for specific purposes. That just doesn't make sense, logically speaking, on any level."

@HerpNDerp :
You saw Bishop taking action against TBB and you say he did that based on no proofs ? 'Cause that would pretty much mean he's a cheat, then. In other words, are you calling him a cheat ? Y or N.

I asked the same basic question to some n00b earlier, he dodged 100% the answer. Why ? Simple. If Bishop in NOT a cheat, then TBB are. There is no other way. So, be kind and answer. Was Bishop a cheat or not, punishing TBB by erasing ww obtained by using multi's ?

PS : You need proofs and explanations of why Bishop punished them ? PM him, persuade him to show you the proofs and make him explain to you. Then come back here and enlighten us all, pls.
27-10-2016, 20:37
sarcasm

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

So many new players commenting on this topic. Are they actually new players or just the same guy making new accounts. Because we all know tbb can only win arguments and wars using multis. Lol

lol, if I could plant multis in any kd i want to sabotage any time i want from within just to win a war, that would be very awesome actually. however reality isn't something you just simply pick at the back of your brain.

there's no to arguments to be won here, all that replies here are mostly from 3-4 KD who knows what really happens in the game playing lawyers, politician, historian and archeologist that can amazingly dig up stories from 3 ages ago but failed miserably at it.

I'm just here to see how far are the fabricated lies straying away from the the actual event to have a good laugh, some of you are really good entertainers and i give you praise where its due, well there are some who are rather disappointing. I would expect some of you would be good at it if you spend so much time in this forum and with hundreds and thousands of posts.
27-10-2016, 20:40
sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Nightmare_

Can someone give an objective tl;dr for this?

3-4 KD who knows what really happens in the game playing lawyers, politician, historian and archeologist in a forum people don't care unless they are directly involved.
27-10-2016, 20:42
Nightmare_

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Originally Posted by sarcasm

3-4 KD who knows what really happens in the game playing lawyers, politician, historian and archeologist in a forum people don't care unless they are directly involved.

What old bones from the past have they dug up this time
27-10-2016, 20:54
Persain

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Originally Posted by HerpNDerp

I saw someone claiming that TBB are cheaters and multi-accounters. Is there proof of that?

yes.... they went from 4/4->0/0 that means bishop found proof of it and removed the war wins.

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Originally Posted by Nightmare_

Can someone give an objective tl;dr for this?

1. Bunnies (also known as The blood brothers or TBB)were honor farming lots of kds all age. (also had 4 war wins removed for cheating)
2. Eventually they ended up waring CR who was #1? honor at the time.
3. CR won, but TBB ended up WAY down in honor/land
4. During eowcf+just after ewocf TBB took a few hundred million gc off a friend to "recoup"
5. CR waved for war #2 to recoup lost land/honor (since no cf was/could be arranged)
6. CR lost 2nd war directly due to gc steal
7. Post war #2 ????? tbb geting semi gb'ed

#4 involves lots of talk but boils down to tbb were given gc directly so they could b2b cr and win
#7 also involves lot of accusations such as organized gb'ed, but what it looks like is tbb owed kds land, got waved for war, and tried to dodge it which pissed off everyone and are now reaping that dodge.
27-10-2016, 21:01
sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Nightmare_

What old bones from the past have they dug up this time

this one

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Originally Posted by citadela01

When you ask so nice, sure.

To adress MAP, if we had such agreement with CR they would ask for help after aTBB got farmed gold by you guys.
And we would help.
This did not happen, so entire map angle is moot.

As to why we engaged TBB, and why we kept hitting them.
They dealbroke us twice in last 3 ages.
One of those db's lead to canceling arranged war we preped for for 10 days, and fully drafted and trained for.
Other time they jerked francis arround for weeks, and in the end we didnt get land we were promised in exchange for eoa cf they got from us.

We carry a grudge, but rather than to make a big fuss over it in forums, we opted to jump and rape them when oportunity presented itself.
We tend to pay back every ****play in this exactly same way whenever possible, you should know, your curent kd's chances to crown went down the drain exactly the same way this age. Because they db us when we whored.

Everything else happening with tbb waving cr since is just dodge in my eyes.
They initiated conflict with cr, not the other way arround.
I think they are just playing martyr trying to run from us, and we are not respecting it.
Why should we ? They just did massive ****play to cr to win that second war, and now they keep pounding them more just to run from us and not get gutted.
Bart coming here with stories how ****played others in the past makes no difference to me.
Two wrongs dont make right.

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Originally Posted by Paradise

1. I vaguely remember there was a thread about this "almost" war. Was it FS who broke deal first? Deal was something like no op no spells before X date, but one of FS's prov did. How could you hold grudge and blame entire thing on them? And I think they also spent as much time as you to prep for that war. So you're saying your time is more precious than theirs?

2 . For the 2nd war with CR, one of the member from TBB mentioned it was CR who waved and initiated the conflict, "not the other way around" and the gcs was mostly funded during eowcf for their rebuilding, then why was it TBB's fault again? Was it a CR's mistake?

3. From news, CR retaliated hard, and no news saying TBB hit FS back, so it's clearly a TBB-CR hostile. (not sure if they op/spell FS though)

4. They may make mistake by waving CR without closing relations with you, but your justifications to keep waving them looks just like excuses to take advantage of the situation, or there might be another motivation which you don't want to reveal.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

It is true, one of our guy stole 17k runes in one op.
They used it as an excuse to fully expose 6 rogues from 100 to 20 stealth, and steal milions of gold and runes.

We did not take kindly to it.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

I know mistakes happen, it's hard to control all players all the time bla bla bla

BUT

a deal break is a deal break, whether it's 17k runes or 1gc or a million.
If you make a deal you are bound to it. if you break it, you can't complain about whatever the other kingdom wants to dish out. and you can definitely not use it as justification later on for dirty moves... oh wait, you can because...nevermind you thoroughly established there is no such thing as alliances in the top.
27-10-2016, 21:32
citadela01

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Still you signed official terms with Sparta to be honorable in your dealings with TBB

Why is Sparta including TBB in their CF deal ?
Such actions are usually reserved for alliance members, unless there is VERY good reason to do so for independant kingdom.
27-10-2016, 21:37
Proteus

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Still you signed official terms with Sparta to be honorable in your dealings with TBB, not taking any land of them unless you needed it to crown: "I dont see why we'd have to wave/tax them. we dont need land and it'd just sour relations for the next age" or something along those lines.

We kept our end of the bargain and extended freely with BB, even now offering them a sweet deal for EOA. Im not saying it's a DB (it is not as "honorable" means something different for different peepz) but it does point strongly toward there being a concerted effort.

Honorable means playing 1v1 fair and clean and no cheating.

Waving a kingdom that's not hostile 1v1 is the very definition of honorable. Honorable does not imply giving people a free pass.

Also bro you shouldn't be talking to me about being honorable....
27-10-2016, 21:42
Retard`

people asked me to edit the post so I did

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