Would you Emeriti people *****in as much if WSK won the war? :))Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
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Would you Emeriti people *****in as much if WSK won the war? :))Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
You were supposed to just not get waved. God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Apparently by fighting back and winning the war and re-engaging WSK so they don't get to run off to whore and fight emeriti with a cow advantage, we've done something worse than if we had withdrawn when propro declared we had lost the war and implied we were intentionally farming out, leaving them even bigger than they are now with 2 weeks to whore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I do think it's worth noting, stupid deal aside, that I absolutely expect that had we withdrawn, WSk would be butthurt and demanding their 25-30% acres and accusing us of dealbreaking them.
Did WSK has a deal to farmout to Emeriti and thats why they so pissed about WSK deal with CR? :(
nope. straight up yrX+y notice with both
Binnie the Pooh doesn't make deals like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp
For what its worth, and I'll admit, I am not always privy to some of the things going on in terms of negotiations, but this is the first I have ever heard of this 25-30% acre thing. Even when things were looking decent for us, when we started piling on some cow acres did anyone mention the possibility of another 25%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep
Again, that is just from a random, login, do this, kind of guy.
I mean, your LS doesn't pretend the deal didn't exist, they just pretend that this first war wasn't actually a war, just a battle, and that the winner is still TBD to get those acres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximo
Of course, the deal is stupid, and if (when :p ) we win round 2 I don't plan on trying to collect them.
?? As I understand CR has no deal with BB but you get any land CR takes from them, so they can't fight? Have I been told something wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Re: BB, my understanding of deal is different. Why should you be able to prevent anyone else from noticing them and gaining land?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Re: the rest, you're wrong. I was referring to taking land post war, not in war. I'm not playing, so I get to just be amused by all the drama, but OK :)
you are creating the drama. and we never told anyone they couldnt gain acres from BB or anyone else for that matter.
get updated and/or stop lying.
Why do you think CR has an EOA with BB?Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
i never said anything about any of your cf deals. ohh i now see proteus did. but he doesnt know :p
Here I assumed ProPro was in charge of emeriti's diplo department due to his gregarious nature and would know the nature of all top diplo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
I might be confusing the Bb deal terms. IMy role in kd is strategy and wars, not diplo so I might have misspoke.
Zauper the only way to collect extra land as you initially pointed out was in war which is against rules. To do it post war you'd both need to exit early or do on after 72h after which you get noticed immediately and get owned by us
All you Emereti guys go make your own thread :P This is now the WSK vs CR round #2 extension of the previous topic WSK vs CR. SO scared about acres and feeling owed things don't worry I don't think anybody cares in this ERA of Utopia about crowns etc.
Crowns from this era are a place to hang the pictures of the fat chick your friend banged at the party, not for any serious use or too be talked highly about anyways :P Take a chill pill man you guys have this in the bag! :D
No, that's actually not what I said. I never said you'd collect it in war. I said if you look at the rate a fae can produce GC in a 72h eow you'd see that they could hit for 30% land on oow and still have the cash to train deep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Also can't exit early to take it as eowcf is binding for 72h even if both kds exit, unless one wars another kd and enters a second eowcf in which case they can one way hit/op the other kd from the first eowcf, which is clearly bug abuse (but so niche it would probably never be fixed)
Zaup just dropped a knowledge bomb on propro
And there would still be a substantial military disadvantage where they land would not help and the outcome would be the same, no crown for CR. Also what's wrong with that, you guys like bug abuse and have used it historically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
I think giving someone extra acres after a conflict to help that kingdom compete vs someone else is farming / chart shaping. I would never make such a deal myself. I personally like to win my acres by fighting for it and owning my enemies rather than arranged farming. And ya I overlooked the binding lockout for 72h. To me it sounded like you would take it in war (you don't wave a kd for 30% their land OOW with gbp) and then pump in eow cf on it.
Is that all you got no crown for you Proteus? Is that like supposed to hurt our feelings? Did you miss the part about the fat chicks etc + crown /era?
Heck start a thread now about the almighty 3 peat and give yourself a pat on the back, but post in that thread from now on lol.
Heck here you /CP pats Proteus on the back... lol
While that deal was pretty stupid, its not worse than taxing for land which is something emeriti regularly do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
I'd argue ethically taxing is way worse, yet its common practice.
So is WSK giving up 30% of their acres to CR as per stated in the so called deal before their war? That is a lot. 0.3*139,436 =41830
But that still will put CR around 25k acres behind Emeriti (not including explore pool).
But imagine if the acres are all put on CR 7k-10k provinces, they will have like 10 super strong calves, should be able to overrun emeriti cow @20k, 18k, 17k, 16k
What a pity, because WSK owned the 2 biggest cows in server now.
If you do a post search for me you will see what I think of crowns in this era. the last competitive era of utopia ended when Abs retired from the game, every crown won since then has not been as competitive as before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Pete
I came back to the game to play with old friends, I was retired for a few years and Binar had invited me back to play so I decided to join. My reasons for playing are really 1) play with friends, 2) beat up on people I don't like and talk smack to them. I've "been there and done that" as far as leading a top kd (as the monarch, not a council person unlike some of the cocky guys in CR) and winning crowns goes so I don't really care.
I do know that CR decided to try to try this age after an age of relaxing to prevent us from winning again so it gives me extra pleasure to talk smack to the ego heads in there. Got nothing against you personally CP, take it easy man.
CR actually started the taxing thing, if one kingdom does it, the others who are CFed do it to keep up and not fall behind. When Emeriti has taken acres for cf it has been in lieu of a fight as the other kingdom prefers to not have their time & resources wasted and their military kill so would rather give up some land to CF / EOA cf rather than losing more land in a conflict. Taking acres for cf is something everyone does but CR has been more blatant / arrogant in their taxing and has demanded more acres from its victims (i.e. 25% of land) in addition to asking for clauses such as "you must give us 1.5x what you give our opponents".Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
On the other hand, the only two instances I have ever seen of deals such as "loser must give winner and extra X% of land so winner can have a chance to fight X kd of crown" has been this age with this deal and between FS and The U 2 ages ago when FS beat the U handily in war and gained a lot and demanded that the U give acres on top to FS as the U had owned Emeriti acres for a prior deal (Emeriti cf'ed the U and let them war kd of their choice instead of noticing and fighting them in exchange for 7.5k land). I think these deals are really lame and on the same level as organized farming.
I dont believe this is happening. Had CR attempted it, they would still end up farmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticeLeague
It was Pyro. They just didn't call it taxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Just 2 kids running wild, but the rest of you ruined it. Is it a crime that kingdoms from different sides of the street fall in love?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Pyro filled the empty acres in those war kingdoms lives.
I've also decided to play with a few freinds this age I was in a ghetto for a year or so and a couple of guys asked me to join so I did. I was a little surprised that Zauper wasn't there but I enjoy the social aspect of the game and I think that's a common theme for most of the older players around.
I actually though Emereti was on island five and tripled them OOP, and a couple more hits :p I tried to teach the ghetto KD I played about taking pot shots at top kingdoms and how to discourage farming and taxation when they were vulnerable so I feel as though the last year was my portion of trying to improve the game for the little guys. They were a great bunch of guys who I only ever heard of one guy but became friends with the rest. When I get sick of the political position of the game I'll probably return to play with them again.
There has always been and always will be taxation of acres in the game whether it's a set amount of acres or the percent of land a kingdom has it's just part of the game. its up to the kingdoms that are targeted to decide if the timing is right to tell these kingdoms to piss off.
what's really impressive and all anyone will remember from this war is that coss basically took a mediocre ghetto and with his leadership out maneuvered, out performed and gained on your larger so called super kd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
Bold, bold statements
I'll still remember the 3v4 bank battle where Godly beat Coss and Sleepy. This bank battle was far less surprising than that one. No offense to the people in CR but they aren't the super kingdom that they used to be. Without the Holy Trinity + Zaup & Wuzi, are they really even CR anymore? Seems more like TFC ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunch
They modernized it for lack of a better word but they did not create it. You give cj and nesta waaaaaay too much credit. They were the new kids on the block and couldn't get the kind of back room deals the established kingdoms were getting so they opened it up to the world in order to compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
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Originally Posted by CR7
Even with my differences with a couple of current Emeriti leaders, I know for a fact that NONE of the current leadership will support any sort of cheating that someone like you is claiming.Quote:
Originally Posted by CR7
Fact Correction Boi!! - It was me who got your name as a suggestion and asked Binar to get in touch with you! So technically you are in Emeriti cos of me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
So you deny force-taking another 12K (bank) land after your war with BB last age to beat us and win the age?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
Based on my past interactions with the people I know of in emeroti leadership I agree. Absent more significant proof I wish this accusation would die. A lot of heresay going around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judge
I see lots of talks about 30% land etc, we should give CR, or at least they think they deserve. I'll clear that out from our point of view. Since year 4 CR kept insisting on putting a clause into war where if the winner has chances against Emeriti to get a certain percentage of land from loser of the war so it has a chance against emeriti. I don't know where the 30% percentage come now but I only remember 20%. On top of it we NEVER agreed to something like this. What we told them(and i told CRS also) was that we see after war how situation looks like and if the winner kd has a chance against Emeriti to take some land from loser to be in war range with Emeriti. I even told Dubai that if the winner kd is already in range they shouldn;t take land more than to be a fair fight. He was not happy with it, he wanted something like 40k land over Emeriti so they "make sure is not Emeriti that wins the age". Not sure what they want now but there is a B2B coming soon because there clearly is no CLEAR WINNER of the war and both kds still have chances to go vs Emeriti after another war(or maybe 2?).
And to clear things out ... Dubai, why don;t you just say here what you told me when I came and ask you to WD from war and stop ruining both kds chances to go against Emeriti? NVM ... I'll do it for you:
Dubay: you didn't want to make it an official deal. we would've given you 100k
After we wd, he came to me in seconds and said:
[01:09, 2/7/2017] Dubay: well played
[01:09, 2/7/2017]*Dubay:*see you on the b2b !
So no idea why Topsy is being Topsy and Zauper is being Zauper but the guy that actually been in talks with us knew there was no official deal for any percentage of land for the winner but we only had talks about it and agreed if the winner has a shot at Emeriti the loser would give some land to be in war range.
Now I hope all is clear and the trolls from CR can go back to war preparation and stop spreading lies around.
PS: Tipsy beware whom you make threats on you s**er. If you insist we can come after your lousy a$$es next age also. So stop doing subtle threats to Crs about "conflict can extend to further ages". Sure ... you REALLY want it to happen? We're going to be stronger next age with more Sleepy players coming back.
So b2b?
Confirmed?
Don't knock it till you try it ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
So you are saying some random person would spam F5 on a province profile to help you in your fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
We all know that if the database gets busy, it causes oops (OOP perfect example). Any interaction with the server creates load. If you spam a province with spells/ops, you frequently get oops. However, the bug is/was that refreshing a province profile will do the same as an op: it sends a request to the database. Spamming it creates similarities to what happens OOP.
Thinking about it, makes it make sense. A kingdom page isn't updated live, province profiles are. Being a coder/programmer, making a script to refresh province profiles, is fairly easy. Technically anyone who can code a bit can make that in a few minutes.
I have heard of players from different kingdoms complaining that there is a vast increase in oops messages while fighting Emeriti. If you don't know about it personally, please do realize you have a cheater in your kingdom who either has (a) friend(s) doing this for him or doing it himself.
First of all many many thanks that now every tom dick and harry knows about this :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CR7
Secondly our kingdom (PI) suffered the same oops attacks in our war against BB! Yes I get your point, Binar was doing it! Way to go!!