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L2Play. Under these changes, faery is the dominant crowning choice.Quote:
Then kindly explain to me how Faeries are OP jss. Because not one person has been able to do so.
You play your TMs as merchants, with no attackers. Your opinion is invalid.Quote:
That doesn't mean what I say is wrong though. TMs are bad.
I agree with my full heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Snowstorm
having a race who is UB is not a good thing elf and halfer is still breakable while faery is not.... faery can do massive damage to an atacker with both of their t/m power... and now their - pop is remove thus makjng their economic/ def power raise astronomically... while attacker (orc/ud) is not getting any buff (orc leets def reduce).... all i want to say is why don't you look on ranking page?? compare those of faery and any other races... bring all the number... land, nw, honour.... show us the average result...i know that the dev's want to keep t/m role and i appreciate it but make it so that every race is normal (they can be brought down equally by attack or t/m ops) don't make a race that is super ub both in def and t/m.... if a whole kd need to work on single prov (faery) in a gheeto war then this race is super imba.... if you did not want to change to anything about this race then we can see all age is not fair/on equal ground.... attacker must wake in the middle of the night to keep attacking while their honor/land/nw is not safe at all eventough he works so hard to keep them.... while faery can sit safely with super minimum activity.....i'm in a ghetto kd and fighting faery who is ub always give me a headache those faery can reduce my econ+def spec in just 1 day even though i have enough (attacker normal) wpa/tpa + 10-15 % WT...... this WT only delay a few hours.... when this faery doing propaganda/converting my wizz/thievery then that is the time my land+honor reset back to the beginning of age.... please nerf those faery so that they are still playable but still breakable (example + 50% of land gain when conquesting a faery, or raise WT % to catch thievery op you can give back those -3 generals)
Why are people still discussing the Faery thing? Just reduce the WPA/TPA boost from +30% to +25% WPA/TPA (half what Elf and Halfling is) then also change the -3 general penalty to -15% honor bonus. This will balance Faery provinces with the rest of the races while not destroying the Faery race. This is all that will be needed.
I love the defensive horse idea. Should be interesting :)
No final changes yet? No substantive changes coming this late I hope.
LOL! A race that can't multitap is not the dominate crowning race. Sorry. That in no way presented any kind of an argument explaining why Faery is OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Snowstorm
Must be doing something right. #5 in nw, #6 in land with an "impossibly bad" setup, with a pretty inactive kd, and with a semi-active top-noob monarch who had to figure it out along the way. Seems my opinion is worth at least something.
Usually the final changes are out by now. I was really hoping to see them this morning as I enjoy reading the comments on them. Im not complaining, just a little disappointed.
I did not present any argument, I did not intend to. I am just stating fact. Feel free to ask some reputable strategists what they think of it, or, you know, L2Play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
I was unaware that being #5 nw and #6 for land was an accomplishment.
It is for us. Everyone who was anyone told me that TFC was going to crash and burn and that everyone who was even capable of producing thoughts were going to farm us out asap. Finishing 5/6 is pretty awesome considering the circumstances.
But no. You want to make the claim, either put up an argument or gtfo?
Faeries
+ 30% Spell Damage (Instant Spells)
+ 20% Sabotage damage*
+ 30% WPA and TPA
- 3 generals
Access to All Racial Spells
Elite: 3/6, 800gc, 6NW
There's my argument, if you want a general lesson on strategy, there are plenty of people qualified to give it, I'm not going to try to teach you how to play the game for crowns in a suggestion thread.
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LOL! A race that can't multitap is not the dominate crowning race.
L2Play
Agreed. No point teaching someone who will never understand. Just a waste of effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Snowstorm
I'll be surprised if Faery won't be penalized with something in the final changes (e.g. reduced pop and/or reduced elite value).
how are you going to win a war against a competent kingdom if you can't send out more than one general? just max gain?
Fae's multi tapping.Quote:
Originally Posted by lastunicorn
AM I MISSING SOMETHING?
If you try to compete with a core of Faeries against a core of Avains, you're going to get blown out of the water. But hey, if you want to come back to utopia only have a fail age, be my guest.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Snowstorm
Yes, I get that Faeries have full pop, ToG, ect ect. I've never said they're a BAD race but they are by no means overpowered.
@baka - lol. Everything I would like to say is against forum rules and that would reflect poorly on myself as a mod. That said, you guys did a great job making sure Rage didn't crown this age like you vowed to do. Have you guys thanked Simians publicly yet?
This faery discussion is sorta funny. There isnt a problem breaking faeries and once broken they go down like a collapsing building. The issue seems to be is it worth the trouble? Well that is the sort of tactical decision that makes the game interesting isn't it? Don't like spells or thief ops on you? then get some defense against it. If you play orc with 0.5 wpa and 1 tpa dont come crying why some tm beats the snot out of you get some defense. A kd with 6 faeries has given up 6 attackers to get that. Dont whine about it, exploit it.
lol Palem.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by AlphaWaveCascade
Prove me wrong?
happily. have the devs leave the changes as is.
here's a possible suggestion:
Faeries
+ 45% Sabotage damage*
+ 45% Spell Damage (Instant Spells)
- 25% bonuses from honor
Access to All Racial Spells
Elite: 3/6, 800gc, 6NW
Humans
+5% Population
+ 30% WPA and TPA
+ 1 Offense specialist strength
Tree of Gold, Fountain of Knowledge, Chastity
Elite: 4/4, 600gc, 4NW
-Trade war spoils for chastity between humans and undead
switched the tm bonuses of human and fae. fae tm looks a little more balanced like this since they'll get an effective amount of tpa/ wpa if they go tm anyway, but reduced to an amount closer to other races with the honor penalty. This way humans and fae can both go TM or hybrid effectively.
That's not really under my control.
Nor is that really what I meant.
Impossible to learn when people refuse to teach =\
Natebane, that human of yours is waaayy too amazing.
maybe drop the pop bonus?
No. You don't know how important WPA/TPA mods are. They're not a substitute for a damage mod... That makes humans ridiculously overpowered and faeries worthless. Just compare what you've given to faeries to Undead. The +damage mods are (mostly) for flavor, though circumstantially nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by natebane
+ 30% Land Gain
+ 20% Enemy Casualties*
+ 30% opa
+3 generals
Conquest Anytime, Any NW
Elite: 6/3, 800gc, 6NW
trollolololol
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Originally Posted by tiggis
Faeries
+ 25% Sabotage damage* and Spell Damage (Instant Spells)
+ 15% wpa/tpa
- 33% bonuses from honor
Access to All Racial Spells
Elite: 3/6, 800gc, 6NW
Humans
+ 25% WPA and TPA
+ 1 Offense specialist strength
Tree of Gold, Fountain of Knowledge, Chastity
Elite: 3/4, 550gc, 4NW
how about this? faerys will still be good early, but won't scale out of control with honor, and still gives them option to play attacker as well.
no pop bonus for humans, a drop in elite power, and slightly lower tm mods. they need a powerful spell like chastity to make them more appealing as a TM, but they won't be as 'unbreakable' as faery.
these look like fair tradeoffs, no?
no offence to anyones ideas but.....
MAKE CHANGES FINAL FAST!!!
So i dont have to read this non-sense anymore! and ofc i could not read if i didnt want to but, my goodness, sometimes its hard not too not post after you see some things sometimes.
Yeah....it has been way too long and the age ends very soon. We need to know what the final changes are to plan for next age. Why the heavy silence??
I remember a time when their was no input asked from or taken from players, the changes also came out when the new age started. I also remember a time when there was no round 1 or round 2 of changes, it went Here are the changes and we hope you like them.
Now they give a chance for us to feedback, and this is all because of Bishop. Get off his back so we can continue to have these great opportunities.
yeah this is soo true!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lmtdconv92
although, the final changes are usually up by now. It just adds more fun to it, going into the age blind!! muahahah >=D
You'll have the changes tomorrow folks.
Extend freezetime or age.
The game wasn't so poorly managed back in the days.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmtdconv92
Impossible to teach someone unable to learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
You have to be joking, that's some serious rose colored glasses you are wearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by baka
25 faery warriors?Quote:
Originally Posted by baka
aww, that was a cute attempt at an insult baka.
Where in the top teachings does it say that NM is less effective on elites and that you shouldn't run a large elf core if your plan is FSU against a large human core kds?
I don't mind late finalization of the changes as long as there aren't any important new changes. Just don't spring anything much new on us at the last minute.