Simians Vs Sanc, HoH or Rage

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23-07-2012, 02:46
TheRock

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Originally Posted by Drixx

It's nice to see that, like Simians, the complex web of diplomacy and courtesy in this game continues to evolve.

Statistically, two of the three kingdoms involved in this issue feel it was handled fairly.
23-07-2012, 02:48
jdorje

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Originally Posted by Evillone

The NAP system that the top has worked out is obviously broken. they should just throw it out all together. No NAPS no one can dice, if you cant dice you have to be war ready at all times, if you are war ready at all times sillycats cant steal GC you are saving up for pump, if sillycats cant steal GC they dont piss BIO off and if they dont piss BIO off simians is not left in a 3v1 with ABS. pro logic FTW!

Then we can all feed on ghettos all age, and whoever wars will still fall behind. Oh wait, that was already tried one age. Turns out separation is a good thing.
23-07-2012, 02:49
Meeni

Ya all should get together and write a manifesto on mutually agreed upon hostility rules
23-07-2012, 03:25
flogger

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Originally Posted by jdorje

The big winner here, of course, is rage.

As you know I agree with your general complaint of what you're alluding to, but unless HoH misplays it they have won the age as a result of this war and looking at the current NWranges/setups. Wars aren't always mutually destructive towards growth once kingdoms get over 150k acres. If you have more offense, faster attack time, and better gains science, you can hit and run for quite alot of acres at that size, when generally topfeeding. Especially when wave 1 was fort vs non-fort.
23-07-2012, 03:28
Talaren

Separation is a great thing, but maybe a little tweak to KDRNW gains, lengthier EoW CF (6 days imo) but immunity to going fort/aggy while in the EoW CF (for the max protect fort OoW), raise the RNW gains/losses/fails/successes on ops OoW but lower them in war, and make the war+dragon range a bit larger would still be nice, outside of just separation. I think the relations system in general could use a tweak but I haven't put much thought of how, I think it all leans way too heavily in favor of small KDs atm, at least OoW.
23-07-2012, 03:45
Koodo

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Statistically, two of the three kingdoms involved in this issue feel it was handled fairly.

The 2 being absalom ofc. If you asked any HoH player if they think that Sanctuary taking HoH's acres and running for the hills with a free wave was fair I don't think they would agree. Sure the bank hits were fair, but I imagine those acres that Sanctuary took should have went to HoH.

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Dude don't go ruin our gains....let us have our fun with the monkeys. :P

This HoH guy seems to agree. Maybe Sanctuary should cancel that cf and bend over a wave to pay back them acres after WWD? Since farming out to your friends has been found conclusively within the rules as previous discussions claim in the Simians thread started by the HoH guy, then right after let Simians have at them and then were all squared up on all sides.
23-07-2012, 04:17
Orin

its a suicidal act by simians
they stand a chance to crown but now no longer
23-07-2012, 04:50
munk

lol... Everyone seems to have been lame to some extent :) hi2all from honeymoon! Thx for some entertainment :)
23-07-2012, 05:26
protector

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

I already did state my thoughts on this. Simians was first lame to notice Sanc and then to dodge them by quickly waving another kingdom *after* Sanc already sent them a dragon and hit their cow and said they'd full wave as soon as simians left fortified. This lame behavior put Sanc in position to either be nice guys and give up the fight they initiated after being noticed, thus screwing themselves, or responding to lameness with more lameness and continuing the fight. Sanc was lame back and continued the fight despite Simians attempts to dodge it by waving another kingdom after Sanc initiated a fight first.

Quick? They had more than an entire tick. Sanc hit on 1st, Simians waved on 2nd. Sanc had no ****ing right to do anything. Sanc didn't have the balls to wave into fortified.
(And yes, I think it's dumb to notice multiple kd's at same time, this doesn't justify what Sanc is doing tho)

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

This has happened before. In the times I can recall, I basically told the Abs kingdom that they were idiots for trying to dodge a fight by waving another kingdom when another one was already starting a fight with them. No retribution occurred. I'm pretty sure your former kingdom was once the waving kingdom that an Abs kingdom tried unsuccessfully to dodge but your kingdom just full waved them anyway and was not punished for it. In addition, I already pasted how last age when Inso was waving Rage while Rage was waving BIO that Rage stopped hits on BIO and fought Inso instead. This is exactly what I said I advocate and is not hypocritical. BTW, how's your current 2v1 or 3v1 or whatever going? Hypocrite.

Again, can you be more specific? I can't recall having participated in it myself other than a few ages ago in the trio Pulse/Sanc/Inso.
You starting to hit Bio last age could be considered of the same thing as what Simians does now. You saw we where well prepared; we knew a notice would come so we had sufficient gold stacks for it.

Afaik the stuff with inso/bio/cats has already expanded with jerks so seems 2v2 now :P (for a couple of days already)
And I have already told you I disagreed with the actions that happened here, so I don't see why you bring this up again? Want me to repeat it or what? Or are you just going to repeat that question everytime Absalom does something dodgy to try and distract from Abs?
23-07-2012, 05:50
Drixx

@prot - I was co-monarching the kd which ASF is referring to. We had a wave planned against a smaller kd (expecting a free wave out of them) and then you gave notice. We waved on schedule and then you waved us a tick or two later. The smaller kd retal'd only with ops and I believe the claim at the time from you was that since they didn't retal it wasn't a hostile and we had tried to "run" from your hostile. As ASF pointed out, he advised us to simply face you guys but we were kind of annoyed that you interrupted our planned wave and didn't think you would mind waiting 12 hours. As it turns out, we should have listened to ASF.
23-07-2012, 06:05
Elit

AquaSeaFoam, situation is same lets explain you better:
Rage=Simians
Sanctuary=BIO
HoH=Dreams

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

Rage dragoned and hit Dreams.

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Originally Posted by jdorje

* Breaking cf and sending a dragon also did not make us hostile with them. This was an even bigger hint though.
* Hitting their cow, also did not make us hostile. By this time I hope the hint was pretty clear.

Rage send 1 dragon and did 2 hits. How you see Dorje definition its dont make both kds in hostile, just show one kd intend to war second. You got my reply there wont be war. Its mean if you wave us we will go in fwr.

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Originally Posted by jdorje

* After they left fortified and did seven (7) hits on hoh, we began our wave, as I told them we would.

Bio hit rage with all army home when both kds didunt had hits for 24h. Sanc did clasick double hostile with waving kd who just send his army out. If you call bio **** play what is sanc?

Rage decide to ignore BIO 7 hits and full wave Dreams, Simians decide to ignore sanc dragon+cow hit, and attack hoh. Both kds put herself in situation 2vs1. Only difference is rage had huge advantage over both kds and Simians don't have. So what they did was mistake and what did rage was strategy correct. Other difference is change in game play and no more Fwrs. So Hoh didn't gave free wave and they are in war now with Simians and Dreams didn't gave free wave and retaled rage from his FWr. ASF was perfect aware we will go in FWr and retal. You know it well but still decide to wave, and there was only 1 kd in our range for Fwr= bio. Nor dreams or hoh are guilty for simians/rage decision. They don't have reason to gave free land.
If we compare BIO and Sanc its clear who did more "**** play" too.

P.S. Compare can be so hard for you ASF so lets give you hint too. Sanc got free hit on Simians cow. They don't really loss any from let simians go war 1vs1 with hoh, but still decide to wave Simains right after they launch wave on hoh. This put Simians in very bad situation. Was clear hoh wont give free wave and now Sanc got Free wave+ cow grab!. Bio wave rage with army home when was clear Dreams wont hit rage if you start hostile/war. Rage had choice to keep it 1vs1 and cf Dreams or Bio or simple retal bio 1vs1. Simains didn't had choice to stay in 1vs1. So its how work your ABS logic for fair play.
23-07-2012, 06:13
flogger

flogger just says you're all lame and I'm not
23-07-2012, 06:38
DDodge

i think imma top feed some of these lame skds next age
23-07-2012, 06:46
IVC

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Originally Posted by flogger

flogger just says you're all lame and I'm not

dude?! u are less lame than inso yes. completely not lame... hm. raze wars are lame :p

btw prot i believe OS is also razing us right now :)
23-07-2012, 06:47
Mal

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Originally Posted by Elitbg

AquaSeaFoam, situation is same lets explain you better:
Rage=Simians
Sanctuary=BIO
HoH=Dreams

Rage send 1 dragon and did 2 hits. How you see Dorje definition its dont make both kds in hostile, just show one kd intend to war second. You got my reply there wont be war. Its mean if you wave us we will go in fwr.

Bio hit rage with all army home when both kds didunt had hits for 24h. Sanc did clasick double hostile with waving kd who just send his army out. If you call bio **** play what is sanc?

Rage decide to ignore BIO 7 hits and full wave Dreams, Simians decide to ignore sanc dragon+cow hit, and attack hoh. Both kds put herself in situation 2vs1. Only difference is rage had huge advantage over both kds and Simians don't have. So what they did was mistake and what did rage was strategy correct. Other difference is change in game play and no more Fwrs. So Hoh didn't gave free wave and they are in war now with Simians and Dreams didn't gave free wave and retaled rage from his FWr. ASF was perfect aware we will go in FWr and retal. You know it well but still decide to wave, and there was only 1 kd in our range for Fwr= bio. Nor dreams or hoh are guilty for simians/rage decision. They don't have reason to gave free land.
If we compare BIO and Sanc its clear who did more "**** play" too.

P.S. Compare can be so hard for you ASF so lets give you hint too. Sanc got free hit on Simians cow. They don't really loss any from let simians go war 1vs1 with hoh, but still decide to wave Simains right after they launch wave on hoh. This put Simians in very bad situation. Was clear hoh wont give free wave and now Sanc got Free wave+ cow grab!. Bio wave rage with army home when was clear Dreams wont hit rage if you start hostile/war. Rage had choice to keep it 1vs1 and cf Dreams or Bio or simple retal bio 1vs1. Simains didn't had choice to stay in 1vs1. So its how work your ABS logic for fair play.

It pretty clearly isn't the same situation if neither kingdom had any intention of legitimately fighting. Stop spewing nonsense.

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