No. Winning the war is a war win. If you didn't win the war, then you lost. There's really no shame in losing (especially if you gained acres/honor) until you try to claim that it didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by twinkle
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No. Winning the war is a war win. If you didn't win the war, then you lost. There's really no shame in losing (especially if you gained acres/honor) until you try to claim that it didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by twinkle
Agreed with you, win is a win. But I would take my hat off to ED leadership for their brave action to surrender to debauchery, considering ED is the one challenging debauchery to war with them for their last age grudes?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Not much KD willing to surrender after they already posted like ED players in forum here and with such large land gain and total attacks in war. Although they can play dirty to turn around, but seem ED didn’t do so. So someone in ED must veto’ed the decision to surrender ;)
Well, good luck in both KD. It is always good to see old KD back kicking :) have fun guys.
raze kill ftw!Quote:
Originally Posted by twinkle
So, since ED is against lame tactics with regards to war, should people now raze ED for lamely withdrawing up acres?
just asking............
Withdrawding up acres is a lame tactic?
Being up acres does not mean a kingdom has won... looks like debauch really pulled a great game plan together after all that had happen. nice work..
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Originally Posted by Palem
Well, it places you in a location in the rankings that you don't belong making you food for someone else thus upsetting the balance of the game and ruining the competition for kingdoms up higher. It also flies in the face of competing as hard as you can.
You see, both of these are things that make land-dropping reviled........... ruining competition at the top and upsetting game balance and avoiding competition. So, it seems to me that ED is ripe for being razed.
finally some excuses have been offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverfox
so i can assume this ends the debate on what player needs to be more active, tm's or attackers... (the truth is that both need to be active). im just happy that ed finally saw the power of tm's...
I'm confused how taking acres away from a kd means you've less hard than they have or that the acres somehow don't belong to you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
Retal waaaaaar?
Lol after the first 3 days of war we had like 12 hybrids with totally ruined wpa/tpa ratios due to having doubled in size. On top of that all they could do was 12a bottomfeeds while being totally wrecked by 100% thieves / 100% mystics that sat on unchanged acres. Really a bad choice of strategy from our side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
Despite this tho, war continued for another 6 days and strippers never actually gained acres. We were the more active kd. If the honor mechanics didn't work like they did we would have kept the honor as well.
Strippers might have a setup that wins long wars, but they are a farm in short ones. And if we went for their T/Ms earlier instead of attackers it would have been game over for them.
Who is the other?Quote:
Originally Posted by Realest
Parth obvously
Epic war fellows
No, they lost you see when you withdraw they lose its simple as that.Quote:
From what I can see CLEARLY, ED won the war, despite all the disadvantages faced by ED.
Provide proof please (Stripper was a prov down as well) so ..Quote:
2) ED lost a province, due to strippers and their dirty dirty tricks. Calling in help from other kingdom to help them.
Are you stupid? If i hit you, repeatedly in the face I was bullied into hitting you cause last year we had a disagreement?Quote:
3) ED were bullied into the war this age due to strippers attitude last age
ED used to be a established kingdom then they disbanded, now they reappeared with the more or less same "core". So in essences Strippers is older than this new ED.Quote:
ED is an established kingdom over a decade (just google ED and you will see), whereas strippers is just a newly founded kingdom.
You mean like raze killing provinces just cause they dont like how they play?Quote:
But ED is an honourable and powerful kingdom who can't be bothered with thug ghetto kingdoms.
I am sure ED will not stoop to their low tricks and low level.
Nothing in your post was fair, you are just trying to brownnose ED as much as possible. Quite patethic actually.Quote:
Let me be the FAIR judge here. I am not from ED or strippers.
LMAOOO this made my day. The first line of the post just kills it everytimeQuote:
Originally Posted by lucas
I am just a on looker and belong to neither kingdom. I kept track of the war from the start till the end. Obviously, just from tr kingdom page, ED started the war with much more advantage . Stripper with 2 provinces killed and at lower NW. ED was the one who started the wave and not strippers. ED surrender because obviously they are losing. Instead of letting stripper farm out. Even a normal commoner will be able to differentiate the facts. As for the raze kill on ED when war happens: I got no comment because I won't know too. But definitely it would be even greater achievement for stripper if there is no external interference and result remained the same, I reckonQuote:
Originally Posted by lucas
I remember at start of war debauchery was about 7-8k acres smaller . They were also about 750k nw smaller which seemed to help level out their war win ratio .... At one point in the war ED was 1.6 mil nw larger and about 22-24k acres larger but I see that debauchery turned on the jets and everyday it seemed their acres were going up and up and up.... I don't think bounce waves would have worker when Ur offence core was probably under 50k offence as their unbreakables were 100-200k def? . The lower 100 range being smaller of the Elves Could of maybe done conquesting on the little Elfs who they massacred lol but halfers were way outta range . And as soon as u started tryin to conquest the acres would of leaned hard in debs favor lol
Lol oh yes, you were def more active. Acres = activity; words from the famous Utopian legends, ED.Quote:
Originally Posted by zmasternr1
What are you smoking 25k acres up? 1.6m larger?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cows
I think we were up 1,2m at most and maybe 10k acres.
Then we got an orc attacker oow killed. We wd because we lost the eco war. Each day we lost military and peasant. We realized we couldn't win and preferred to continue the age with big halfers.
I don't think debach could have forced a win against us with that setup.
Would have taken them weeks to grind us down and create unbreakables.
And if we lost acres the wpa tpa ratios would have eincreased again and situation changed.
Oh and yeah we razekilled a prov but that meant we had armies out and quite spread on top of that.
While debauch held button and waved us when we had armies out. Huge advantage there...also they pumped for 4 days while we razekilled.
The cost for this was one small elf. Which they evened out by asking for an oow kill
He is accurate, actually. You basically started at the finish-line, but ran backwards.
I love how you guys continually claim we pumped for 4 days, and that you suffered more losses from RKing the top honour/WPA elf we had at the time. No. Stop being so delusional, please, for the sanity of the community and yourselves. Look at the hostile report again if you have crusties in your eyes. You TMd top attackers with armies home, out of war build, killing massive elites. You massacred every elf (that wasn't killed) over 6 times. You plundered all the GC we had in EoWCF (which we would not care about as long as you didn't continue with 199 more hits afterwards). Also a fun fact: we did not blanket you..once. Our mistake, no doubt. As we did not want to give in to your strongarm, forcing an easy WW.
Lets take a look again, if you missed it in your fit of rage the first time:
Total attacks suffered: 225 (2,899 acres)
-- Traditional march: 26 (2,899 acres)
-- Raze: 137 (2,129 acres)
-- Massacre: 24 (29,383 population)
-- Plunder: 20
-- Learn: 16
-- Failed: 2 (0.9% failure)
-- Uniques: 147
Whilst this was all going on, we were pumping with our loads of GC..ya..that's what happened.
All razes and most of the trads were on the razekill elf.
The losses looks bigger because you explored him.
The plunders were made into eowcf for reduced efficiency and you had already trained.
We took maybe 300k/plunder. Hostile offense losses is just as bad as defensive ones.
The massacres sucked because of gb prot. Main chunk of the losses are peasant and spread on all elves it isnt that much/prov.
You guys exaggerate quite a lot. You won, we wd. Why exaggerate and change facts?
Because the warsummary gives people a better clue than what you painted up?
Wow ED, you should just let this thread die... Stop QQing with lame excuses and admit defeat, move on.
If you notice hardly any people from ED has been posting in here lately there is other people keeping this thread alive. But I guess reading is too much to ask :<Quote:
Originally Posted by r3born
I assume zmaster is in ED, no? If you read, he posted 3 of the previous 4 times before me....Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
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I didnt want to comment here.. but srsly... get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by zmasternr1
War is over, move on.
You keep coming back with excuses. Who cares who has an advantage or disadvantage pre-war. You wanted the war, you knew the situation getting yourself into the war, you lost based on these decisions.
Just accept IT MOVE ON.
The more you try to explain yourself and why you lost, the weaker you look giving excuses.
If i was leadership in ED, once the WD happened, i would have just banned any external posts regarding the war. Easiest PR move ever.
Nah I'm just an objective bystander:o
On a serious note, too much **** is being made up here.
Since no one from ED (save me) has posted it tend to get onesided.
I just post some facts straight.
/me snugs zmasQuote:
Originally Posted by zmasternr1
Clearly you're doing ED a disservice towards their image.Quote:
Originally Posted by zmasternr1
Yea, but if you look at the majority of the posts after the war is over :) So, you implying that this thread would die if it wasnt due to people from ED posting in here is false.Quote:
Originally Posted by r3born
Haha our image can't get that much worse can it.
As far as excuses, I don't make any. Since I'm blessed with a level of intellect that surpasses most of the people posting here I just give you my objective view of the situation before and during the war. This view is more than likely much more accurate than the ones especially debauchery players have made up.
I can admit I am a little annoyed we lost this war. Not because of our performance...we did some very big strategic mistakes.
More that we lost to a kd that was plainly less active an experienced:)
Is ED really looking for sympathy cause they had a terrible war plan ? I would say I am confused but this is nothing new from ED LOL.. I love how you guys think you were disadvantaged because you decided to plunder/tm into their war and raze kill one of their provinces before debauchary retalled at all! Imagine if they had retal warred u before war!! Imagine the QQ from ED haha You think plundering into an EoWcf gives 300k gc when a prov can hold 10+ million gc?? What are you smoking mann?? Honestly do yourself a favour and stop posting, your KD has little to no respect now after all your QQ and little to no fear from anyone now. You lost to a ghetto that you bullied into war, how pathetic is your kd. The acre difference was almost 20k acres (maybe more I dont remember exactly) so shut up about how u won acres.. you lost 10k acres in the last 3-4 days of war and your 2 fairies got absolutely raped..
Like this post if you want to see ED raze into Debauchary again this age.
"Now, ED could play dirty and raze strippers after the war, especially after the massive arces gained.
And see who has the last laugh." <--- Reread first 30 pages of this thread please nub
EDIT: zmaternr1 --- hahahahahahah superiour intellect HAHAHAHAHAHA
I agree. The grand reputation of ED speaks for itself. They have moved on, why can't you strippers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
You guys better not piss the utopia community, and get more raze kills throughout the age!
not sure if srs.Quote:
Originally Posted by zmasternr1
... more excuses... you never learn
because they beat a kd that was better than them and they need to rub it in :|Quote:
Originally Posted by lucas
Interesting war to watch, sad to see ED lose but hopefully they use this to adapt and stop trying to chain people into nothing, it doesn't work anymore.
though ED are 0/2 against Strippers... how is that 'better'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
How do you define 'better', just wondering, not trying to question you.
ED were arces and honour up this war, despite having a massive disadvantage of no in-coming land and 1 province lost due to cheating!Quote:
Originally Posted by alan03
You have to excuse us. We haven't played for some time and our ideas about wars are a little unfashioned. Back when we played a warwin was generally counted with acres.Quote:
Originally Posted by alan03
If the other kd refused to wd you simply wd with the acres to not lose time.
Since we were up 7.8k we thought we had won and wd to protect the acres and keep growing.
We had no "idea" we had lost until you guys were kind enough to point it out in the forums. Thanks for the lesson, we will keep it in mind next war.